French fast food caters to Muslims

On 20 Sep 2005 03:16:37 -0700, "A Human Being"
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DDT Filled Mormons wrote:

only that there is a tendency toward this.

Why is there a tendency?

Because people are actually getting smarter as time goes on, as hard
to believe as it may be.

Ultimately there is a tendency
that children will eventually become smarter than their parents.

Its true that some will become smarter, but some may not.Depends on a
variety of factors.

Thus it's only a tendency.

The same applies for many other things in life.

The same flawed argument you just made is often used for other things
in life.

Such as?

Health.
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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 19:15:15 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

DDT Filled Mormons writes:

Because people are actually getting smarter as time goes on, as hard
to believe as it may be.

We don't really know that.

Add it to your list.
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DDT Filled Mormons wrote:
On 20 Sep 2005 03:16:37 -0700, "A Human Being"
wrote:


DDT Filled Mormons wrote:

only that there is a tendency toward this.

Why is there a tendency?

Because people are actually getting smarter as time goes on, as hard
to believe as it may be.

Ultimately there is a tendency
that children will eventually become smarter than their parents.

Its true that some will become smarter, but some may not.Depends on a
variety of factors.

Thus it's only a tendency.

The same applies for many other things in life.

The same flawed argument you just made is often used for other things
in life.

Such as?

Health.

Could u give an example?


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On 21 Sep 2005 09:03:31 -0700, "A Human Being"
wrote:


DDT Filled Mormons wrote:
On 20 Sep 2005 03:16:37 -0700, "A Human Being"
wrote:


DDT Filled Mormons wrote:

only that there is a tendency toward this.

Why is there a tendency?

Because people are actually getting smarter as time goes on, as hard
to believe as it may be.

Ultimately there is a tendency
that children will eventually become smarter than their parents.

Its true that some will become smarter, but some may not.Depends on a
variety of factors.

Thus it's only a tendency.

The same applies for many other things in life.

The same flawed argument you just made is often used for other things
in life.

Such as?

Health.

Could u give an example?

Smoking kills you.
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Jack Campin - bogus address a =E9crit :

Those French who are ethnically Arab may have to hide it. Speaking
good French is one road out of the trap. If you are Arab, the first
thing to do is give you newborn French names.
If you are only ethnically Arab, then you ARE French, so why not give
your children French names?
Why the **** do you care? People should be able to give their
children the names that they want. You're talking like a ****ing
National Socialist.

Is it still the case that children in France have to be given names
from a list of approved French ones? Bengt Danielsson described that
policy in force in Polynesia in "The Happy Island" - children were
given an official French name which they never used in daily life.
(French must be an utter ******* of a language to pronounce if you
come from a Polynesian background).

Make a search in rec.travel.europe with "meurgues + surname + pablo"

M=2E Campin, your Bengt Danielsson is once for all wrong :
There is no law of that kind in force in France and in Polynesia in
particular which is a part of it and there have in fact never existed
one AS FAR AS the jurisprudency was finally given the opportunity to
precise its meaning : The 1803 law was only accepting forenames coming
from ancient history (which the jurisprudency assimilated to the
notions of familial history and local usage as soon as it could) and
from =ABdiverse =BB calendars (meaning in fact all kinds of existing
religious forenames, oecumenically). But an =AB official list =BB has
never existed nor been officially PUBLISHED and was in fact impossible
to make because of the enormous number of possibilities, as several
Courts decisions reminded it AS SOON AS this question was brought to
them. In fact, originally, the a priori control by mayor was made in
the interest of the children to avoid ridiculous, pejorative, complex,
or fantaisist names after the excessive liberty given by the 1791 law
and disappeared in 1993. This last law essentially supressed the
reluctance of mayors to accept names which are not originally
forenames, like names of things, of places, or invented names (now you
can name your illigitimate son =AB locomotive =BB or =AB toilets =BB or =AB
red locomotivette toilets =BB and the mayor has to accept it until HE
goes to courts... (wich WAS, and is still, fortunately totally free of
charge for anybody at first level, since lawers are not mandatory
before the tribunal administratif). It is true that notably in
subsaharian Africa, a still freely choosen christian name was often
ADDED for christians to the local name and perhaps was it the case also
in Polynesia but I know young ivorians born there who still have been
named that way... 30 years after independence..., and I've also heard
(through my collegues) of people who were given strictly local names in
french overseas departements as soon as the end of the XIXth century.
Finally, french civil registers have never been closed to foreign and
even common local forenames as I've DEMONSTRATED with the 1900-2005
FORENAMES STATISTICS http://www.voila.fr/Famille
given in the link to rec.travel.europe quoted above. It has in fact
never been LEGALLY forbiden to use a local name and if some mayors did
imposed the contrary some decades/centuries ago they were doing it in
contradiction with the law AS PRECISED by the jurisprudency as soon as
was given to it the opportunity to precise this very point.

