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Old June 8th, 2012, 04:48 PM posted to rec.travel.europe
Go Fig
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Default Breaking the camel's (Germany) back...

As Germany moves to raise retirement... France is lowering the age..

.....Benjamin Franklin, it is widely accepted that he once said “When
the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the
end of the republic.”

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-w...etirement-age/

For some, French retirement age goes down, not up

PARIS — France's new Socialist government moved Wednesday to lower the
retirement age from 62 to 60 years old for certain workers, bucking a
global trend in a gesture to unions that critics say is a costly
mistake.

Governments from North America to Europe have been pushing retirement
ages higher and higher in recent decades, as people live longer and
spend more years on state-sponsored pension checks.

New French President Francois Hollande, who won election last month on
a wave of voter anger at austerity measures, proved Wednesday that his
leftist campaign rhetoric was not just bluster.

Raising France's legal retirement age was one of conservative former
President Nicolas Sarkozy's key reforms, aimed at reducing heavy
government debts as Europe sunk into a continent-wide financial
crisis. The reform met huge, nationwide protests – yet many economists
said it didn't push the retirement age high enough.

The minimum retirement age went from 60 to 62, and the age to receive
a full pension regardless of how many years you pay into the system
went from 65 to 67.

On Wednesday, Hollande's government presented a draft decree at a
Cabinet meeting that reverses the retirement age to 60 for those who
enter the workforce at 18 or 19 years old and have contributed long
enough to the pension system. The right to retire at 60 was seen as a
pillar of France's social benefit system for decades.

The government said the decree, affecting about one in six retiring
workers, will be finalized later this month and take effect in
November.

The decree also slightly eases pension requirements for mothers,
noting "the impact of motherhood on women's careers," and for people
who suffer workplace accidents.

The hard-left CGT union hailed the move as a "striking decision that
breaks with policies everywhere in Europe."

The government says the costs – estimated at (EURO)1.1 billion ($1.37
billion) next year – will be financed by a small rise in payroll
charges paid by employers and employees. The government did not
release a global cost for the measure.

Social Affairs Minister Marisol Touraine said the decree is a "choice
for justice." Critics in France's powerful unions said Sarkozy's
reform had unfairly punished low-income, unskilled workers.

Sarkozy and his allies argued that French workers had it too good,
while busy workers in places like China and India are propelling their
economies ahead.

France's leading business lobby, MEDEF, criticized the Hollande
government's decree as "worrying for the financial future of the
pension systems and for the competitiveness of businesses."
Conservative politicians denounced it as short-sighted.

The Socialist Cabinet is making the change by decree, amending an
existing decree on workers who serve especially long careers, instead
of via a law, which would need approval by the lower house of
parliament, currently dominated by conservatives.

France is holding parliamentary elections starting Sunday, and
Hollande needs to secure a leftist majority to accomplish much of what
he pledged on the campaign trail.

His push to lower the retirement age goes against demography: People
in France live longer than almost anyone else in the world, with a
growing life expectancy of 85 years for women and 78 for men.

And it goes against the global tide.

The full retirement age in the United States is being gradually raised
from 65 to 67. Germany recently raised the legal retirement age for
most people to 65 for women and 67 for men.

In Italy, a few years ago some workers could retire as young as 50,
but new austerity measures under Premier Mario Monti put an end to
that. The retirement age was raised from 65 to 66 for men, starting
this year. For women, it was raised from 60 to 66, starting in 2018.

Three decades ago, France's retirement age, at 65, was among the
highest in Europe. In 1982, late Socialist President Francois
Mitterrand lowered it to 60.

___

Angela Charlton in Paris, Juergen Baetz in Berlin and Frances D'Emilio
in Rome contributed to this report.
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Old June 8th, 2012, 07:59 PM posted to rec.travel.europe
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Default Breaking the camel's (Germany) back...

Yes, so what and the relation with travelling ?


"Go Fig" a écrit dans le message de groupe de discussion :
...
As Germany moves to raise retirement... France is lowering the age..

....Benjamin Franklin, it is widely accepted that he once said “When
the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the
end of the republic.”

------
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-w...etirement-age/

For some, French retirement age goes down, not up

PARIS — France's new Socialist government moved Wednesday to lower the
retirement age from 62 to 60 years old for certain workers, bucking a
global trend in a gesture to unions that critics say is a costly
mistake.

Governments from North America to Europe have been pushing retirement
ages higher and higher in recent decades, as people live longer and
spend more years on state-sponsored pension checks.

New French President Francois Hollande, who won election last month on
a wave of voter anger at austerity measures, proved Wednesday that his
leftist campaign rhetoric was not just bluster.

Raising France's legal retirement age was one of conservative former
President Nicolas Sarkozy's key reforms, aimed at reducing heavy
government debts as Europe sunk into a continent-wide financial
crisis. The reform met huge, nationwide protests – yet many economists
said it didn't push the retirement age high enough.

The minimum retirement age went from 60 to 62, and the age to receive
a full pension regardless of how many years you pay into the system
went from 65 to 67.

On Wednesday, Hollande's government presented a draft decree at a
Cabinet meeting that reverses the retirement age to 60 for those who
enter the workforce at 18 or 19 years old and have contributed long
enough to the pension system. The right to retire at 60 was seen as a
pillar of France's social benefit system for decades.

The government said the decree, affecting about one in six retiring
workers, will be finalized later this month and take effect in
November.

The decree also slightly eases pension requirements for mothers,
noting "the impact of motherhood on women's careers," and for people
who suffer workplace accidents.

The hard-left CGT union hailed the move as a "striking decision that
breaks with policies everywhere in Europe."

The government says the costs – estimated at (EURO)1.1 billion ($1.37
billion) next year – will be financed by a small rise in payroll
charges paid by employers and employees. The government did not
release a global cost for the measure.

Social Affairs Minister Marisol Touraine said the decree is a "choice
for justice." Critics in France's powerful unions said Sarkozy's
reform had unfairly punished low-income, unskilled workers.

Sarkozy and his allies argued that French workers had it too good,
while busy workers in places like China and India are propelling their
economies ahead.

France's leading business lobby, MEDEF, criticized the Hollande
government's decree as "worrying for the financial future of the
pension systems and for the competitiveness of businesses."
Conservative politicians denounced it as short-sighted.

The Socialist Cabinet is making the change by decree, amending an
existing decree on workers who serve especially long careers, instead
of via a law, which would need approval by the lower house of
parliament, currently dominated by conservatives.

France is holding parliamentary elections starting Sunday, and
Hollande needs to secure a leftist majority to accomplish much of what
he pledged on the campaign trail.

His push to lower the retirement age goes against demography: People
in France live longer than almost anyone else in the world, with a
growing life expectancy of 85 years for women and 78 for men.

And it goes against the global tide.

The full retirement age in the United States is being gradually raised
from 65 to 67. Germany recently raised the legal retirement age for
most people to 65 for women and 67 for men.

In Italy, a few years ago some workers could retire as young as 50,
but new austerity measures under Premier Mario Monti put an end to
that. The retirement age was raised from 65 to 66 for men, starting
this year. For women, it was raised from 60 to 66, starting in 2018.

Three decades ago, France's retirement age, at 65, was among the
highest in Europe. In 1982, late Socialist President Francois
Mitterrand lowered it to 60.

___

Angela Charlton in Paris, Juergen Baetz in Berlin and Frances D'Emilio
in Rome contributed to this report.


 




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