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Germany's red carpet welcome faces first World Cup test
Earl Evleth wrote:
On 8/12/05 12:49, in article 1h7920s.v2zq151i6drs9N%this_address_is_for_spam@ya hoo.com, "David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy" wrote: The writer was confusing Paris with Berlin. I found Berliners very nice. It's not an effusive friendliness- and I found them quite laid back- which is not to say reserved. Could be. I never had a problem there either. Nor in Paris! That did get me curious, however, so I googled Berlin "poor service" and got 23,100 hits Paris "poor service = 137,000 hits London "poor service = 235,000 hits Rome "poor service = 87,000 hits New York"poor service = 268,000 hits So Berlin is low on this poor service test. Of course these google test are unreliable, but I don't know another course. Otherwise we are left with people's "ain't if awful" stories. However, this might simply be because less people go to Berlin than to New York and then talk about it in the Internet.. You'd have to google the opposite to get a balance. For what it's worth- Berlin "good service" 128,000 hits Paris "good service" 419,000 London "good service" 815,000 Rome "good service" 283,000 New York "good service" 940,000 Now, reducing that to percentages of total good and bad citations, we get- City %total good Berlin 85 Paris 75 London 78 Rome 76 New York 78 Berlin wins! (followed by New York) T. |
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Germany's red carpet welcome faces first World Cup test
"Jens Arne Maennig" kirjoitti ... It is? My German is modest, to say the least, and they were perfectly pleasant to me. It must have been a lucky day. Over 50% of my frequent visits to German restaurants and shops are leaving me a negative impression. This does not describe German restaurants nor shops but you. |
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Germany's red carpet welcome faces first World Cup test
george wrote:
Jens Arne Maennig wrote: It must have been a lucky day. Over 50% of my frequent visits to German restaurants and shops are leaving me a negative impression. I agree that Germany is not very service oriented, but on my frequent visits to German restaurants and shops very few leave me with a negative impression. I just don't go back to places with poor service if possible, and many places actually have excellent service. I have recently returned from two months in Germany, and had only one experience that was in any way negative. I think home is worse than that. -- Julie ********** Check out the blog of my 9 week Germany adventure at www.blurty.com/users/jholm Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm |
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Germany's red carpet welcome faces first World Cup test
"Jens Arne Maennig" skrev i meddelandet ... Des Small wrote: Earl Evleth writes: Germany's red carpet welcome faces first World Cup test Thu Dec 8, 2005 10:43 AM GMT By Philip Blenkinsop [...] Although Germans can be quite friendly and helpful to tourists, some observers have called the country a service desert. Well, not just observers. It's somthing very popular to complain about "Servicewüste Deutschland" among Germans themselves. Berlin, where the World Cup final will be played, is notorious for its surly, inattentive waiters and shopkeepers. Not just Berlin. It is? My German is modest, to say the least, and they were perfectly pleasant to me. It must have been a lucky day. Over 50% of my frequent visits to German restaurants and shops are leaving me a negative impression. Jens ---------------------------------------- As I can see from my travel log I've spend 154 days travelling in Germany. For natural reasons including at least one daily visit to a restaurant. I'm counting one bad experience so far (was in Mannheim ) rest have been good to excellent. Best in north Germany somewhat less than so in South but still very acceptable. Much worse than so have been in Italy with poor service or in Poland with cheating waiters. Rest of Europe o.k |
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Germany's red carpet welcome faces first World Cup test
Dunno... as I recall the retired German couple along the old Roman road
in Bedburg Hau I traversed looking for my old family manse; speaking no English they called the local waldmeister in to help me find the location. Coffee and Schnapps graciously offered to a stranger; of course, seemed the attitude... Then there was Mathias Claus and Family a few days later in Braunschweig opening their doors and hospitality to me; a 'virtual' stranger known only to them via e'mail... As to the 'service industry' itself I will recount the proprietor of the small Londghasthausen in the Hau who made up a room for me late in the evening (no reservations), soup and a sandwich before retiring long after the kitchen had closed, laying out a great breakfast buffet to send me on my way in the Morning... Then there was the busy sausage vendor in the Berlin Zoo HBF who took great pride (and the time) to catalog all his wares as I made my selection... not a single dirty look at this wide eyed and drooling tourist (smiles rather) from the others waiting at the busy kiosk; a spate of laughter as I compare the Eight Inch sausage to the provided Two inch bread roll... g Tim K "Martin" wrote in message ... On 08 Dec 2005 11:44:33 +0000, Des Small wrote: Earl Evleth writes: Germany's red carpet welcome faces first World Cup test Thu Dec 8, 2005 10:43 AM GMT By Philip Blenkinsop [...] Although Germans can be quite friendly and helpful to tourists, some observers have called the country a service desert. Berlin, where the World Cup final will be played, is notorious for its surly, inattentive waiters and shopkeepers. It is? My German is modest, to say the least, and they were perfectly pleasant to me. Why do people keep posting crap like this about Germans? -- Martin http://tinyurl.com/8x2pz |