PS : I made an error in my former post : the francisation of names at
the EXCLUSIVE DEMAND of foreigners which was intoduced in France after
decolonisation for immigrants is still possible in the decree of
naturalisation. The 1993 law just abrogated the former law and rewrote
it on this point.

So there is as few official list of forenames as :
- there was a total privation of inheritance for a wife before the law
which (only) rised their share few years ago in case of death of the
husband "intestat" (without will) and application BY DEFECT of the
legal dispositions of civil code according to the different kinds of
mariages contracts previously CHOOSEN by the couple when they civily
married ; since the content of wills (testaments) has always prevailed
in France over these dispositions... ;
- there has been at last a devolution of powers to Corsica ONLY 2 or 3
years ago when was created the "assembl=E9e de corse" ; since it was
only the gathering of the 2 departemental and the regional assemblies
already existing with virtually the same powers, at least since the
decentralisation laws of 1982-83... ;
- there was finally an introduction of the "presumption of innocence"
by a recent law only few years ago ; since the title of this particular
law was only EXPLICITELY concerning its REINFORCEMENT (juge de la
d=E9tention) not its introduction ; this principle existing since the
declaration of human rights of... 1789...
etc...

And I could continue the long list of all the rumors and misconceptions
of comments that I often read in anglo-saxon medias concerning french
legal reforms...!!!

Now concerning discrimination, IMO it is essentially fuelled by the =AB
impressions =BB that people have according to their OWN experiments or
those of their friends. Personnally the fact that I've been
exclusevily verbally agressed in the street by young muslims in Paris
(or physically by a black in London) didn't have any influence on my
doubts about the justification of racist conceptions.
IMO with the exception of Pieds noirs and now old uneducated french
which didn't swallowed the consequences of the expulsion of the first,
it is true that some employers fear to have problems with young muslim
man, because they are/were often verbally violent (due sometimes to
proudness, and as far as algerians were concerned, to the attitude of
their parents towards their scolarship and their will to return home
soon "de toute fa=E7on", which often prooved imaginary) even if this
attitude is considerably decreasing, since few years exactly because
they are more and more integrated to french society (perhaps does the
numerous TV talkshows about it help !).
And as well some landlords fear the particular attitude that some
susaharians africans newcomers have towards the properties of their
own... friends and a fortiori of the others (due to their habit of
community life). They have a reputation, justified or not, to consider
rent payment as subalterne to their own everyday life needs.
The example given by Earl is interesting since a true racist would have
IMO refused BOTH black and muslim students...

But one would IMO be amased by the number of shopkeepers/owners of
foreign origin in Paris intra muros, notably arabic and chinese, if he
could make a survey... What prooves that they have no particular
difficulty to buy commerces to french "de souche" and allows them to
give increasingly job opportinuties to young (or not) members of their
own communities.

Generalisatons are nevertheless difficult in both... directions.
For example I still dare to find difficult to swallow that, even if it
was largely the case of the ELITES, that the ALL french population was
petainist on the pretext that a by definition secret army of resistance
compted about 5% of the population as I recently read, when I know the
strong influence that the communist party and the SFIO (socialists) or
radicals and even christian democrats had before and DURING the war on
french population, that a majority of french elected and was still
ruled by a... jewish prime minister (BLUM) just 1 year... before WWII,
that christians french hided at the risk of their own life 2/3 of the
jewish french and very recently immigrated jewish population in a
proportion unparallalled in the occupied countries, that no other
nation in the world fought so much with countless revolutions for the
establishment of a Republican regime which was simply... suppressed...
by the Vichy "governement", that the economical setback due to
occupation was about twice as important as the one brought about by the
devastating WWI..., and finally that no elections occured then to gave
to the people the occasion to express their REAL opinion...!!

didier Meurgues

PS : Stanislas, are you a parent of Yves de Kertanguy ? (d=E9sol=E9
d'=EAtre indiscret)


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