The neo-religion on man made global warming is unadulterated Gorbage

The historical records are there, both in pre recorded history and
recorded history. America will just keep rolling along. I just gor a
bumper sticker, it says "EAT MY CARBON FOOTPRINT"
You have a pleasant day (snicker)

On 28 Mar 2007 10:24:59 -0700, wrote:

On Mar 28, 12:31 pm, abelard wrote:
On 28 Mar 2007 02:45:17 -0700, "Capitalist Pig"

wrote:
*-----

The proponents of global warming are being compnsated by politicians.
Proponants of global warming have jobs so it is in their best interest
to keep the hoax alive. The historical records are sufficient for me;
the warm period during the Medieval era permitted the culitvation of
grapes in England and Greenland. The Thames froze during the "Little
Ice Age" Sorry the record of climatic fluctuation is there in recorded
history. Response?

in view of the repeated raising of this chestnut i have now prepared
a section complete with illustrations to allow you to examine the
situation in more detail

http://www.abelard.org/briefings/ant...arming.php#med...

Why must you repost links to obsolete data?
You need to upgrade your site or are you
married to your idiocy?.

what are you babbling about now numbskull?


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On Mar 28, 8:57 am, abelard wrote:
On 28 Mar 2007 02:45:17 -0700, "Capitalist Pig"

wrote:
*-----

The proponents of global warming are being compnsated by politicians.
Proponants of global warming have jobs so it is in their best interest
to keep the hoax alive. The historical records are sufficient for me;

naturally....you're a fool who will look for any excuse to support
blackburn wanderers

the warm period during the Medieval era permitted the culitvation of
grapes in England and Greenland.

ah, it's got to greenland now...soon it'll be the n.pole

The Thames froze during the "Little
Ice Age"

Gore's Faith Is Bad Science

"Al Gore likes to present himself as a tribune of science, warning
the
world of imminent danger. But he is more like an Old Testament
prophet, calling on us to bewail our wrongful conduct and to go and
sin no more.

He starts off with the science. The world's climate, he reports, is
getting warmer. This accurate report is, however, not set in historic
context. World climate has grown warmer and cooler at various times
in
history. Climate change is not some unique historic event. It is the
way the world works.

Not this time, Gore says. What's different is that climate change
is
being driven by human activity -- to wit, increasing carbon
dioxide
emissions. Which means, he says, that we have to sharply reduce
those
emissions. But what the scientists tell us is that some
proportion of
climate change is caused by human activity and some proportion
by
natural causes -- and that they can only estimate what those
proportions are. The estimates they have produced have varied
sharply.
The climate change models that have been developed don't account
for
events of the recent past, much less predict with precision
events in
the future.

It is YOU that
haven't a clue....
why would i bother educating you when

You need to study before you can teach
1)you don't study
2)you vacant 'mind' is already made up.....

Two of a pair

.com
When Eric the Red led the Norwegian Vikings to Greenland in the late
900s, it was an ice-free farm country--grass for sheep and cattle,
open water for fishing, a livable climate--so good a colony that by
1100 there were 3,000 people living there. Then came the Ice Age. By
1400, average temperatures had declined by 2.7 degrees Fahrenheit, the
glaciers had crushed southward across the farmlands and harbors, and
the Vikings did not survive.

Such global temperature fluctuations are not surprising, for looking
back in history we see a regular pattern of warming and cooling. From
200 B.C. to A.D. 600 saw the Roman Warming period; from 600 to 900,
the cold period of the Dark Ages; from 900 to 1300 was the Medieval
warming period; and 1300 to 1850, the Little Ice Age.

During the 20th century the earth did indeed warm--by 1 degree
Fahrenheit. But a look at the data shows that within the century
temperatures varied with time: from 1900 to 1910 the world cooled;
from 1910 to 1940 it warmed; from 1940 to the late 1970s it cooled
again, and since then it has been warming. Today our climate is 1/20th
of a degree Fahrenheit warmer than it was in 2001.

i've given you a link....you can follow related items if you
wish to learn....
you could even move further afield.....

for the moment you're babbling from rank ignorance.....

You link is obsolete, ergo: useless

argument with idiots is for idiots...
i'm not interest in a battle of wits with an unarmed poster

It appears that you, abelard is as idiotic as he.
Since you are just as wrong.

- -
Befuddled Gore keeps blathering about
how the oceans are being heated by
global warming, instead of the warming
being created by the oceans, as the facts
clearly show.

