Denmark to restrict radical imams

"Tim Kroesen" schreef in bericht
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Please cite which Christian priests broke what Danish law...


I don't know about Denmark, but I do know that the Netherlands has
extradited some American Christians that came here to violently protest
against our abortion laws.

Sjoerd

Since when is assisting in the prevention of murder against any
reasonable law. All you need to do to believe that is accept the clear
physical fact that from the moment of conception you are a unique
developing human being which hopefully is endowed with the right to
life's continuing potential; which no one may rightfully deprive you of.
No religious intonations necessary to support natural reality; there is
NOthing special endowed to a human through physical birth; it's *all*
endowed at conception.

It just depends how you look at it, eh... I really don't feel all that
fanatical from a religious standpoint; to me it's just common sense.
Perhaps bad laws sanctioning socially convenient (at the moment) murder
should be put down by humans of good social conscience?

Tim K

"Sjoerd" wrote in message
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"Tim Kroesen" schreef in bericht
link.net...
Please cite which Christian priests broke what Danish law...


I don't know about Denmark, but I do know that the Netherlands has
extradited some American Christians that came here to violently
protest
against our abortion laws.

Sjoerd

"Casey" wrote in message link.net...
The Danish government has proposed amendments to its immigration
laws aimed at restricting the entry of radical Muslim clergymen.

At the same time, handing government funding support to neo-Nazi
propaganda radio station "Oasen":

"This year, we got a support payment of 78,000 Danish krone, equal to
€10,000. Exactly the same as we got over the last few years," said
Jonni Hansen, the station chief and leader of Denmark's right-wing
extremist party, DNSB, which also supplies propaganda material to
German neo-Nazi groups. In effect, the Danish government pays for the
distribution of Hansen's National Socialist propaganda.

http://www.dw-world.de/english/0,336...58_1_A,00.html

Bjorn

"Tim Kroesen" wrote in message thlink.net...
Since when is assisting in the prevention of murder against any
reasonable law. All you need to do to believe that is accept the clear
physical fact that from the moment of conception you are a unique
developing human being which hopefully is endowed with the right to
life's continuing potential; which no one may rightfully deprive you of.

Sperm and eggs are endowed with "life's continuing potential". It's
just that they haven't met with the right partner yet. If you want to
fight for the rights of embryos consisting of a handful of cells, you
should also fight for the rights of sperms and eggs.

No religious intonations necessary to support natural reality; there is
NOthing special endowed to a human through physical birth; it's *all*
endowed at conception.

Lots of stuff is endowed after conception. It's just more difficult to
tell exactly when, since it happens gradually, cell division by cell
division.

It just depends how you look at it, eh... I really don't feel all that
fanatical from a religious standpoint; to me it's just common sense.

There is no standpoint that makes common sense. If there was, we would
all agree.

Bjorn

Tim Kroesen wrote:

Since when is assisting in the prevention of murder against any
reasonable law. All you need to do to believe that is accept the clear
physical fact that from the moment of conception you are a unique
developing human being which hopefully is endowed with the right to
life's continuing potential; which no one may rightfully deprive you of.
No religious intonations necessary to support natural reality; there is
NOthing special endowed to a human through physical birth; it's *all*
endowed at conception.

It just depends how you look at it, eh... I really don't feel all that
fanatical from a religious standpoint; to me it's just common sense.
Perhaps bad laws sanctioning socially convenient (at the moment) murder
should be put down by humans of good social conscience?

Abortion is a complex issue. You can call it what you like, but the fact
is that most rational human beings deal with the human foetus on an
entirely different level than they do the human child. That's why
abortion is legal in different ways in practically all of the developed
world. Most human beings, if they saw a human child about to be
murdered, would intervene if they could, even at personal risk to
themselves. Apart from a few nutcases, most people don't hold the same
view on abortion, even I'd argue, you yourself. So, no matter the
rhetoric you use, even you, by your action, or inaction, concede that
the two are not the same.

David

--
David Horne- (website under reconstruction)
davidhorne (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk

That's quite a stretch of logic (imagination) to apply to my statement.

Sperm and Ovum are incapable of producing a human independent of each
other; they are not a 'human being'; rather cellular building blocks.
When they come together a human is conceived. Whether Two cells yet in
utero or Two trillion on a bed in a nursing home; human just the same
with the same rights.

Any other view is a stretch of wantful/needful imagination as to what
'cell count' comprises human existence and the rights to exist as a
human...

