Boeing confirms Dreamliner delays

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7192137.stm

Boeing confirms Dreamliner delays

US plane maker Boeing has confirmed its new 787 Dreamliner faces
further delays, as it continues to struggle with production problems.

Deliveries of the plane will not now begin until 2009, rather than
late 2008, Boeing said.

The first test flight has also been moved "from the end of the first
quarter of this year to around the end of the second quarter", the
firm said.

Boeing had received 802 orders for the Dreamliner by the start of
2008.

This makes the plane its fastest-selling model.

'Deeply disappointed'

The new delay, estimated at three-months, puts it 10 months behind
schedule.

Boeing chief executive Scott Carson said that while the design and
technologies behind the plane remained sound, the firm had continued
"to be challenged by start-up issues in our factory and in our
extended global supply-chain".

"We are deeply disappointed by what this delay means for our
customers, and we are committed to working closely with them as we
assess the impact on our delivery schedules," Mr Carson added.

Boeing's first all-new jet since 1995, it is the only big commercial
aircraft made mostly of carbon fibre rather than aluminium.

It is billed as the most environmentally-friendly commercial jet built
to date.

Boeing says the 787 is much more fuel-efficient than its competitors
and produces 20% less carbon dioxide.

British Airways has ordered 24 Dreamliners and rival UK carrier Virgin
Atlantic is buying 15 of the jets. UK holiday airline First Choice has
ordered 12 planes.

The first carrier to receive the plane will be Japan's All Nippon
Airways which had initially expected the planes in May.

On Jan 16, 12:27*pm, Ozkan Gouru wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7192137.stm

Boeing confirms Dreamliner delays

US plane maker Boeing has confirmed its new 787 Dreamliner faces
further delays, as it continues to struggle with production problems.

Deliveries of the plane will not now begin until 2009, rather than
late 2008, Boeing said.

The first test flight has also been moved "from the end of the first
quarter of this year to around the end of the second quarter", the
firm said.

Boeing had received 802 orders for the Dreamliner by the start of
2008.

This makes the plane its fastest-selling model.

'Deeply disappointed'

The new delay, estimated at three-months, puts it 10 months behind
schedule.
[snip]

This is gonna be fun. It is the battle of the corporate delays.
The A380
is flying, but they can't produce too many right now. The 787 isn't
flying
at all and by the time they are, the A380 may be if full rate
production.
Could take the wind outta Boeing's sails. Alternatley, if the 787
beats the
A380 to full rate production, customers could begin to become
envious of the better efficiencies of the smaller plane and move away
from the big plane. 'Twill be interesting to see.

In article d7a7a7ad-45ac-458c-ac0a-43fcd545ad91
@l32g2000hse.googlegroups.com, says...
Alternatley, if the 787
beats the
A380 to full rate production, customers could begin to become
envious of the better efficiencies of the smaller plane and move away
from the big plane.

It's the larger plane which has the better economies of scale (one pilot
or a couple of pilots fly a larger number of people, just to name one).
--

Alfred Molon
http://www.molon.de - Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe

On Jan 16, 3:35*pm, Alfred Molon wrote:
In article d7a7a7ad-45ac-458c-ac0a-43fcd545ad91
@l32g2000hse.googlegroups.com, says...

*Alternatley, if the 787
beats the
A380 to full rate production, customers could begin to become
envious of the better efficiencies of the smaller plane and move away
from the big plane. *

It's the larger plane which has the better economies of scale (one pilot
or a couple of pilots fly a larger number of people, just to name one).

Despite what the airlines try to tell the unions, oil is
everything.
It's gallons per passenger mile that is everything. Boeings
commercial
projections for the 787 are better than the Airbus commercial
projections for
the A380. Course, they're both projections intended to sell aircraft.
Once these things actually start flying, then the truth comes out.

"me" skrev i meddelandet
...
On Jan 16, 3:35 pm, Alfred Molon wrote:
In article d7a7a7ad-45ac-458c-ac0a-43fcd545ad91
@l32g2000hse.googlegroups.com, says...

Alternatley, if the 787
beats the
A380 to full rate production, customers could begin to become
envious of the better efficiencies of the smaller plane and move away
from the big plane.

It's the larger plane which has the better economies of scale (one pilot
or a couple of pilots fly a larger number of people, just to name one).