On 28 Mar 2007 10:59:44 -0700, wrote:

On Mar 28, 8:57 am, abelard wrote:
On 28 Mar 2007 02:45:17 -0700, "Capitalist Pig"

wrote:
*-----

The proponents of global warming are being compnsated by politicians.
Proponants of global warming have jobs so it is in their best interest
to keep the hoax alive. The historical records are sufficient for me;

naturally....you're a fool who will look for any excuse to support
blackburn wanderers

the warm period during the Medieval era permitted the culitvation of
grapes in England and Greenland.

ah, it's got to greenland now...soon it'll be the n.pole

The Thames froze during the "Little
Ice Age"

Gore's Faith Is Bad Science

"Al Gore likes to present himself as a tribune of science, warning
the
world of imminent danger. But he is more like an Old Testament
prophet, calling on us to bewail our wrongful conduct and to go and
sin no more

your rhetoric and hangups with gore are of not the slightest interest
to me

He starts off with the science. The world's climate, he reports, is
getting warmer. This accurate report is, however, not set in historic
context. World climate has grown warmer and cooler at various times
in
history. Climate change is not some unique historic event. It is the
way the world works.

Not this time, Gore says. What's different is that climate change
is
being driven by human activity -- to wit, increasing carbon
dioxide
emissions. Which means, he says, that we have to sharply reduce
those
emissions. But what the scientists tell us is that some
proportion of
climate change is caused by human activity and some proportion
by
natural causes

yes....most of it

-- and that they can only estimate what those
proportions are. The estimates they have produced have varied
sharply.

they haven't....they aren't.....
but understanding and data is increasing rapidly....

The climate change models that have been developed don't account
for

climate models are of marginal relevance

events of the recent past, much less predict with precision
events in
the future.

nothing in this world can be predicted with 'precision'
all predictions are subjects to uncertainties...

the very notion of 'precision' is irrational

It is YOU that
haven't a clue....
why would i bother educating you when

You need to study before you can teach
1)you don't study
2)you vacant 'mind' is already made up.....

Two of a pair

s.com
When Eric the Red led the Norwegian Vikings to Greenland in the late
900s, it was an ice-free farm country--grass for sheep and cattle,
open water for fishing, a livable climate--so good a colony that by
1100 there were 3,000 people living there. Then came the Ice Age. By
1400, average temperatures had declined by 2.7 degrees Fahrenheit, the
glaciers had crushed southward across the farmlands and harbors, and
the Vikings did not survive.

Such global temperature fluctuations are not surprising, for looking
back in history we see a regular pattern of warming and cooling. From
200 B.C. to A.D. 600 saw the Roman Warming period; from 600 to 900,
the cold period of the Dark Ages; from 900 to 1300 was the Medieval
warming period; and 1300 to 1850, the Little Ice Age.

During the 20th century the earth did indeed warm--by 1 degree
Fahrenheit. But a look at the data shows that within the century
temperatures varied with time: from 1900 to 1910 the world cooled;
from 1910 to 1940 it warmed; from 1940 to the late 1970s it cooled
again, and since then it has been warming. Today our climate is 1/20th
of a degree Fahrenheit warmer than it was in 2001.

i have responded to your stories and you misconstruing of them

i've given you a link....you can follow related items if you
wish to learn....
you could even move further afield.....

for the moment you're babbling from rank ignorance.....

You link is obsolete, ergo: useless

you're a dullard
the link is fine

argument with idiots is for idiots...
i'm not interest in a battle of wits with an unarmed poster

It appears that you, abelard is as idiotic as he.
Since you are just as wrong.

like most all dullard...you make foolish claims you never can back up

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On Mar 28, 1:57 pm, abelard wrote:
On 28 Mar 2007 10:24:59 -0700, wrote:



On Mar 28, 12:31 pm, abelard wrote:
On 28 Mar 2007 02:45:17 -0700, "Capitalist Pig"

wrote:
*-----

The proponents of global warming are being compnsated by politicians.
Proponants of global warming have jobs so it is in their best interest
to keep the hoax alive. The historical records are sufficient for me;
the warm period during the Medieval era permitted the culitvation of
grapes in England and Greenland. The Thames froze during the "Little
Ice Age" Sorry the record of climatic fluctuation is there in recorded
history. Response?

in view of the repeated raising of this chestnut i have now prepared
a section complete with illustrations to allow you to examine the
situation in more detail

http://www.abelard.org/briefings/ant...arming.php#med...

Why must you repost links to obsolete data?
You need to upgrade your site or are you
married to your idiocy?.

what are you babbling about now numbskull?