Tim K

"David Horne" wrote in message
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Tim Kroesen wrote:

Since when is assisting in the prevention of murder against any
reasonable law. All you need to do to believe that is accept the
clear
physical fact that from the moment of conception you are a unique
developing human being which hopefully is endowed with the right to
life's continuing potential; which no one may rightfully deprive you
of.
No religious intonations necessary to support natural reality; there
is
NOthing special endowed to a human through physical birth; it's
*all*
endowed at conception.

It just depends how you look at it, eh... I really don't feel all
that
fanatical from a religious standpoint; to me it's just common sense.
Perhaps bad laws sanctioning socially convenient (at the moment)
murder
should be put down by humans of good social conscience?

Abortion is a complex issue. You can call it what you like, but the
fact
is that most rational human beings deal with the human foetus on an
entirely different level than they do the human child. That's why
abortion is legal in different ways in practically all of the
developed
world. Most human beings, if they saw a human child about to be
murdered, would intervene if they could, even at personal risk to
themselves. Apart from a few nutcases, most people don't hold the same
view on abortion, even I'd argue, you yourself. So, no matter the
rhetoric you use, even you, by your action, or inaction, concede that
the two are not the same.

David

--
David Horne- (website under reconstruction)
davidhorne (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk

Tim Kroesen wrote:

Whether Two cells yet in
utero or Two trillion on a bed in a nursing home; human just the same
with the same rights.

But you don't extend two cells the same rights. I don't either. If I saw
a child about to come to harm outside my front door, I'd try and do
something about it, perhaps even endangering my own life. That's not
unusual- it's a natural instinct really. Abortion doesn't impact me the
same way- nor does it most people- yourself included. You refuse to deal
with that though- no surprise. Just keep on going on about murder if it
makes you un/happy.

David

--
David Horne- (website under reconstruction)
davidhorne (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk

Tim Kroesen wrote:

Since when is assisting in the prevention of murder against any
reasonable law. All you need to do to believe that is accept the clear
physical fact that from the moment of conception you are a unique
developing human being which hopefully is endowed with the right to
life's continuing potential; which no one may rightfully deprive you of.
No religious intonations necessary to support natural reality; there is
NOthing special endowed to a human through physical birth; it's *all*
endowed at conception.

Well, there you go. I think of an abortion as a medical procedure for women
who want some additional control over their reproductive rights. Religious
fanatics refer to it as murder.

I am not interested in discussing abortion, but this was in response to
someone's suggestion that Christian missionaries are on the same level as
Moslem clerics. I don't usually have a problem with people of different
religions, but I do have a problem when they start pushing their beliefs on
others, and more so when they get violent about it. We have had more acts of
violence committed on our country by rabid anti abortionist "christians"
than we have by radical imams.

Tim Kroesen wrote:

That's quite a stretch of logic (imagination) to apply to my statement.

Sperm and Ovum are incapable of producing a human independent of each
other; they are not a 'human being'; rather cellular building blocks.
When they come together a human is conceived. Whether Two cells yet in
utero or Two trillion on a bed in a nursing home; human just the same
with the same rights.

Any other view is a stretch of wantful/needful imagination as to what
'cell count' comprises human existence and the rights to exist as a
human...

That's cute, and you are entitled to your opinion. You also have the right
not to have an abortion. Many of the rest of us to not subscribe to your
simplistic view of what constitutes human life.

*I* extend the Two celled *human* the same rights; what don't you
understand? I *am* dealing with abortion here too. No reasoning human
being can resist my clear logic. You cannot defeat my simple logic so
you twist the words. At what point is a human conceived then in your
opinion? At what point is a human entitled to basic human rights of
existence?

Spin all you want; you know we are human from their moment of
conception; how many cells that compromise our bodies at a given moment
of existence mean nothing... Abortion is the willful and wanton
destruction of an individual and distinct human life; murder most foul
in every sense of the word.

Tim K

"David Horne" wrote in message
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Tim Kroesen wrote:

Whether Two cells yet in
utero or Two trillion on a bed in a nursing home; human just the
same
with the same rights.

But you don't extend two cells the same rights. I don't either. If I
saw
a child about to come to harm outside my front door, I'd try and do
something about it, perhaps even endangering my own life. That's not
unusual- it's a natural instinct really. Abortion doesn't impact me
the
same way- nor does it most people- yourself included. You refuse to
deal
with that though- no surprise. Just keep on going on about murder if
it
makes you un/happy.

David

--
David Horne- (website under reconstruction)
davidhorne (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk