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  #261  
Old October 21st, 2007, 05:52 PM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada
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"Alohacyberian" wrote:
"proffsl" wrote:
"Alohacyberian" wrote:

Operation of motor vehicles isn't a "right".


The operation of a motor vehicle on public highways is a Right,
that is being circumvented by a police power requiring Licensing.


It isn't the police who require driver licenses;


Your phrase above shows no understanding of a police power at all.
Foremost, police powers aren't "who"s, but instead they are "what"s.


they are only enforcing the laws they don't make.


Police powers do not refer to police. Police powers do not enforce
anything.


You need to study up on how laws are enacted and for what reason,


Ad Hominem Directives issued by the same person who wrote the above.
Amazing!


It would be much easier for you to study your local driver license
manual and try to pass the test this time rather than go on the
Usenet and plea for laws to be changed for those who flunk the
tests.


More Ad Hominems by someone who seems only to exercise their imagined
psychic powers as a means of generating baseless personal attacks.

  #262  
Old October 21st, 2007, 09:26 PM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada
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Default Driver Licensing is all about highway safety

On Oct 21, 9:36 am, proffsl wrote:
"Alohacyberian" wrote:
"proffsl" wrote:
"Alohacyberian" wrote:


Operation of motor vehicles isn't a "right".


The operation of a motor vehicle on public highways is a Right,


Sorry, you don't know the legal meaning of a "right".


Baseless Ad Hominem.

"The Idaho Supreme Court, however, has held that the right to operate
a motor vehicle on public highways is a matter of constitutional
dimension. In Adams v. City of Pocatello , 91 Idaho 99, 101, 416 P.2d
46, 48 (1966), the Court declared that the right to drive "is a right
or liberty, the enjoyment of which is protected by the guarantees of
the federal and state constitutions. Consequently, the courts of this
state must regard the right to drive a motor vehicle on public
highways as constitutionally protected." - State of Idaho v. Mark
Wilder (2003) -http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data2/idahostatecases/app/1033/wilder.pdf


This case UPHELD licensing -- Wilder's conviction stood. It was not
overturned.

Yet you keep presenting this case as though it supports you. It does
not. It support us.

You left out the part of the ruling, as you always do, that included
licensing as part of the exercise of the right to travel by auto.
Wilder violated that and this case you cite UPHELD his conviction for
not having a license. How can you carry on in such an embarrassing
manner knowing this?

All yor cites are belong to us.



  #263  
Old October 21st, 2007, 09:28 PM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada
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Default Driver Licensing is all about highway safety

On Oct 21, 10:52 am, proffsl wrote:
"Alohacyberian" wrote:
It would be much easier for you to study your local driver license
manual and try to pass the test this time rather than go on the
Usenet and plea for laws to be changed for those who flunk the
tests.


More Ad Hominems by someone who seems only to exercise their imagined
psychic powers as a means of generating baseless personal attacks.


You are the one who initiates personal attacks. You also exercise your
imagined psychic powers to try to rewrite your cites, which contradict
you, or to fabricate them completely as you did in last year's version
of your doomed argument.


  #264  
Old October 22nd, 2007, 01:51 PM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada
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Default Driver Licensing not about highway safety

"proffsl" wrote in message
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"Alohacyberian" wrote:
"proffsl" wrote:
"Alohacyberian" wrote:


Operation of motor vehicles isn't a "right".


The operation of a motor vehicle on public highways is a Right,


Sorry, you don't know the legal meaning of a "right".


Baseless Ad Hominem.


My response is not baseless and has nothing to do with ad hominem (which
apparently is another definition which escapes you). Getting a driver
license is not a "right" in the legal sense of the word. Period. If you
think it's a right, then you don't know the legal meaning of the word, which
is probably why you never say anything new, but, can only repeat yourself ad
nauseam. Which is also probably why you stated, "Baseless Ad Hominem,"
because you are unable to refute the statement. Nevertheless over this
period of time, I'm sure you can count the number of people whom you've
persuaded to your views. LOL! KM
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  #265  
Old October 22nd, 2007, 01:51 PM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada
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Default Driver Licensing not about highway safety

"proffsl" wrote in message
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"Alohacyberian" wrote:
"proffsl" wrote:
"Alohacyberian" wrote:

Operation of motor vehicles isn't a "right".


