Memo to Helen Thomas: THE JEWS IN ISRAEL ARE ALREADY HOME and morefallout from her anti semitic tirade

Bert Hyman wrote:
In news wrote:

Bert Hyman wrote:
In John Rennie
wrote:

It is a totally unnatural creation and that's what makes it a curse
on the Jewish race/culture.

All nations are "totally unnatural creation[s]."

Israel was simply carved out of the British Palestine Mandate, the
ex-Ottoman Empire, which the Brits got essentially as spoils of war
in 1922.

Jordan and the rest of the states of the region are no more or less
authentic states than Israel.

Roughly true but with the exception that Israel is
to all intents and purposes a European state.

So?

I can't believe that that is a genuine question.

Frankly I think the whole region was better off under the
Ottomans. What a pity they chose the wrong side
to support in WW1.

And again in WW-II.


Turkey was no longer under the Ottomans.

In John Rennie
wrote:

Bert Hyman wrote:
In news wrote:

Bert Hyman wrote:
In John Rennie
wrote:

It is a totally unnatural creation and that's what makes it a
curse on the Jewish race/culture.

All nations are "totally unnatural creation[s]."

Israel was simply carved out of the British Palestine Mandate, the
ex-Ottoman Empire, which the Brits got essentially as spoils of war
in 1922.

Jordan and the rest of the states of the region are no more or less
authentic states than Israel.

Roughly true but with the exception that Israel is
to all intents and purposes a European state.

So?

I can't believe that that is a genuine question.

Really? Of course it's a genuine question.

Why does it matter that Israel is a European state, even if you qualify
that with "to all intents and purposes?"

Should the region be quarantined to exclude the effects of western
civilization?


Frankly I think the whole region was better off under the
Ottomans. What a pity they chose the wrong side
to support in WW1.

And again in WW-II.


Turkey was no longer under the Ottomans.

That's clear. However, the various tribal leaders of the region openly
sided with Germany during WW-II.

--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN

On 13 June, 13:36, "ODONOVAN, Himself" wrote:



Which reminds me of a classic Jewish joke (when told orally, the way I
first heard it, this features a Yiddish accent for the elderly woman):

A man is sitting next to an old lady on an airplane. They begin to
chat, and after the preliminaries she cuts to the chase and asks him,
“You Jewish?”

“No ma’am, I’m not.”

“Don’t be shy,” she said “You can tell me.”

“No, I’m just not Jewish” he responds.

“You shouldn’t be ashamed of being Jewish,” she says, as she leans
closer.

“I’m not,” he answers. “If I were Jewish I’d be proud. But I’m just
not Jewish.”

“Maybe your mother, your father, a grandparent, somebody was Jewish?”

“No,” he said, “nobody.”

The lady gets testier and says, “You know, you’re not fooling me. I’m
going to keep asking you until you come clean.”

The man decides to give in, just to shut her up. “Okay, if it makes
you happy, okay, I’ll say it: yes I’m Jewish.”

“Funny, you don’t look it.”

What about you?Any Jewish relatives? Would you say you would be proud
of being Jewish if you are not?
What Is the matter with gentile Americans? Why on earth are so many so
keen on Israel? What Is the agenda? Simple imperialism or just
stupidity?

On 13 June, 14:54, Saracene wrote:
Not enough to give them a right to Palestine.


There wasn't a "Palestine". There was a
Mandate over land intended as the Jewish
national home.

Arabs got their own countries via other Mandates.
Who would want to give them the Jews' land?

On 13 June, 17:00, GLOBALIST wrote:
On Jun 13, 10:35*am, John Rennie wrote:





GLOBALIST wrote:
The Outrage At Helen Thomas

In Thomas's lifetime Israel has ethnically cleansed over a million
people.

By Alison Weir,www.palestinechronicle.com,
11 June, 2010.

Whenever Israel commits yet another atrocity, its defenders are quick
to redirect public attention away from the grisly crime scene.

Currently, there are headlines about allegedly anti-Semitic comments
made by senior White House correspondent Helen Thomas. Pundits across
the land evince outrage at her off-the-cuff 25-second statement made
to a man who appears to be holding a camera right in her face.

* snipped for brevity

Thank you Charles for not falling in the trap of "never criticize the
the government of Israel" or you will be branded for life for being
anti-Semitic. *I think millions are becoming immune and totally
indifferent to that accusation.

