BA flies 747 on 3 engines LAX-UK - New EU comp rules

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

"Capt 'Wild' Bill Kelso, USAAC"
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

"Capt 'Wild' Bill Kelso, USAAC"
:

nobody wrote:

"Dave C." wrote:
OK, how would YOU describe it when (not if) both wings stall due
to all engines starved for fuel? At that point, an airliner
pretty much flies as well as a rock.

There have been a few instances of aircraft running out of fuel at
altitude:

Gimli Glider (landed lafely)
Ethiopian 767 (landed near beach in ocean, many survivors)
Air Transat 330 (ran out of fuel over atlantic, landed at Azores)

And as mentioned in another post, the BA 747 that had all engines
shut off due to volcanic ash, and it glided long enough for
aircraft to get out of cloud and with sufficient speed for them to
be able to restart engines.

In all instances, the planes were in controlled flight with
minimal instruments still functional despite having no engines.

One question that was not asked for this particular incident:

Knowing that they had an engine out, would they have changed the
route to one that is more "ETOPS" with shorter distances between
usable landing strips ?

Or is the route from LAX to LHR sufficiently dotted with airports
that it isn't a worry ? (I think that Winnipeg-Iqaluit may be the
longest stretch). After that, it is island hopping to Greenland,
Iceland, Ireland, England.

Dont forget the Delta 767 crew that - intentionally - shutdown both
engines mistakedly following an abnormal procedure. They shut off
the fuel to both engines when they were supposed to shut off the
computers for both engines. Since that debacle, Boeing MOVED the
switches the guys were supposed to turn off
from the pedestal to the overhead panel. When we get newbies in
Training, we
refer to those switches as the Delta switches.


?? these, presumably, are the 767 equivelant of the EECs?

Bertei

yep.. I think its EECs on the -67 too, EEC's and ELCs' on some of our
-57's which are a mix of Republic, EA and our own.



. Yeah, pretty much standard RR protection, bu tI haven't even doen the
gound bits for th e76 yet. I'm hoping to dodge the bullet there and go back
to my old machine before that becomes neccesary!

yeah, wish we had the 76's as we start etops for HNL April. waiting to see if
AL tanks. We lost out when ATA went to WN. ****in boeing screwed us on the
leases. And they wonder why we're orderin so many 'buses!




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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

"Capt 'Wild' Bill Kelso, USAAC"
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

"Capt 'Wild' Bill Kelso, USAAC"
:

nobody wrote:

"Dave C." wrote:
OK, how would YOU describe it when (not if) both wings stall due
to all engines starved for fuel? At that point, an airliner
pretty much flies as well as a rock.

There have been a few instances of aircraft running out of fuel at
altitude:

Gimli Glider (landed lafely)
Ethiopian 767 (landed near beach in ocean, many survivors)
Air Transat 330 (ran out of fuel over atlantic, landed at Azores)

And as mentioned in another post, the BA 747 that had all engines
shut off due to volcanic ash, and it glided long enough for
aircraft to get out of cloud and with sufficient speed for them to
be able to restart engines.

In all instances, the planes were in controlled flight with
minimal instruments still functional despite having no engines.

One question that was not asked for this particular incident:

Knowing that they had an engine out, would they have changed the
route to one that is more "ETOPS" with shorter distances between
usable landing strips ?

Or is the route from LAX to LHR sufficiently dotted with airports
that it isn't a worry ? (I think that Winnipeg-Iqaluit may be the
longest stretch). After that, it is island hopping to Greenland,
Iceland, Ireland, England.

Dont forget the Delta 767 crew that - intentionally - shutdown both
engines mistakedly following an abnormal procedure. They shut off
the fuel to both engines when they were supposed to shut off the
computers for both engines. Since that debacle, Boeing MOVED the
switches the guys were supposed to turn off
from the pedestal to the overhead panel. When we get newbies in
Training, we
refer to those switches as the Delta switches.


?? these, presumably, are the 767 equivelant of the EECs?

Bertei

yep.. I think its EECs on the -67 too, EEC's and ELCs' on some of our
-57's which are a mix of Republic, EA and our own.



. Yeah, pretty much standard RR protection, bu tI haven't even doen the
gound bits for th e76 yet. I'm hoping to dodge the bullet there and go back
to my old machine before that becomes neccesary!

yeah, wish we had the 76's as we start etops for HNL April. waiting to see if
AL tanks. We lost out when ATA went to WN. ****in boeing screwed us on the
leases. And they wonder why we're orderin so many 'buses!




