Best state to visit in the USA

cynara wrote:

mtravelkay wrote in message .com...

Miss L. Toe wrote:


"Jimbo Minn" wrote in message
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What state do you think is the best to visit in the United States? Our
states are like countries in Europe.



Guantanemo - reminds me of Nazi germany.



Ummmm--IS Guantanemo one of the States anyway? Cuba--right?

I was thinking that since it was Miss L. Toe said Guatanemo, then she
must have known it wasn't in a US state.


Hawaii's cool but I'm slightly prejudiced. I grew up there and hey!
It's the only state that was a monarchy before it was a territory then
state.

Of course the colonies were part of a monarchy.

On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 16:44:33 +0000, mtravelkay wrote:

Miss L. Toe wrote:
There was more to Nazi Germany (or I should probably say less) than the
Holocaust.


Yes, there was more, but I thought you were comparing prison camps.
At Gitmo, prisoners have sufficient food, housing, clothing, and medical
care provided. They also have the freedom to practice their religion
with the muslim chaplains provided. Yes, it is still a prison, but a
bit different than where Nazi's put their Jewish "guests".

Most German prison camp treated war prisoners quite decently actually. And
in that case, their war prisoner status was unambiguous.

The Guantanamo camps are probably best described technically as
concentration camps, like the Japanese internment camps in WWII, some
camps in south Africa during the boers war, and the like.

German "concentration camps" in WWII were more like death camps.

Still, especially after the grotesquely illegal invasion of the sovereign
state of Iraq, the US has no moral status to hold prisoners kidnapped from
a foreign land. They are no longer any better morally than Al Qaida.

To put things in perspective: surely more civilians have been killed by
the US in Iraq than in 9/11?

devil wrote:


Still, especially after the grotesquely illegal invasion of the sovereign
state of Iraq, the US has no moral status to hold prisoners kidnapped from
a foreign land. They are no longer any better morally than Al Qaida.

To put things in perspective: surely more civilians have been killed by
the US in Iraq than in 9/11?

One import difference. Civilians were the target on 9/11.

Cisco rogue employee, troll/netkook Michael Voight mtravelkay
trolled:


Miss L. Toe wrote:
"mtravelkay" wrote in message
om...

Miss L. Toe wrote:

There was more to Nazi Germany (or I should probably say less) than

the

Holocaust.


Yes, there was more, but I thought you were comparing prison camps.
At Gitmo, prisoners have sufficient food, housing, clothing, and medical
care provided. They also have the freedom to practice their religion
with the muslim chaplains provided. Yes, it is still a prison, but a
bit different than where Nazi's put their Jewish "guests".




But has there been anything worse than Gitmo since WWII ?

Yes....
Have you ever heard of the Hanoi Hilton?

Have you ever heard of CISCO??? You know, the company you're supposed to be
WORKING for instead of engaging in these retarded ****ing contests on the
internet during WORKING HOURS???

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Keep those complaints to Cisco coming, folks! It's working!

About Rogue Cisco Employee Michael "mrtravelkay" Voight,
a.k.a. the "mrtravel" Netkook Troll/Usenet Flooder

***WARNING: THIS IDIOT HAS BEEN CAUGHT FORGING PEOPLE'S IDENTITIES ON USENET
AND CANCELLING THEIR POSTS.***

"mrtavelkay" is the latest usenet handle of a brainless troll whose real name is
Michael Voight, email .

He is better known by his previous stupid handle, "mrtravel".

The idiot works for Cisco in San Jose and apparently they don't
keep him busy enough so he has to troll usenet when he isn't
looking for foreign brides to marry in exchange for money
in alt.visa.us.marriage-based and alt.personals.big-folks, or trying
to pick up minors in alt.personals.teens or any of the number of creepy
newsgroups he frequents. Some of his other trolling aliases are Network
Guy, , sleepydoc , jlhunt
, and Lost 5 of 8 , mrt ,
news.sf.sbcglobal.net , not-nomen
, David Tanner
, Jeff Davies , BobTheBuilder
.

All intelligent members of the usenet community have killfiled him, so he takes
great pains to get past their killfiles by rubbing his only two cerebral neurons
together and coming up with gems like: mrtrav , mrtrav3
, mrraveltay , and mrtravelkay
, and mtravelkay and ""a.a\"@a,a,a.
The lastest product of his brain diarrhea is Bill Clarkj
.

He seems to like to hang out in alt.sex.preteen. Hmmm....

His phone numbers are 831-295-3628 and 831-252-2606.

He's got a daughter in Orange County that one of his ex-wives had the
intelligence to take away from him. Lord only knows what could have
happened to her if she had continued to live with the kook. The other kids
he has belong to his previous Russian sleazy brides, and since they come
and go so do the kids. It wouldn't hurt to let Cisco know what kind of
deviant sexual pervert maniac they have working for them, so....