The operation of a motor vehicle on public highways is a Right,
that is being circumvented by a police power requiring Licensing.


It isn't the police who require driver licenses;


Your phrase above shows no understanding of a police power at all.


"Police power" isn't relevant to my statement above. Police don't make the
laws, no do they, as policemen require anything; they merely enforce the
requirements set by lawmakers. Pretty simple, huh? KM
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  #266  
Old October 24th, 2007, 06:35 AM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada
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Default Driver Licensing not about highway safety

On Oct 5, 3:09 pm, "Alohacyberian" wrote:
"Dave Smith" wrote in message

... Alohacyberian wrote:
Maybe someone told him if he keeps posting the same rant, eventually
he'll
win a driver license. ;-) KM


Yeah, that about sums it up. He apparently has some sort of issue with the
driver examination process in his jurisdiction and thinks that bringing up
the same flawed logic and non-supporting evidence is going to get him
behind a steering wheel.


If his driving skills are the same as his illogic, it's best he doesn't get
a driver license. KM
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Have you gotten your license back since your drunk driving
convictions? You know, the ones you talked about in the AA
newsgroup?

"I too was court ordered to attend AA meetings" KM

  #267  
Old October 24th, 2007, 12:29 PM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada
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"alohacyberian" wrote in message
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On Oct 5, 3:09 pm, "Alohacyberian" wrote:


E B Yawn KM
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  #268  
Old October 24th, 2007, 03:56 PM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada
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"Alohacyberian" wrote in message
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"alohacyberian" wrote in message
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On Oct 5, 3:09 pm, "Alohacyberian" wrote:


E B Yawn KM


Yet another prime example of Keith's employment before us all of the Keith
Martin of non sequiturs, red herrings, and ad hominems. And he continues
the KM2 of ignoring issues/questions addressed to him, as per my question to
him:

"Do you agree that a maker of a statement is accountable for that
statement? A simple 'yes' or 'no' from you will suffice."

and my challenging him to back his statement that Hilo has no more rain than
in the UK. I daresay that one can perceive the truthfulness, honesty, and
reliability of Keith's statements in his persistent ducking of
issues/questions directed at him. And do note the total lack of
substantiation on his part, particularly when challenged. Still, he for the
time being has eschewed the Alvin Toda of crawling back under that rock of
his and - as per my accountability question - that six year old kid's taunt
of his: "Yes or no. KM." Bottom line, Keith ducks even basic,
fundamental, straightforward questions/issues as he babbles on and on as in
his post here.

Quack, quack!


  #269  
Old October 25th, 2007, 11:37 PM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada
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Default Driver Licensing not about highway safety

wrote:
proffsl wrote:
"Alohacyberian" wrote:
"proffsl" wrote:
"Alohacyberian" wrote:


Operation of motor vehicles isn't a "right".


The operation of a motor vehicle on public highways is a Right,


Sorry, you don't know the legal meaning of a "right".


Baseless Ad Hominem.


"The Idaho Supreme Court, however, has held that the right to operate
a motor vehicle on public highways is a matter of constitutional
dimension. In Adams v. City of Pocatello , 91 Idaho 99, 101, 416 P.2d
46, 48 (1966), the Court declared that the right to drive "is a right
or liberty, the enjoyment of which is protected by the guarantees of
the federal and state constitutions. Consequently, the courts of this
state must regard the right to drive a motor vehicle on public
highways as constitutionally protected." - State of Idaho v. Mark
Wilder (2003) -http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data2/idahostatecases/app/1033/wilder.pdf


You left out the part of the ruling, as you always do, that included
licensing as part of the exercise of the right to travel by auto.


Licensing is not a part of our Right to operate a motor vehicle on
public highways. Licensing is a part of the police power being
unreasonably imposed upon our Right to operate a motor vehicle on
public highways.

  #270  
Old October 25th, 2007, 11:39 PM posted to rec.travel.usa-canada
proffsl
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Default Driver Licensing Not about highway safety

wrote:
proffsl wrote:
"Alohacyberian" wrote:

It would be much easier for you to study your local driver license
manual and try to pass the test this time rather than go on the
Usenet and plea for laws to be changed for those who flunk the
tests.


More Ad Hominems by someone who seems only to exercise their
imagined psychic powers as a means of generating baseless
personal attacks.


You are the one who initiates personal attacks.


You are lying.

 




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