fees into Yosemite National Park won't be raised

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Entrance fees into Yosemite National Park won't be raised next year as
originally planned.

National Park Service Director Mary Bomar granted a waiver allowing
gate fees to remain at $20 per vehicle, not rising to $25 in January.

"If they go up, the earliest it would be is January of 2009," said
park spokesman Scott Gediman.

Craig Maxwell - who owns Sugar Pine Ranch, four miles east of
Groveland - was pleased to hear of the reversal.

"It's an excellent decision on the part of the Park Service
considering the local economy, the price of gas and the fact that
visitation is down," he said.

Since 1996, the park's visitation has slowly decreased from nearly 4.2
million to roughly 3.3 million last year.

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Doubling fees to enter National Parks would make them more enjoyable for
the rest of us--smaller crowds, line-ups, etc..





Make it so the poor people can not visit. Sounds like a plan. Conceited
poof.

Yet they can afford thousands a year for booze, cigarettes and illegal
drugs.



Now according to your posts, all poor are substance abusers, all First
Nation people are thiefs. Damn! You ignore that not all are born with a
silver spoon. Single moms, whose husband was a jerk, or died, etc.

"Peter Lawrence" wrote in message
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Hatunen wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 04:51:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"sharx35" wrote in message
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Doubling fees to enter National Parks would make them more enjoyable
for the rest of us--smaller crowds, line-ups, etc..

Make it so the poor people can not visit. Sounds like a plan.
Conceited poof.

Get real. if these poor people can get to Yosemite, a trip that
will cost them a fair chunk of cash, a $25 fee won't be enough to
stop them in their tracks. Of course, I've got a senior pass, $8
when I got it, and it's good for the rest of my life and for
every one in the car.

Before the entrance fee was raised from $7 to $20, there were a lot more
lower-income working class people who used to visit Yosemite for a day.
They used to bring in their own food and picnic at the designated picnic
sites located throughout the valley. It was a nice way for them to spend
a day in the park.

A lot of low-income people (in the hundred of thousands) live within an
easy 2-hour drive from Yosemite Valley, and even now, with gasoline
costing $3.50/gallon, they probably wouldn't have to spend more than $30
in gas for the round-trip to and from Yosemite.

Once Yosemite's entrance fee was raised to $20, the number of them
visiting the park dropped substantially.

Even though the price increase didn't affect me personally in a major way
(I always bought the annual National Park Pass), I think the Park Service
did a major disservice to the American people by raising the entrance fee
so high.

The National Parks are for all of us, and not just for those of us, like
myself, who are well-off enough to easily afford the higher fees.


- Peter

Lots or people from the valley can visit Yosemite for the day for a couple
of gallons of gas. Merced, Turlock, Modesto all are less than a 100 miles
from the valley. I have the Golden Age pass so I get in free, and 1/2 price
camping. Lots of the money in this country is in the seniors hands, why
give them a break? The park is paid for by tax dollars. I do not think it
is $20 to go the Smithsonian and that is an expensive place to run.

"Alan S" wrote in message
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On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 19:32:17 GMT, "sharx35"
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Typical DEMONreats...expect that space will always be there for THEM,
without any advance planning.

By coincidence we seem to be on the same side of a debate. I
will attempt, as I'm sure you will, that that unfortunate
situation does not occur again.

Regards.

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I really do not think you are on the same side of the argument. He is
saying to have reservations to just enter the park. Yosemite is a prime
example of a great day use park as well as a camping park. It is 80 miles
to Merced in the Central Valley of Calif. there are probably 2 million
people living within 100 miles and 8 million within 150 miles. Plus it is
one of the roads through the Sierra Nevada mountains. It does not go
through Yosemite Valley, but Yosemite Valley is maybe 5% of the park size
wise. I go through the park to go to June Lake and Bishop area fishing.

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On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 19:32:17 GMT, "sharx35"
wrote:

Typical DEMONreats...expect that space will always be there for THEM,
without any advance planning.

By coincidence we seem to be on the same side of a debate. I
will attempt, as I'm sure you will, that that unfortunate
situation does not occur again.

Regards.

Cheers, Alan, Australia
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latest: Up to Kuranda by train
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I really do not think you are on the same side of the argument. He is
saying to have reservations to just enter the park. Yosemite is a prime
example of a great day use park as well as a camping park. It is 80 miles
to Merced in the Central Valley of Calif. there are probably 2 million
people living within 100 miles and 8 million within 150 miles. Plus it is
one of the roads through the Sierra Nevada mountains. It does not go
through Yosemite Valley, but Yosemite Valley is maybe 5% of the park size
wise. I go through the park to go to June Lake and Bishop area fishing.