For starters, forward his idiotic posts to .

He works in technical support, so forward them to .

He often posts through sbcglobal and prodigy, so forward them to
and as well.

You can also call them at 1 800 553 2447 and ask to speak with a supervisor
and explain that you are EXTREMELY unhappy that this idiot spends his whole
day at work playing on the internet on company time. THEY WILL NOT LIKE
THAT.

Then write to corporate headquarters explaining what this idiot is doing
and telling them HOW BAD IT IS FOR THEIR COMPANY IMAGE. They will LOVE
that you brought this to their attention:

Cisco Systems, Inc.
170 West Tasman Dr.
San Jose, CA 95134
USA

Then also call them. You should always follow up email or letters with
phone calls. Always ask for supervisors or managers. Try to get as far up
as possible.

(408)526-4000
(800)553-NETS or
(800)553-6387

Contact Investor Relations and tell them you are interested in investing in
their company but won't do so until they get rid of this asshole who is
wasting company resources:

Cisco Systems, Inc.
Investor Relations Department
170 West Tasman Drive
San Jose, CA 95134-1706
Phone: (408) 526-8890
Fax: (408) 526-4545
Email:

Might as well contact customer service too, they LOVE to hear about this
type of stuff:

USA 1 800 553 6387




Then finally, send letters with copies of his nasty posts addressed
personally to each one of the OFFICERS of the company using the
headquarters address. Believe me, they READ your complaints and are VERY
INTERESTED in them, especially if it's about one of their employees. They
will take a PERSONAL interest in rooting this ASSHOLE out of their company:

John Morgridge, Chairman
John Chambers, President, CEO
Donald Valentine, Vice Chairman
Larry Carter, CFO, Sr. VP-Fin. and Admin., Sec., Director
Richard Justice, Sr. VP, Worldwide Field Operations

Have fun!

On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 22:51:02 +0000, mtravelkay wrote:

devil wrote:


Still, especially after the grotesquely illegal invasion of the sovereign
state of Iraq, the US has no moral status to hold prisoners kidnapped from
a foreign land. They are no longer any better morally than Al Qaida.

To put things in perspective: surely more civilians have been killed by
the US in Iraq than in 9/11?

One import difference. Civilians were the target on 9/11.

Does that really make a difference?

In the larger scheme of things, targets were similar. A regime, a
government. Neither seems to care about civilians.

I must say I would have expected the US to hold themselves to higher moral
standards. But apparently I was wrong. :-(

In article ,
devil wrote:

Most German prison camp treated war prisoners quite decently actually. And
in that case, their war prisoner status was unambiguous.

Depends on your nationality. By most accounts, Russian/Soviet PoWs
weren't treated too good.

In article ,
mtravelkay wrote:

devil wrote:


Still, especially after the grotesquely illegal invasion of the sovereign
state of Iraq, the US has no moral status to hold prisoners kidnapped from
a foreign land. They are no longer any better morally than Al Qaida.

To put things in perspective: surely more civilians have been killed by
the US in Iraq than in 9/11?

One import difference. Civilians were the target on 9/11.

And civilians were just "collateral" casualties in Iraq

In article ,
(cynara) wrote:

mtravelkay wrote in message
.com...
Miss L. Toe wrote:

"Jimbo Minn" wrote in message
...

What state do you think is the best to visit in the United States? Our
states are like countries in Europe.



Guantanemo - reminds me of Nazi germany.


Ummmm--IS Guantanemo one of the States anyway? Cuba--right?

May be so, but who ultimately exercises de facto sovereignty and control?

Hawaii's cool but I'm slightly prejudiced. I grew up there and hey!
It's the only state that was a monarchy before it was a territory then
state. Of course, how it GOT to be a territory and state is another
story and not a pretty one, I'm afraid. Another time maybe. Also,
you can go skiing and snowmobiling in the morning and then scuba
diving and lying on the beach top work on that tan in the afternoon.
Nothing like diversity.
My son says West Virginia....

On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 23:33:26 +0000, Not the Karl Orff wrote:

In article ,
devil wrote:

Most German prison camp treated war prisoners quite decently actually. And
in that case, their war prisoner status was unambiguous.

Depends on your nationality. By most accounts, Russian/Soviet PoWs
weren't treated too good.

You are correct. But then, neither were German PoWs in Russia. This
based upon the USSR not being a signatory on the Geneva (?) convention.
(Or is the Hague?)

In article ,
(Jimbo Minn) wrote:

What state do you think is the best to visit in the United States? Our
states are like countries in Europe.

That depends on what you mean by "best."

Its a completely subjective matter.