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Am you legally justified in killing a passenger who refuses to turn off their cell phone?
On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 23:59:42 +0000, David Monaghan
wrote: On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 02:55:19 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: That leaves out the US then doesnt it? http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice...a-is-safer-now On the other hand...in the UK.... http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/oc...es-fall-halted Yet...gun ownership in the US is at an all time high... On the other hand: US Murder rate 4.8 per hundred thousand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homicide_rate England & Wales murder rate 11.5 per million (1.15 per hundred thousand) Scotland murder rate 21.4 per million (2.14 per hundred thousand) - the second highest in Europe. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/ja...owest-12-years DaveM Yes indeed it is. And is rising rapidly In the UK, before the ACts of 1920..the murder rates in the UK were far lower. What was it...hummm 1890...(1) murder in London, and that done with an ax. The occupied home burglary and assault rates in the UK are magnitudes higher than in the US. And a little known fact..if one removes the gang killings where gang members kill gang members..the US falls to 1.5 per hundred thousand. Which is not bad at all for a country that has universal firearms..some 400,000.000, million of them..and a falling burglary and assault rates already below those of the UK. Doesnt speak well for the UK now..does it? Gunner One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid. Gunner Asch |
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Am you legally justified in killing a passenger who refuses to turn off their cell phone?
On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 22:14:41 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 23:59:42 +0000, David Monaghan wrote: US Murder rate 4.8 per hundred thousand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homicide_rate England & Wales murder rate 11.5 per million (1.15 per hundred thousand) Scotland murder rate 21.4 per million (2.14 per hundred thousand) - the second highest in Europe. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/ja...owest-12-years The occupied home burglary and assault rates in the UK are magnitudes higher than in the US. And a little known fact..if one removes the gang killings where gang members kill gang members..the US falls to 1.5 per hundred thousand. If you eliminated most of the UK murders on the basis they happened to people who don't count, the UK rate would be lower, too. Which is not bad at all for a country that has universal firearms..some 400,000.000, million of them.. You know, that's the first time I've heard a gun proponent suggesting guns would be expected to increase the domestic murder rate: Normally the argument is that guns make life safer. Anyway, I take your point: If you pretend two thirds of the murders don't happen, the US murder rate is only 30% higher than England & Wales. I can see why you're proud. DaveM |
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Am you legally justified in killing a passenger who refuses to turn off their cell phone?
On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 08:08:02 +0000, David Monaghan
wrote: On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 22:14:41 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 23:59:42 +0000, David Monaghan wrote: US Murder rate 4.8 per hundred thousand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homicide_rate England & Wales murder rate 11.5 per million (1.15 per hundred thousand) Scotland murder rate 21.4 per million (2.14 per hundred thousand) - the second highest in Europe. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/ja...owest-12-years The occupied home burglary and assault rates in the UK are magnitudes higher than in the US. And a little known fact..if one removes the gang killings where gang members kill gang members..the US falls to 1.5 per hundred thousand. If you eliminated most of the UK murders on the basis they happened to people who don't count, the UK rate would be lower, too. So in the UK...the dead dont count? Fascinating world view you hold.Cold, nasty and brutish..but typically English. Which is not bad at all for a country that has universal firearms..some 400,000.000, million of them.. You know, that's the first time I've heard a gun proponent suggesting guns would be expected to increase the domestic murder rate: Normally the argument is that guns make life safer. Indeed they do. Anyway, I take your point: If you pretend two thirds of the murders don't happen, the US murder rate is only 30% higher than England & Wales. I can see why you're proud. Fascinating your attempt to spin. Weak, poorly done, but typical of the lot. So I say..about those gun deaths when firearms were readily available to all Brits....1 in London for the entire year, when gentleman carried a pistol and ladies had a pistol in their hand muffs... And now when they are utterly banned... Seems the English have come totally aglay, eh wot? DaveM Gunner One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid. Gunner Asch |
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Am you legally justified in killing a passenger who refuses toturn off their cell phone?