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"Capt 'Wild' Bill Kelso, USAAC"
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

"Capt 'Wild' Bill Kelso, USAAC"
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

"Capt 'Wild' Bill Kelso, USAAC"
:

nobody wrote:

"Dave C." wrote:
OK, how would YOU describe it when (not if) both wings stall
due to all engines starved for fuel? At that point, an
airliner pretty much flies as well as a rock.

There have been a few instances of aircraft running out of fuel
at altitude:

Gimli Glider (landed lafely)
Ethiopian 767 (landed near beach in ocean, many survivors)
Air Transat 330 (ran out of fuel over atlantic, landed at
Azores)

And as mentioned in another post, the BA 747 that had all
engines shut off due to volcanic ash, and it glided long enough
for aircraft to get out of cloud and with sufficient speed for
them to be able to restart engines.

In all instances, the planes were in controlled flight with
minimal instruments still functional despite having no engines.

One question that was not asked for this particular incident:

Knowing that they had an engine out, would they have changed
the route to one that is more "ETOPS" with shorter distances
between usable landing strips ?

Or is the route from LAX to LHR sufficiently dotted with
airports that it isn't a worry ? (I think that Winnipeg-Iqaluit
may be the longest stretch). After that, it is island hopping
to Greenland, Iceland, Ireland, England.

Dont forget the Delta 767 crew that - intentionally - shutdown
both engines mistakedly following an abnormal procedure. They
shut off the fuel to both engines when they were supposed to
shut off the computers for both engines. Since that debacle,
Boeing MOVED the switches the guys were supposed to turn off
from the pedestal to the overhead panel. When we get newbies
in Training, we
refer to those switches as the Delta switches.


?? these, presumably, are the 767 equivelant of the EECs?

Bertei

yep.. I think its EECs on the -67 too, EEC's and ELCs' on some of
our -57's which are a mix of Republic, EA and our own.



. Yeah, pretty much standard RR protection, bu tI haven't even doen
the gound bits for th e76 yet. I'm hoping to dodge the bullet there
and go back to my old machine before that becomes neccesary!

yeah, wish we had the 76's as we start etops for HNL April. waiting
to see if AL tanks. We lost out when ATA went to WN. ****in boeing
screwed us on the leases. And they wonder why we're orderin so many
'buses!


Well, seeing as how it's just the same as the contraption i'm flying except
that the magenta line is a lot longer, I think I'll live without it
somehow!


Bertie

"Capt. 'Wild' Bill Kelso, USAAC"
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

"Capt 'Wild' Bill Kelso, USAAC"
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

"Capt 'Wild' Bill Kelso, USAAC"
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

"Capt 'Wild' Bill Kelso, USAAC"
:

nobody wrote:

"Dave C." wrote:
OK, how would YOU describe it when (not if) both wings
stall due to all engines starved for fuel? At that point,
an airliner pretty much flies as well as a rock.

There have been a few instances of aircraft running out of
fuel at altitude:

Gimli Glider (landed lafely)
Ethiopian 767 (landed near beach in ocean, many survivors)
Air Transat 330 (ran out of fuel over atlantic, landed at
Azores)

And as mentioned in another post, the BA 747 that had all
engines shut off due to volcanic ash, and it glided long
enough for aircraft to get out of cloud and with sufficient
speed for them to be able to restart engines.

In all instances, the planes were in controlled flight with
minimal instruments still functional despite having no
engines.

One question that was not asked for this particular
incident:

Knowing that they had an engine out, would they have changed
the route to one that is more "ETOPS" with shorter distances
between usable landing strips ?

Or is the route from LAX to LHR sufficiently dotted with
airports that it isn't a worry ? (I think that
Winnipeg-Iqaluit may be the longest stretch). After that, it
is island hopping to Greenland, Iceland, Ireland, England.

Dont forget the Delta 767 crew that - intentionally -
shutdown both engines mistakedly following an abnormal
procedure. They shut off the fuel to both engines when they
were supposed to shut off the computers for both engines.
Since that debacle, Boeing MOVED the switches the guys were
supposed to turn off
from the pedestal to the overhead panel. When we get
newbies in Training, we
refer to those switches as the Delta switches.


?? these, presumably, are the 767 equivelant of the EECs?

Bertei

yep.. I think its EECs on the -67 too, EEC's and ELCs' on some
of our -57's which are a mix of Republic, EA and our own.