Indeed, if you had ten times the brainpower you claim
it would only add up to one-half a brain.

The world's oceans are being heated by underwater
tectonic activity - underwater volcanic eruptions and
blisteringly hot magma seeping up from cracks in the
sea floor.

The heated ocean water creates high levels of CO2
that it sends aloft along with huge amounts of
moisture. That moisture becomes precipitation -
rain in the spring, summer, and fall, and snow in
the winter. Increased amounts of moisture in the
upper atmosphere equals increased amounts of
precipitation.

The hotter the oceans, the more water vapor sent
heavenward and the heavier the precipitation. This
explains the large number of record-breaking
rainfalls we've been seeing in the past couple of
years - with as noted above, areas of the United
States getting 20 inches of rain in a day or so.

As for that dreaded greenhouse gas, CO2,
atmospheric levels of which now exceed 400 parts
per million (ppm), it is important to note that
paleological records show that every time CO2
levels have exceeded 300 ppm there has been an
ice age. Every time - without exception.

The same records show that there have been
a series of ice ages over the past 5 million years,
naturally occurring every 100,000 years, with
about 90,000 years of glaciation followed by
about 12,000 years of interglacial climate.

The last ice age ended about 12,000 years ago.
Clearly we are in line for the next period of
glaciation. But more about that later.

Suffice it to say that unless Al Gore has
managed to repeal a demonstrated law of
nature, the iceman cometh.

The befuddled Gore keeps blathering about
how the oceans are being heated by global
warming, instead of the warming being created by
the oceans, as the facts clearly show.

On his Web site iceagenow.com, Robert W. Felix
provides the following information about ocean
warming as a result of hydrothermic activity under
the seas.

°°°° "A new type of volcano may be heating up the floor of
the western Pacific Ocean," says an article posted on
National Geographic News and on Yahoo. "Scientists
suspect the new volcanoes occur at cracks in tectonic
plates caused by stress as the plates slide past each
other. A group of small volcanoes called petit spot
volcanoes has been discovered far from the tectonic-
plate boundaries (like mid-oceanic ridges) that often
spawn volcanoes, earthquakes, and other geologic
activity.

"Geoscientist Naoto Hirano's team believes that the
source of these volcanoes is melted rock from the upper
mantle, which has been squeezed through cracks in the
tectonic plate above. This type of [activity produces] tiny
volcanoes, possibly now active, on the old, cold
subducting Pacific plate,' said Hirano from his office at
the Scripps Institution of Oceanography in La Jolla, CA.
'This petit spot volcano theory suggests that this type of
eruption can occur wherever the oceanic plate is flexed.
These small volcanoes may be widespread on ocean
floors where the mantle just under the crust is squeezed
out by tectonic forces when one plate moves under
another, the researchers explained.

"'Dubbed "petit spots," these new types of volcanoes are
difficult to spot using satellite technology. Specific
geophysical and sampling expeditions would have to be
carried out in order to locate them,' Hirano explained."

°°°° Scientists working in the southern Atlantic Ocean have
found a 407 degree centigrade hydrothermal vent, the
hottest yet known on an ocean floor. Expedition leader
Andrea Koschinsky of International University in Bremen,
Ge, and her team found the hydrothermal vent just south
of the equator on the Mid-Atlantic Ridge at a depth of
2,990 meters. The vent is located on the Mid-Atlantic
Ridge, where the African and South American continental
plates are moving apart at the relatively sedate rate of 3.2
centimeter a year. In the Pacific, by comparison, the
Pacific and Nazca plates are speeding apart at some 15
centimeter per year.

°°°° German-American researchers discovered more hydrothermal
activity at the Gakkel Ridge in the Arctic Ocean than anyone
ever imagined. The Gakkel ridge is a gigantic volcanic
mountain chain stretching beneath the Arctic Ocean. With its
deep valleys 5,500 meters beneath the sea surface and its
5,000 meter- high summits, Gakkel ridge is far mightier than
the Alps. Two research icebreakers, the USCGC Healy
from the United States and the German PFS
Polarstern, joined forces in the international expedition
AMORE (Arctic Mid-Ocean Ridge Expedition). In attendance
were scientists from the Max Planck Institute for Chemistry
and other international institutions.

The scientists had expected that the Gakkel ridge would
exhibit "anemic" magmatism. Instead, they found
"surprisingly strong magmatic activity in the west and the
east of the ridge and one of the strongest hydrothermal
activities ever seen at mid-ocean ridges." The Gakkel
ridge extends about 1,800 kilometers beneath the Arctic
Ocean from north of Greenland to Siberia, and is the
northernmost portion of the mid-ocean ridge system. To
their surprise, the researchers found high levels of
volcanic activity. Indeed, magmatism was "dramatically"
higher than expected.