Despite what the airlines try to tell the unions, oil is
everything.
It's gallons per passenger mile that is everything.
-------
Fuel costs isn't everything , as I can remember air fuel is at about 0,5
Euro/litre and fuel consumption about 0,03-0,04 litre/kilometer/seat
depending of distance and aircraft. So fuel cost fpr a 5000km
transatlantic flight could be around 90Euro/seat

Boeings
commercial
projections for the 787 are better than the Airbus commercial
projections for
the A380.
------
Also in the maximum 800 seat version ?
Course, they're both projections intended to sell aircraft.
Once these things actually start flying, then the truth comes out.

"Ozkan Gouru" a écrit dans le message de
...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7192137.stm

Boeing confirms Dreamliner delays

US plane maker Boeing has confirmed its new 787 Dreamliner faces
further delays, as it continues to struggle with production problems.

Deliveries of the plane will not now begin until 2009, rather than
late 2008, Boeing said.

The first test flight has also been moved "from the end of the first
quarter of this year to around the end of the second quarter", the
firm said.

Boeing had received 802 orders for the Dreamliner by the start of
2008.

This makes the plane its fastest-selling model.

'Deeply disappointed'

The new delay, estimated at three-months, puts it 10 months behind
schedule.

Boeing chief executive Scott Carson said that while the design and
technologies behind the plane remained sound, the firm had continued
"to be challenged by start-up issues in our factory and in our
extended global supply-chain".

"We are deeply disappointed by what this delay means for our
customers, and we are committed to working closely with them as we
assess the impact on our delivery schedules," Mr Carson added.

Boeing's first all-new jet since 1995, it is the only big commercial
aircraft made mostly of carbon fibre rather than aluminium.

It is billed as the most environmentally-friendly commercial jet built
to date.

Boeing says the 787 is much more fuel-efficient than its competitors
and produces 20% less carbon dioxide.

British Airways has ordered 24 Dreamliners and rival UK carrier Virgin
Atlantic is buying 15 of the jets. UK holiday airline First Choice has
ordered 12 planes.

The first carrier to receive the plane will be Japan's All Nippon
Airways which had initially expected the planes in May.

Alfred Molon wrote:
In article d7a7a7ad-45ac-458c-ac0a-43fcd545ad91
@l32g2000hse.googlegroups.com, says...

Alternatley, if the 787
beats the
A380 to full rate production, customers could begin to become
envious of the better efficiencies of the smaller plane and move away
from the big plane.


It's the larger plane which has the better economies of scale (one pilot
or a couple of pilots fly a larger number of people, just to name one).

There is also the law of diminishing returns, but I digress.


It's is more economical if you can sell the seats.
This limits its markets.

"me" wrote in message
...

It's the larger plane which has the better economies of scale (one pilot
or a couple of pilots fly a larger number of people, just to name one).

Despite what the airlines try to tell the unions, oil is
everything.
It's gallons per passenger mile that is everything. Boeings
commercial
projections for the 787 are better than the Airbus commercial
projections for
the A380.

-------------------------

Except that the A380 is flying, and the Dreamliner isn't...

It doesn't matter what the economics are if the bloody thing doesn't
exist...

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

On Jan 17, 9:35*am, "William Black"
wrote:
"me" wrote in message

...

It's the larger plane which has the better economies of scale (one pilot
or a couple of pilots fly a larger number of people, just to name one).

* *Despite what the airlines try to tell the unions, oil is
everything.
It's gallons per passenger mile that is everything. *Boeings
commercial
projections for the 787 are better than the Airbus commercial
projections for
the A380.

-------------------------

Except that the A380 is flying, *

Well, "A" A380 is flying. It isn't apparentely very close to the
full production version.

and the Dreamliner isn't...

It doesn't matter what the economics are if the bloody thing doesn't
exist...
[snip]

Yeah, I mentioned this in my original response. You have a plane
that doesn't exist yet and a plane that isn't finished. It's a race
between them to get to the full production versions and demonstrate
actual performance in operations. The first one to do so may get
a "head start" on future orders. If the dreamliner can ever get out of
the hanger, and it performs anywhere near predictions, it should be a
real winner. It got started later and incorporated more advanced
features
for better fuel economy. But the longer it takes, the more time
Airbus
has to refine and improve their performance. That will undercut the
787 advantage.

In article cab4f2f6-b32e-4e77-ad74-
, me says...

Well, "A" A380 is flying.

Two are flying now (the second has been delivered).
--

Alfred Molon
http://www.molon.de - Photos of Asia, Africa and Europe