. Yeah, pretty much standard RR protection, bu tI haven't even
doen the gound bits for th e76 yet. I'm hoping to dodge the bullet
there and go back to my old machine before that becomes neccesary!

yeah, wish we had the 76's as we start etops for HNL April.
waiting to see if AL tanks. We lost out when ATA went to WN.
****in boeing screwed us on the leases. And they wonder why we're
orderin so many 'buses!


Well, seeing as how it's just the same as the contraption i'm flying
except that the magenta line is a lot longer, I think I'll live
without it somehow!

Bertie

me too, gonna be a long time before I go over to the dark side, (FIFI
the 'lectric jet)


No, I mean I'm avoiding the 767 and long haul.


Bertie

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

"Capt 'Wild' Bill Kelso, USAAC"
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

"Capt 'Wild' Bill Kelso, USAAC"
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

"Capt 'Wild' Bill Kelso, USAAC"
:

nobody wrote:

"Dave C." wrote:
OK, how would YOU describe it when (not if) both wings stall
due to all engines starved for fuel? At that point, an
airliner pretty much flies as well as a rock.

There have been a few instances of aircraft running out of fuel
at altitude:

Gimli Glider (landed lafely)
Ethiopian 767 (landed near beach in ocean, many survivors)
Air Transat 330 (ran out of fuel over atlantic, landed at
Azores)

And as mentioned in another post, the BA 747 that had all
engines shut off due to volcanic ash, and it glided long enough
for aircraft to get out of cloud and with sufficient speed for
them to be able to restart engines.

In all instances, the planes were in controlled flight with
minimal instruments still functional despite having no engines.

One question that was not asked for this particular incident:

Knowing that they had an engine out, would they have changed
the route to one that is more "ETOPS" with shorter distances
between usable landing strips ?

Or is the route from LAX to LHR sufficiently dotted with
airports that it isn't a worry ? (I think that Winnipeg-Iqaluit
may be the longest stretch). After that, it is island hopping
to Greenland, Iceland, Ireland, England.

Dont forget the Delta 767 crew that - intentionally - shutdown
both engines mistakedly following an abnormal procedure. They
shut off the fuel to both engines when they were supposed to
shut off the computers for both engines. Since that debacle,
Boeing MOVED the switches the guys were supposed to turn off
from the pedestal to the overhead panel. When we get newbies
in Training, we
refer to those switches as the Delta switches.


?? these, presumably, are the 767 equivelant of the EECs?

Bertei

yep.. I think its EECs on the -67 too, EEC's and ELCs' on some of
our -57's which are a mix of Republic, EA and our own.



. Yeah, pretty much standard RR protection, bu tI haven't even doen
the gound bits for th e76 yet. I'm hoping to dodge the bullet there
and go back to my old machine before that becomes neccesary!

yeah, wish we had the 76's as we start etops for HNL April. waiting
to see if AL tanks. We lost out when ATA went to WN. ****in boeing
screwed us on the leases. And they wonder why we're orderin so many
'buses!


Well, seeing as how it's just the same as the contraption i'm flying except
that the magenta line is a lot longer, I think I'll live without it
somehow!

Bertie

me too, gonna be a long time before I go over to the dark side, (FIFI the
'lectric jet)


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The beatings will continue until morale improves.

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

"Capt 'Wild' Bill Kelso, USAAC"
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

"Capt 'Wild' Bill Kelso, USAAC"
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

"Capt 'Wild' Bill Kelso, USAAC"
:

nobody wrote:

"Dave C." wrote:
OK, how would YOU describe it when (not if) both wings stall
due to all engines starved for fuel? At that point, an
airliner pretty much flies as well as a rock.

There have been a few instances of aircraft running out of fuel
at altitude:

Gimli Glider (landed lafely)
Ethiopian 767 (landed near beach in ocean, many survivors)
Air Transat 330 (ran out of fuel over atlantic, landed at
Azores)

And as mentioned in another post, the BA 747 that had all
engines shut off due to volcanic ash, and it glided long enough
for aircraft to get out of cloud and with sufficient speed for
them to be able to restart engines.

In all instances, the planes were in controlled flight with
minimal instruments still functional despite having no engines.

One question that was not asked for this particular incident:

Knowing that they had an engine out, would they have changed
the route to one that is more "ETOPS" with shorter distances
between usable landing strips ?