Hydrothermal hot springs on the seafloor were also far
more abundant than predicted. "We expected this to be
an hydrothermally dead ridge, and almost every time
our water measurement instrument came up, they
showed evidence of hydrothermal activity, and once we
even 'saw' an active hot spring on the sea floor," said
Dr. Jonathan Snow, the leader of the research group
from the Max Planck Institute.

Remember, that "magmatism" is red hot magma
seeping up from the ocean floor. It's like putting a
burner under a pot of water.

In short, heated oceans are warming the globe
and setting up a scenario that includes among its
consequences more and increasingly violent
hurricanes, tornadoes, and blizzards.

In 1979, Genevieve Woillard, a pollen specialist in
France, concluded from detailed studies that the
shift from a warm, interglacial climate to ice age
conditions at the beginning of the last ice age, some
100,000 years ago, took "less than 20 years." Her
observations of the decline of European forests led
her to conclude we may be in a similar period of
rapid climatic change.

Research has shown that this 20-year period is one in
which Mother Nature wreaks havoc on humanity.

If the unchallenged results of the work of Woillard and
others who studied past ice ages are any indication of
the pace of glaciation, once it starts, the transition period
is a mere 20 years or so. And we may be well into that
20-year period now. Woillard estimated that the period
before that final 20 years - when the earth began
gearing up for an end to the interglacial period - could
be as long as 150 years and as short as 75 years."

According to Woillard's studies and those of other
paleological climate researchers, the transition between
interglacial and glacial periods is one of increasing
violence - more volcanic eruptions, storms,
earthquakes, and other natural disasters.

We are being bombarded with horror stories about how
the arctic regions are warming and the polar bears are
disappearing (actually their number numbers have
increased by some 20,000) but we are not informed by
Mr. Gore and his acolytes as to how a warming arctic
region can continue to send more and more record
breaking cold waves southward, creating the incredibly
frigid weather under which much of the northern U.S.
is shivering under.

If your refrigerator is running low on freon it will not
keep its contents cold. If the arctic is our refrigerator,
and the refrigerator is rapidly running out of coolant,
how can it create colder and colder weather fronts?

The mechanics here are simple. The earth is getting
warmer in some areas thanks to the heat being given
off by the seas - picture standing next to a pot of
boiling water - you'll feel the heat. Stand next to a
heated ocean and you'll feel the warmth. That melting
ice in part of the arctic regions is probably the result
of hydrothermal activity in the Gakkel Ridge under
the Arctic Ocean.

When that warm air coming north from the tropics
meets the frigid air coming south from the pole, it
creates violence. And the hotter the air from the south
and the colder the air from the north, the more violent
the collision will be. Tornadoes, violent storms, and
blizzards are some of the results.

This process feeds on itself. As the amount of
atmospheric moisture increases more precipitation is
sent poleward, resulting in more snowfall to build
heavier and heavier polar ice packs which fail to
decrease in summertime because the cloud cover
created by the moisture-laden air transported from
the tropics prevents any thawing.

As the ice packs grow deeper and heavier, more
magma is squeezed out and sent toward the equators,
creating more volcanic activity, which spews more and
more volcanic ash into the upper atmosphere, along
with enormous quantities of greenhouse gasses. This
results in greater and greater amounts of moisture-
laden clouds being sent poleward. And so on.

As the glaciation process continues, winters will get
longer and longer; that's colder air reaches farther and
farther toward the equator. Summers will get shorter
and shorter, and growing seasons will slowly vanish.

Areas previously blessed with temperate climates are
transformed into subarctic regions, and the
subtropics turn colder and colder.

And all this can happen in a matter of a very few
years. So few, that the world may very well learn that
the interglacial period has been replaced by the
glaciation process before the end of the next decade
- or even earlier.

On his Web site, Bob Felix cites facts ignored or lied
about by the global warming alarmists. He shows
that despite their claims that the worlds glaciers are
melting, fully 75 percent are actually growing.

In response to claims that oceans levels are rising
and threatening to drown New York City, he shows
they are actually falling.

Finally, what mankind faces now is not glaciation
burying cities under miles of ice - that's tens of
thousands of years away. In our immediate future
is the beginning of the process which starts with a
bang - that 20-year interim period I think the
record shows we are now experiencing. The
effects will be more or less immediate, and there
is nothing we can do to stop it. If I'm correct in all
of this, we'll know it over the next couple of years.