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Germany's red carpet welcome faces first World Cup test
I agree
Dumb like the original poster, but all he wanted was attention and he got it, so nvm the facts. "David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy" a écrit dans le message de news: 1h796y0.v3ea8ftv5a5aN%this_address_is_for_spam@yah oo.com... Earl Evleth wrote: On 8/12/05 12:49, in article 1h7920s.v2zq151i6drs9N%this_address_is_for_spam@ya hoo.com, "David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy" wrote: The writer was confusing Paris with Berlin. I found Berliners very nice. It's not an effusive friendliness- and I found them quite laid back- which is not to say reserved. Could be. I never had a problem there either. Nor in Paris! That did get me curious, however, so I googled Berlin "poor service" and got 23,100 hits Paris "poor service = 137,000 hits London "poor service = 235,000 hits Rome "poor service = 87,000 hits New York"poor service = 268,000 hits So Berlin is low on this poor service test. Of course these google test are unreliable, but I don't know another course. It's not just unreliable- it's dumb. Paris "awful city" get's half the hits roughly that London "awful city" gets. So Paris must be half as awful, right? However, Paris "excellent city" also gets half the number, so it must be half as excellent, no? Or perhaps, just maybe, one city generates more hits _in general_. But, do go ahead, and use google hits as a test... (London "excellent food" gets more hits that Paris "excellent food" too, for the same reason.) -- David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer http://soundjunction.org |
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Germany's red carpet welcome faces first World Cup test
On 8/12/05 14:36, in article
1h796y0.v3ea8ftv5a5aN%this_address_is_for_spam@yah oo.com, "David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy" wrote: Earl Evleth wrote: Berlin "poor service" and got 23,100 hits Paris "poor service = 137,000 hits London "poor service = 235,000 hits Rome "poor service = 87,000 hits New York"poor service = 268,000 hits So Berlin is low on this poor service test. Of course these google test are unreliable, but I don't know another course. It's not just unreliable- it's dumb. But can you suggest something different? Paris "awful city" get's half the hits roughly that London "awful city" gets. So Paris must be half as awful, right? Not quite, the cities are of different sizes. Paris is fairly small. However, Paris "excellent city" also gets half the number, so it must be half as excellent, no? Or perhaps, just maybe, one city generates more hits _in general_. But, do go ahead, and use google hits as a test... (London "excellent food" gets more hits that Paris "excellent food" too, for the same reason.) Depends on how the question is asked. "good cooking" London beats Paris 41,100 to 33,200 But on French google, Paris gets 97,200 to London's 9,660 using "bonne cuisine". If we rephrase our service question and get harsher by using "terrible service" you get Berlin "Terrible service" and got 581 hits Paris "Terrible service = 378,000 hits London "Terrible service = 374,000 hits Rome "Terrible service = 356,000 hits New York"Terrible service = 409,000 hits` I would say that Berlin comes out ahead again. The other cities are about equal. One can use other words and I did, Now if we get upbeat Berlin "good service" and got 130,000 hits Paris "good service = 419,000 hits London "good service = 820,000 hits Rome "gpod service = 285,000 hits New York"good service = 969,000 hits` All this shows that my method is reliable in giving you whatever you want. Just fish around for a while to find it.` One might use a ratio of good/bad. But you know Berlin ain't that bad. |
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Germany's red carpet welcome faces first World Cup test
I didn't find an excess of surliness and bad attitudes in Berlin, for
that matter I didn't find attitudes and surliness in Paris to be especially bad. Now, Munich, OTOH, seemed to me to be the unfrendliest place in Europe - which makes sense if you consider what started there ): Even many Germans complain about Bavarians' bad attitudes. (of course there are exceptions, I'm speaking in very generalized terms) I also found bad attitudes in Brittany - but not of the same type. The Bretons, as a whole, seem to be France's rednecks, and seem to have a hostility to outsiders reminiscent of certain areas of North America such as the American Deep South and rural Quebec. (Of course, there are exceptions. ) |
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