Or is the route from LAX to LHR sufficiently dotted with
airports that it isn't a worry ? (I think that Winnipeg-Iqaluit
may be the longest stretch). After that, it is island hopping
to Greenland, Iceland, Ireland, England.

Dont forget the Delta 767 crew that - intentionally - shutdown
both engines mistakedly following an abnormal procedure. They
shut off the fuel to both engines when they were supposed to
shut off the computers for both engines. Since that debacle,
Boeing MOVED the switches the guys were supposed to turn off
from the pedestal to the overhead panel. When we get newbies
in Training, we
refer to those switches as the Delta switches.


?? these, presumably, are the 767 equivelant of the EECs?

Bertei

yep.. I think its EECs on the -67 too, EEC's and ELCs' on some of
our -57's which are a mix of Republic, EA and our own.



. Yeah, pretty much standard RR protection, bu tI haven't even doen
the gound bits for th e76 yet. I'm hoping to dodge the bullet there
and go back to my old machine before that becomes neccesary!

yeah, wish we had the 76's as we start etops for HNL April. waiting
to see if AL tanks. We lost out when ATA went to WN. ****in boeing
screwed us on the leases. And they wonder why we're orderin so many
'buses!


Well, seeing as how it's just the same as the contraption i'm flying except
that the magenta line is a lot longer, I think I'll live without it
somehow!

Bertie

me too, gonna be a long time before I go over to the dark side, (FIFI the
'lectric jet)


-------------------------------------------------------
The beatings will continue until morale improves.

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

"Capt. 'Wild' Bill Kelso, USAAC"
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

"Capt 'Wild' Bill Kelso, USAAC"
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

"Capt 'Wild' Bill Kelso, USAAC"
:

Bertie the Bunyip wrote:

"Capt 'Wild' Bill Kelso, USAAC"
:

nobody wrote:

"Dave C." wrote:
OK, how would YOU describe it when (not if) both wings
stall due to all engines starved for fuel? At that point,
an airliner pretty much flies as well as a rock.

There have been a few instances of aircraft running out of
fuel at altitude:

Gimli Glider (landed lafely)
Ethiopian 767 (landed near beach in ocean, many survivors)
Air Transat 330 (ran out of fuel over atlantic, landed at
Azores)

And as mentioned in another post, the BA 747 that had all
engines shut off due to volcanic ash, and it glided long
enough for aircraft to get out of cloud and with sufficient
speed for them to be able to restart engines.

In all instances, the planes were in controlled flight with
minimal instruments still functional despite having no
engines.

One question that was not asked for this particular
incident:

Knowing that they had an engine out, would they have changed
the route to one that is more "ETOPS" with shorter distances
between usable landing strips ?

Or is the route from LAX to LHR sufficiently dotted with
airports that it isn't a worry ? (I think that
Winnipeg-Iqaluit may be the longest stretch). After that, it
is island hopping to Greenland, Iceland, Ireland, England.

Dont forget the Delta 767 crew that - intentionally -
shutdown both engines mistakedly following an abnormal
procedure. They shut off the fuel to both engines when they
were supposed to shut off the computers for both engines.
Since that debacle, Boeing MOVED the switches the guys were
supposed to turn off
from the pedestal to the overhead panel. When we get
newbies in Training, we
refer to those switches as the Delta switches.


?? these, presumably, are the 767 equivelant of the EECs?

Bertei

yep.. I think its EECs on the -67 too, EEC's and ELCs' on some
of our -57's which are a mix of Republic, EA and our own.



. Yeah, pretty much standard RR protection, bu tI haven't even
doen the gound bits for th e76 yet. I'm hoping to dodge the bullet
there and go back to my old machine before that becomes neccesary!

yeah, wish we had the 76's as we start etops for HNL April.
waiting to see if AL tanks. We lost out when ATA went to WN.
****in boeing screwed us on the leases. And they wonder why we're
orderin so many 'buses!


Well, seeing as how it's just the same as the contraption i'm flying
except that the magenta line is a lot longer, I think I'll live
without it somehow!

Bertie

me too, gonna be a long time before I go over to the dark side, (FIFI
the 'lectric jet)


No, I mean I'm avoiding the 767 and long haul.

Bertie

everytime we pass Hawaiian going north on Charlie we comment, "Hey, we'd look
good sittin in that..." Had a UAL 75 crew ride with us in the hotel van
yesterday.. we were all talkin about pay scales... now we're finally making
what UAL is... but only cause their cuts...


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The beatings will continue until morale improves.