As for the current media fed hysteria, let me finish
with this: Vaclav Klaus, President of the Czech
Republic, told the publication "Hospodárské noviny,"
a Czech economics daily, that "Global warming is a
false myth and every serious person and scientist
says so. It is not fair to refer to the U.N. panel.
IPCC is not a scientific institution; it's a political
body, a sort of non-government organization of
green flavor.

"Other top-level politicians do not express their
global warming doubts because a whip of political
correctness strangles their voice."

- -
Political correctness is destroying Europe.

America will be the next down the PC tube
greased by academic idiots like Scott Erb,
Noam Chumpsky, Ward Churchill,
Hilly & Willy, Pelosi, & Algore too

On 28 Mar 2007 12:01:55 -0700, wrote:

On Mar 28, 1:57 pm, abelard wrote:
On 28 Mar 2007 10:24:59 -0700, wrote:



On Mar 28, 12:31 pm, abelard wrote:
On 28 Mar 2007 02:45:17 -0700, "Capitalist Pig"

wrote:
*-----

The proponents of global warming are being compnsated by politicians.
Proponants of global warming have jobs so it is in their best interest
to keep the hoax alive. The historical records are sufficient for me;
the warm period during the Medieval era permitted the culitvation of
grapes in England and Greenland. The Thames froze during the "Little
Ice Age" Sorry the record of climatic fluctuation is there in recorded
history. Response?

in view of the repeated raising of this chestnut i have now prepared
a section complete with illustrations to allow you to examine the
situation in more detail

http://www.abelard.org/briefings/ant...arming.php#med...

Why must you repost links to obsolete data?
You need to upgrade your site or are you
married to your idiocy?.

what are you babbling about now numbskull?

Indeed, if you had ten times the brainpower you claim
it would only add up to one-half a brain.

The world's oceans are being heated by underwater
tectonic activity -

no, it's a new type of giant deep sea crocodile thrashing around...
it's the friction that is heating the oceans

--
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energy, education, politics, etc 1,552,396 document calls in year past
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
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only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

aka " whined:

On Mar 28, 1:57 pm, abelard wrote:

On 28 Mar 2007 10:24:59 -0700, wrote:

On Mar 28, 12:31 pm, abelard wrote:
_____
in view of the repeated raising of this chestnut i have now prepared
a section complete with illustrations to allow you to examine the
situation in more detail

http://www.abelard.org/briefings/ant...dieval_warming

Why must you repost links to obsolete data?

Let's see, you're posting crapola, and mean utterly meritless
crapola that wouldn't pass a half-assed science publication,
and *YOU* are complaining about someone's "data" being "obsolete"?

*LOL!* YOu'[re acting like an idiot. Oh, it's not an act?

You need to upgrade your site or are you
married to your idiocy?.

what are you babbling about now numbskull?

Indeed, if you had ten times the brainpower[..]

Why do you keep quoting from newsmax, you science-illiterate?

--And why'd you change your alias too?

On Mar 28, 3:14 pm, abelard wrote:
On 28 Mar 2007 12:01:55 -0700, wrote:
On Mar 28, 1:57 pm, abelard wrote:
On 28 Mar 2007 10:24:59 -0700, wrote:

On Mar 28, 12:31 pm, abelard wrote:
On 28 Mar 2007 02:45:17 -0700, "Capitalist Pig"

wrote:
*-----
The proponents of global warming are being compnsated by politicians.
Proponants of global warming have jobs so it is in their best interest
to keep the hoax alive. The historical records are sufficient for me;
the warm period during the Medieval era permitted the culitvation of
grapes in England and Greenland. The Thames froze during the "Little
Ice Age" Sorry the record of climatic fluctuation is there in recorded
history. Response?

in view of the repeated raising of this chestnut i have now prepared
a section complete with illustrations to allow you to examine the
situation in more detail

http://www.abelard.org/briefings/ant...arming.php#med...

Why must you repost links to obsolete data?
You need to upgrade your site or are you
married to your idiocy?.

what are you babbling about now numbskull?

Indeed, if you had ten times the brainpower you claim
it would only add up to one-half a brain.

The world's oceans are being heated by underwater
tectonic activity -

no, it's a new type of giant deep sea crocodile thrashing around...
it's the friction that is heating the oceans

ROFLMAO
That is par for your ignorance, the trouble is
that there are some fools here that might
believe it.