Using a National Park, as opposed to just driving right through it, should
be considered a PRIVILEGE, not a RIGHT. Unfortunately, most
LIEbrawl?DEMONrats think that they are ENTITLED to everything, no matter
what the cost of providing "everything". Clue: most of us can't afford to
buy EVERYTHING we see. Is that fair? Of course. To wealth, there IS
privilege. This does NOT mean that everything we see should be so subsidized
as to make it affordable to everyone. USING a National Park is a NOT a
necessity of life, e.g. essential food, clothing or shelter.

On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 04:35:42 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Alan S" wrote in message
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On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 19:32:17 GMT, "sharx35"
wrote:

Typical DEMONreats...expect that space will always be there for THEM,
without any advance planning.

By coincidence we seem to be on the same side of a debate. I
will attempt, as I'm sure you will, that that unfortunate
situation does not occur again.

Regards.

Cheers, Alan, Australia
--

I really do not think you are on the same side of the argument. He is
saying to have reservations to just enter the park. Yosemite is a prime
example of a great day use park as well as a camping park. It is 80 miles
to Merced in the Central Valley of Calif. there are probably 2 million
people living within 100 miles and 8 million within 150 miles. Plus it is
one of the roads through the Sierra Nevada mountains. It does not go
through Yosemite Valley, but Yosemite Valley is maybe 5% of the park size
wise. I go through the park to go to June Lake and Bishop area fishing.


My apologies. Actually, that was my error in responding to
him in the wrong thread. The debate where we happen to seem
to agree, in part, is to do with Maccas, hot coffee and
personal responsibility:-)

Cheers, Alan, Australia

Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong.
Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900)

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On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 19:32:17 GMT, "sharx35"
wrote:

Typical DEMONreats...expect that space will always be there for THEM,
without any advance planning.

By coincidence we seem to be on the same side of a debate. I
will attempt, as I'm sure you will, that that unfortunate
situation does not occur again.

Regards.

Cheers, Alan, Australia
--
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latest: Up to Kuranda by train
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latest: Slovenia
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I really do not think you are on the same side of the argument. He is
saying to have reservations to just enter the park. Yosemite is a prime
example of a great day use park as well as a camping park. It is 80
miles to Merced in the Central Valley of Calif. there are probably 2
million people living within 100 miles and 8 million within 150 miles.
Plus it is one of the roads through the Sierra Nevada mountains. It does
not go through Yosemite Valley, but Yosemite Valley is maybe 5% of the
park size wise. I go through the park to go to June Lake and Bishop area
fishing.


Using a National Park, as opposed to just driving right through it, should
be considered a PRIVILEGE, not a RIGHT. Unfortunately, most
LIEbrawl?DEMONrats think that they are ENTITLED to everything, no matter
what the cost of providing "everything". Clue: most of us can't afford to
buy EVERYTHING we see. Is that fair? Of course. To wealth, there IS
privilege. This does NOT mean that everything we see should be so
subsidized as to make it affordable to everyone. USING a National Park is
a NOT a necessity of life, e.g. essential food, clothing or shelter.





The national parks are paid for by everybody! Those tax monies flowing ino
the Federal coffers come from all. The rich and the poor. Even the poor
pay taxes. May not pay income tax, but there are enough other taxes they
can not escape.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Alan S" wrote in message
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On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 19:32:17 GMT, "sharx35"
wrote:

Typical DEMONreats...expect that space will always be there for THEM,
without any advance planning.

By coincidence we seem to be on the same side of a debate. I
will attempt, as I'm sure you will, that that unfortunate
situation does not occur again.

Regards.

Cheers, Alan, Australia
--
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Up to Kuranda by train
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Slovenia
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
latest: Jennifer's Story

I really do not think you are on the same side of the argument. He is
saying to have reservations to just enter the park. Yosemite is a prime
example of a great day use park as well as a camping park. It is 80
miles to Merced in the Central Valley of Calif. there are probably 2
million people living within 100 miles and 8 million within 150 miles.
Plus it is one of the roads through the Sierra Nevada mountains. It
does not go through Yosemite Valley, but Yosemite Valley is maybe 5% of
the park size wise. I go through the park to go to June Lake and Bishop
area fishing.