Let me add my thanks. Idiots like peejay think that because I
criticise Israel and even criticise us (the UK) for helping
to found this most contentious state I am inconsistent when
I attack anti-Semites like snakehawk. *I happen to be pro-Jewish.
That pro-Jewishness possibly makes me that bit anti-Israel
although I do remember the days of the kibbutz when I
thought that there just might be an idealistic socialist
state being created. *How can you be pro-Jewish and
criticise modern day Israel - because Israel is a burden
on the backs of all Jews. *I happen to understand why
Israelis attacked Gaza - they had to. *They were being
attacked by Hamas. *Of course they overdid it and didn't
need to but then we overdid the bombing of Germany when
we didn't need to. *It is what happens in war; you hit back
harder than you were hit. * I understand why a wall has
been built. *The suicide bombings have almost disappeared
but the wall cuts off Israel that much more from what
should be her neighbours. *Israel is stuck with having to
make unpleasant decision after unpleasant decision because
it should not exist. It is a totally unnatural creation
and that's what makes it a curse on the Jewish race/culture.- Hide quoted text -

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I rather see it...this way....When the ship loaded with German Jews
was floating around, no countries would take them in, including
England, including the United States. * It was decided that our of
sheer pity and compassion to "allow" them to settle in the area of
Palestine. * The European Jews could have started out by being
thoughtful of the natives of that area. *They could have started out
with humble beginnings to settle in and adjust to the culture, that
was already in place for centuries. *And I might add where plenty of
native Jews were already living in harmony with their neighbors.
* * *But instead they kicked the natives out of their homes and threw
their furniture into the street. The European Jews, who were
generations old in Germany, Poland etc then morphed into the Nazis
that punished and persecuted them. *President Truman was furious. *He
simply agreed to this arrangement for them to settle there as a
gesture of good will. He wrote in his diary that this whole incident
blew up in the faces of Britain and the US, but even more so for the
Orthodox Christians and the Arabs who lived their for centuries.
* * *Once you tell the historical facts you are branded as a hate
monger. *I stil insist and will always say...the intelligent Jews live
in Florida, New York and New Jersey. *They do not tie their Jewish
religion up in the mess of the politics of Israel.

What a romanticised vision of dhimmitude and
illegal Arab immigration into the Jewish national home.

On 13 June, 17:27, Bert Hyman wrote:
Innews




wrote:
Bert Hyman wrote:
Rennie
wrote:

*It is a totally unnatural creation and that's what makes it a curse
*on the Jewish race/culture.

All nations are "totally unnatural creation[s]."

Israel was simply carved out of the British Palestine Mandate, the
ex-Ottoman Empire, which the Brits got essentially as spoils of war
in 1922.

Jordan and the rest of the states of the region are no more or less
authentic states than Israel.

Roughly true but with the exception that Israel is
to all intents and purposes a European state. *

So?

Frankly I think the whole region was better off under the
Ottomans. *What a pity they chose the wrong side
to support in WW1.

And again in WW-II.

--
Bert Hyman * * *St. Paul, MN *

The Turks were waving Hitler banners last week!

Not true. Google "Balfour Declaration" for facts the founding of
Israel.

brad

On 13 June, 19:02, brad herschel wrote:
Not true. Google "Balfour Declaration" for facts the founding of
Israel.

brad

Don't be silly. The Mandate for Palestine is the legal
instrument.

John Rennie wrote:
Saracene wrote:
On 13 June, 13:10, "ODONOVAN, Himself" wrote:
Memo to Helen Thomas: THE JEWS IN ISRAEL ARE ALREADY HOME

Shouting then doesn't make your unhistorical errors any more
believable.

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fallout from her anti semitic tirade

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More on the Helen Thomas anti semitic tirade he

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You wouldn't think from the above that peejay believes that
America should not have gone to war against Hitler. He
has the cheek to *blame* Roosevelt for that. The losses
suffered by the Jews (and others) were bad enough - they
would have been far greater without American participation
in the war.

Do you think that Hitler would have gone along with Japan had FDR not
essentially been backing the British against him in Europe? Hitler had
no plan and no means to attack the US. In fact, he didn't even want to
attack the UK. I don't know, maybe not enough Jews there to bother with,
but the point is, there were other ways that this could have played out,
if a free Europe doesn't matter to you.

On 13 June, 18:57, Ariadne wrote:
On 13 June, 14:54, Saracene wrote:

Not enough to give them a right to Palestine.

There wasn't a "Palestine". *There was a
Mandate over land intended as the Jewish
national home.

Arabs got their own countries via other Mandates.
Who would want to give them the Jews' land?

These are legal quibbles. The reality is what those who live in the
region believe and feel. Any anyway, whatever territorial rights you
argue, surely they are not based on scientific research into Jewish
DNA, which was what my comment was replying to.