On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 03:47:03 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 08:08:02 +0000, David Monaghan wrote: On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 22:14:41 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 23:59:42 +0000, David Monaghan wrote: US Murder rate 4.8 per hundred thousand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate England & Wales murder rate 11.5 per million (1.15 per hundred thousand) Scotland murder rate 21.4 per million (2.14 per hundred thousand) - the second highest in Europe. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/ja...owest-12-years The occupied home burglary and assault rates in the UK are magnitudes higher than in the US. And a little known fact..if one removes the gang killings where gang members kill gang members..the US falls to 1.5 per hundred thousand. If you eliminated most of the UK murders on the basis they happened to people who don't count, the UK rate would be lower, too. So in the UK...the dead dont count? Fascinating world view you hold.Cold, nasty and brutish..but typically English. That's the sort of sophistry that gets you a smack in the mouth in most places. So I say..about those gun deaths when firearms were readily available to all Brits....1 in London for the entire year, when gentleman carried a pistol and ladies had a pistol in their hand muffs... And now when they are utterly banned... There's absolutely no evidence at all that people carried guns as a matter of routine when no licenses were carried, indeed there's some evidence that nobody carried guns at all outside sportsmen carrying them to and from getting them repaired.. -- William Black Free men have open minds If you want loyalty, buy a dog... |
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Am you legally justified in killing a passenger who refuses to turn off their cell phone?
On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:31:44 +0000 (UTC), bill
wrote: On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 03:47:03 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 08:08:02 +0000, David Monaghan wrote: On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 22:14:41 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 23:59:42 +0000, David Monaghan wrote: US Murder rate 4.8 per hundred thousand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate England & Wales murder rate 11.5 per million (1.15 per hundred thousand) Scotland murder rate 21.4 per million (2.14 per hundred thousand) - the second highest in Europe. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/ja...owest-12-years The occupied home burglary and assault rates in the UK are magnitudes higher than in the US. And a little known fact..if one removes the gang killings where gang members kill gang members..the US falls to 1.5 per hundred thousand. If you eliminated most of the UK murders on the basis they happened to people who don't count, the UK rate would be lower, too. So in the UK...the dead dont count? Fascinating world view you hold.Cold, nasty and brutish..but typically English. That's the sort of sophistry that gets you a smack in the mouth in most places. And earns a serious beating in return for that smack. So I say..about those gun deaths when firearms were readily available to all Brits....1 in London for the entire year, when gentleman carried a pistol and ladies had a pistol in their hand muffs... And now when they are utterly banned... There's absolutely no evidence at all that people carried guns as a matter of routine when no licenses were carried, indeed there's some evidence that nobody carried guns at all outside sportsmen carrying them to and from getting them repaired.. Laugh laugh laugh...oh of course not. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tottenham_Outrage "By this time, all those on foot had arrived at the scene where the motor car had crashed, and Constable Bond borrowed a small revolver from a member of the crowd " and so forth and so on.... ' http://www.davekopel.com/2a/lawrev/slipperyslope.htm http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2010/tle558-20100221-07.html Poor Mr Luty..... http://reason.com/archives/2002/11/0...ome/singlepage Laddy boyo....your ignorance continues to astound me. Gunner One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid. Gunner Asch |
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Am you legally justified in killing a passenger who refuses toturn off their cell phone?
On 1/20/2012 12:05 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:31:44 +0000 (UTC), wrote: On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 03:47:03 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 08:08:02 +0000, David Monaghan wrote: On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 22:14:41 -0800, Gunner wrote: On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 23:59:42 +0000, David Monaghan wrote: US Murder rate 4.8 per hundred thousand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate England& Wales murder rate 11.5 per million (1.15 per hundred thousand) Scotland murder rate 21.4 per million (2.14 per hundred thousand) - the second highest in Europe. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/ja...owest-12-years The occupied home burglary and assault rates in the UK are magnitudes higher than in the US. And a little known fact..if one removes the gang killings where gang members kill gang members..the US falls to 1.5 per hundred thousand. If you eliminated most of the UK murders on the basis they happened to people who don't count, the UK rate would be lower, too. So in the UK...the dead dont count? Fascinating world view you hold.Cold, nasty and brutish..but typically English. That's the sort of sophistry that gets you a smack in the mouth in most places. And earns a serious beating in return for that smack. Not from the likes of you. |
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Am you legally justified in killing a passenger who refuses toturn off their cell phone?
On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 12:05:57 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:31:44 +0000 (UTC), bill wrote: On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 03:47:03 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 08:08:02 +0000, David Monaghan wrote: On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 22:14:41 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 23:59:42 +0000, David Monaghan wrote: US Murder rate 4.8 per hundred thousand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate England & Wales murder rate 11.5 per million (1.15 per hundred thousand) Scotland murder rate 21.4 per million (2.14 per hundred thousand) - the second highest in Europe. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/ja...owest-12-years The occupied home burglary and assault rates in the UK are magnitudes higher than in the US. And a little known fact..if one removes the gang killings where gang members kill gang members..the US falls to 1.5 per hundred thousand. If you eliminated most of the UK murders on the basis they happened to people who don't count, the UK rate would be lower, too. So in the UK...the dead dont count? Fascinating world view you hold.Cold, nasty and brutish..but typically English. That's the sort of sophistry that gets you a smack in the mouth in most places. And earns a serious beating in return for that smack. My limited experience is that a firm smack in the mouth ends almost all fights. I'd have thought a retired police officer would know that. There's absolutely no evidence at all that people carried guns as a matter of routine when no licenses were carried, indeed there's some evidence that nobody carried guns at all outside sportsmen carrying them to and from getting them repaired.. Laugh laugh laugh...oh of course not. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tottenham_Outrage "By this time, all those on foot had arrived at the scene where the motor car had crashed, and Constable Bond borrowed a small revolver from a member of the crowd " and so forth and so on.... ' Except if you read the book 'The Battle of Stepney' by Colin Rogers with care you'll find the guns the police borrowed were all actually inside two gun shops and the revolver obtained had just been collected from being repaired. The Notting Hill outrage was a turning point in the British methodology for arming the police and after that numbers of firearms were held in all 'divisional police stations' and some officers at those stations were trained in their use. This system was used until replaced by the current 'Armed Response Unit' policy in 1991. -- William Black Free men have open minds If you want loyalty, buy a dog... |
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Am you legally justified in killing a passenger who refuses to turn off their cell phone?
On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 03:47:03 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 08:08:02 +0000, David Monaghan wrote: On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 22:14:41 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: And a little known fact..if one removes the gang killings where gang members kill gang members..the US falls to 1.5 per hundred thousand. If you eliminated most of the UK murders on the basis they happened to people who don't count, the UK rate would be lower, too. So in the UK...the dead dont count? Fascinating world view you hold.Cold, nasty and brutish..but typically English. So run it past me again - why would we not count gang members in the US death rate? Which is not bad at all for a country that has universal firearms..some 400,000.000, million of them.. You know, that's the first time I've heard a gun proponent suggesting guns would be expected to increase the domestic murder rate: Normally the argument is that guns make life safer. Indeed they do. So English isn't your first language? You meant if you didn't have guns that doctored murder rate would be even higher? How much? Double the UK? Anyway, I take your point: If you pretend two thirds of the murders don't happen, the US murder rate is only 30% higher than England & Wales. I can see why you're proud. So I say..about those gun deaths when firearms were readily available to all Brits....1 in London for the entire year That's the second time you've made that claim. It might be possible that the _City of London_ only had single murder in a Victorian year, but it's known as "the square mile" for a reason. Even allowing for the much smaller population then, I don't believe that statistic. Source, please. DaveM |
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Am you legally justified in killing a passenger who refuses to turn off their cell phone?
On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 20:28:58 +0000, David Monaghan
wrote: Anyway, I take your point: If you pretend two thirds of the murders don't happen, the US murder rate is only 30% higher than England & Wales. I can see why you're proud. So I say..about those gun deaths when firearms were readily available to all Brits....1 in London for the entire year That's the second time you've made that claim. It might be possible that the _City of London_ only had single murder in a Victorian year, but it's known as "the square mile" for a reason. Even allowing for the much smaller population then, I don't believe that statistic. Source, please. DaveM http://gunowners.org/sk0703.htm http://reason.com/archives/2002/11/0...ome/singlepage http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/1440764.stm Need more? Plenty of them out there. Gunner One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid. Gunner Asch |
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Am you legally justified in killing a passenger who refuses to turn off their cell phone?
On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 01:17:42 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 20:28:58 +0000, David Monaghan wrote: Anyway, I take your point: If you pretend two thirds of the murders don't happen, the US murder rate is only 30% higher than England & Wales. I can see why you're proud. So I say..about those gun deaths when firearms were readily available to all Brits....1 in London for the entire year That's the second time you've made that claim. It might be possible that the _City of London_ only had single murder in a Victorian year, but it's known as "the square mile" for a reason. Even allowing for the much smaller population then, I don't believe that statistic. Source, please. http://gunowners.org/sk0703.htm No mention of London. http://reason.com/archives/2002/11/0...ome/singlepage No mention of a year in London with a single murder. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/1440764.stm No mention of a year in London with a single murder. Need more? Plenty of them out there. I only need one, providing it has a reliable source reference for your claim: "In the UK, before the Acts of 1920..the murder rates in the UK were far lower. What was it...hummm 1890...(1) murder in London, and that done with an ax." Anyway, it's hardly surprising the murder rates are converging, although they're still a long way apart. Since 1979 on there's been an increasing gap between the earnings of the most wealthy and the least. The connection between violent crime and inequality is what's driving the change. In that sense are crime rate is rising because we're becoming more like the US. Hmmm. I wonder if that means your crime rates are dropping because you're becoming more like us? There's a thought... DaveM |
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