Using a National Park, as opposed to just driving right through it,
should be considered a PRIVILEGE, not a RIGHT. Unfortunately, most
LIEbrawl?DEMONrats think that they are ENTITLED to everything, no matter
what the cost of providing "everything". Clue: most of us can't afford to
buy EVERYTHING we see. Is that fair? Of course. To wealth, there IS
privilege. This does NOT mean that everything we see should be so
subsidized as to make it affordable to everyone. USING a National Park is
a NOT a necessity of life, e.g. essential food, clothing or shelter.





The national parks are paid for by everybody! Those tax monies flowing
ino the Federal coffers come from all. The rich and the poor. Even the
poor pay taxes. May not pay income tax, but there are enough other taxes
they can not escape.


The poor receive proportionally MORE than they pay INTO the system.
Subsidize their necessary food, clothing and shelter but do NOT provide
complementary low priced access into ANY unnecessary facility, such as a
national park. EVERY community has lots of PUBLIC LOCAL parks accessible,
e.g. Central Park in NYC.

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Hatunen wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 00:36:47 -0700, Peter Lawrence
wrote:
Hatunen wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 04:51:38 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:
"sharx35" wrote in message
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Doubling fees to enter National Parks would make them more enjoyable for
the rest of us--smaller crowds, line-ups, etc..
Make it so the poor people can not visit. Sounds like a plan. Conceited
poof.
Get real. if these poor people can get to Yosemite, a trip that
will cost them a fair chunk of cash, a $25 fee won't be enough to
stop them in their tracks. Of course, I've got a senior pass, $8
when I got it, and it's good for the rest of my life and for
every one in the car.
Before the entrance fee was raised from $7 to $20, there were a lot more
lower-income working class people who used to visit Yosemite for a day.
They used to bring in their own food and picnic at the designated
picnic sites located throughout the valley. It was a nice way for them
to spend a day in the park.

Cheaper than most amusement parks.

That's not $20 per person, you know. And four visits will pay for
an annual pass, assuming no one is old enough for a $10 lifetime
senior pass.

My earliest fee memories was $2 per car and $10 for a Golden Eagle.

A lot of low-income people (in the hundred of thousands) live within an
easy 2-hour drive from Yosemite Valley, and even now, with gasoline
costing $3.50/gallon, they probably wouldn't have to spend more than $30
in gas for the round-trip to and from Yosemite.

Suggest public transportation.

Once Yosemite's entrance fee was raised to $20, the number of them
visiting the park dropped substantially.

Park attendance isn't down. It hovers around 4M/yr.

Even though the price increase didn't affect me personally in a major
way (I always bought the annual National Park Pass), I think the Park
Service did a major disservice to the American people by raising the
entrance fee so high.

The NP can only suggest an increase to cover costs. Fee approval is done
by Congress.

The National Parks are for all of us, and not just for those of us, like
myself, who are well-off enough to easily afford the higher fees.

"All of us" includes those of us who don't live an hour away.

"All of us" includes those unborn.

--

On 25 Jun 2007 15:10:10 -0800, (Eugene Miya)
wrote:


A lot of low-income people (in the hundred of thousands) live within an
easy 2-hour drive from Yosemite Valley, and even now, with gasoline
costing $3.50/gallon, they probably wouldn't have to spend more than $30
in gas for the round-trip to and from Yosemite.

Suggest public transportation.

What public transportaton goes to Yosemite?


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************* DAVE HATUNEN ) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

Hatunen wrote:
On 25 Jun 2007 15:10:10 -0800, (Eugene Miya)
wrote:


A lot of low-income people (in the hundred of thousands) live within an
easy 2-hour drive from Yosemite Valley, and even now, with gasoline
costing $3.50/gallon, they probably wouldn't have to spend more than $30
in gas for the round-trip to and from Yosemite.
Suggest public transportation.

What public transportaton goes to Yosemite?

YARTS - Yosemite Area Regional Transportation System

http://www.yarts.com/

It provides year-around bus service from Merced and Mariposa to Yosemite
Valley, and summertime service from Mammoth Lakes over Tioga Pass to
Yosemite Valley.

For people traveling alone or in pairs it's provides a reasonably priced
service. But for large families or groups driving to Yosemite, it's
probably more economical to drive one's own minivan, station wagon, or
even one's gas guzzling SUV to Yosemite, even with today's high price of
gasoline.


- Peter