Taser Murder Video

Greg Carr wrote:
http://www.cknw.com/news/news_local....news_local.cfm

A needless homicide. It is obvious that everyone present thought he
spoke Russian, if they had found an interpreter they would have
realized he was Polish.

What about his passport? Didn't ANYONE bother to ask for his passport
and see the country of origin/issue? They would've EASILY realized that
he was Polish! In other forums around town, like Discover Vancouver
people are bashing him, the victim and defending the actions of the
RCMP. Even on the news call-in shows people's opinions are mixed.
Basically, a lot of people are saying the police's jobs are hard and
that everyone makes mistake. That, and the fact the the training they
(police) have received allows such actions by the police. So what if
someone dies, they were following the rule book. Police nowadayas have
no conscience, morals, intergrity, common sense, social, and
communication skills. Did anyone consider that the the rule books on
the use of the taser is flawed? No independent safety evaluations have
ever been done on the use of tasers. Law enforcement only has the info
from the manufacturer. A taser should only be used in extreme life
threatening situations not as the first line of defense as it has been.
Time to make-up names and call the RCMP something else other than the
RCMP.

It is obvious that this individual was having a spaz attack long
before the police get there. A little known fact about flying is
this can occur for two reasons, a pending heart attack and swelling
of the brain due to the flight. Yes, if you fly your behaviour can
change! The later, swelling of the brain can change people
behaviour, often losing rationality and becoming violent. Sometimes
these afflicted people die right in mid-flight and appear to be
asleep as you depart. Seasoned attendants know this.

What is overlooked is that the police are trained in CPR. Did anyone of
those goons try to perform CPR? No, even when the ambulance Attendants
came about 10 minutes later, they STILL had him pinned to the ground.
The ambulance attendants had to demand the police remove themselves
from pinning down the body.

WTF? wrote:

Basically, a lot of people are saying the police's jobs are hard and
that everyone makes mistake. That, and the fact the the training they
(police) have received allows such actions by the police. So what if
someone dies, they were following the rule book.


The police are trained in the use of force. They not only learn how to use
pressure points and other moves to subdue violent people, they also learn
about the legalities of the use of force, which basically allows them to
use one step above the threat that they face. There is nothing in the law
that requires them to be injured in the line of duty. They are seriously
cautioned that any use of threat is likely to lead to charges against them.
Had the police not been equipped with a taser they likely would have
resorted to their batons. Having been trained in the use of the baton I can
assure you that as painful as the taser is for a few seconds, those batons
are nasty and the pain will last a lot longer. Police are well aware that
numerous strikes will cause lots of blood and bruising, so instead of a
number of soft blows they are more likely to deliver a blow that will put
the person down.


Police nowadayas have
no conscience, morals, intergrity, common sense, social, and
communication skills.

Bull**** again. Most Canadian police officers are highly trained
professionals, often university educated. You are basing your comments on
decades old stereotypes that are perpetrated by American media portrayals.

Did anyone consider that the the rule books on
the use of the taser is flawed?

Did you consider that what may be flawed is the policy on allowing mentally
ill travellers on planes unescorted?

No independent safety evaluations have
ever been done on the use of tasers. Law enforcement only has the info
from the manufacturer. A taser should only be used in extreme life
threatening situations not as the first line of defense as it has been.

Nope. Police officers should not be expected to allow things to escalate to
that point if there is a safer means of subduing a person than deadly
force. While tasers have caused some deaths, there has always been some
other factor, usually drugs. never the less, they are much safer than
guns.

Dave Smith wrote:
...which basically allows them to
use one step above the threat that they face.


Exactly. But the cops WEREN'T facing any threat. The man did not
threaten or injure anyone in all the time he was acting out. When the
cops came he was standing still surrounded by four cops. He was NO
threat!!!

A disgusting overuse of force!

On Nov 15, 4:03�am, "Greg Carr" wrote:
http://www.cknw.com/news/news_local....rem=79409&red=...

A needless homicide. It is obvious that everyone present thought he spoke
Russian, if they had found an interpreter they would have realized he was
Polish. He wasn't trying to hurt the ppl present but was damaging property
and disrupting operations. He seemed to realize the ppl present were trying
to help him. Perhaps if ppl had shown their drivers license or waved their
passports he might have clued in to show his own. The RCMP made no attempt
to arrest him the usual way although there were three of them and a security
guard. The man was not running from them but merely walking and the police
had no trouble outwalking him. They should have tried to just cuff him and
take him into custody. His "struggle" wasn't that at all. He was probably
having convulsions from the electric shock. I once fought the police and
they won so I know what it is like and this man didn't fight back. In the
video you can see that the officers involved are not even getting their hair
ruffled. I think this case calls for a lawsuit and RCMP suspensions at
least. Too bad we have no idea why he became so agitated in the first place.

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On Nov 14, 7:48 pm, "OMG" wrote:
OMG. wrote:
http://video.canada.com/Global_VideoContentHTML.aspx

Looks like they removed the video as it was too graphic and disturbing.
Try this one:

http://www.cknw.com/station/warning.cfm

The RCMP used to go out of their way to talk a situation down. If that
failed they'd use their fists. Rarely did a member of the Force ever
use his gun. They would risk their own lives to avoid taking a life.

Politicians destroyed the finest police force in the world.

the ******* politicians should all be hanged for treason.- Hide quoted text -

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They should put music to it when it goes on YouTube.

you're a retard, an idiot and in major denial. your lack of logic,
reasoning, and compassion is beyond comprehension. Being educated has
absolutely NOTHING to do with tripping, having a huge ego, and power/
control hungry. that's what the new breed of cops are these days.
you should be tasered several times and then and be pinned and held
down with your head hitting on the pavement so you can't breathe,
just so you can get a feel of what it's like. if you survive,
fine...if you don't tough ****. just because it's policy doesn't mean
it's not flawed or gives them a license to kill or do whatever the
**** they want like a bunch of cavemen. you're justifying murder.
everyone else can see it but not you. Retired superintendent Ron
Foyle, a 33-year veteran of the Vancouver police who saw the video
tape, said he didn't know "why it ever became a police incident. It
didn't seem that he made any threatening gestures towards them.", So
"Dave Smith" what the **** is the matter with you? You get a kick out
of being an asshole and belligerent like most cops these days? Just
because they are cops doesn't make them infallable. you will eat ALL
your words one day, then again, you are likly in need of major
psychiatric help. With that, you may likely continue to ignore the
facts so you can sleep better at night. i hope you end up in jail
one day so the inmates can do what they want to you. btw, it was
"policy" to exterminate the jews too.

On Nov 15, 12:50 pm, Dave Smith wrote:
WTF? wrote:
Basically, a lot of people are saying the police's jobs are hard and
that everyone makes mistake. That, and the fact the the training they
(police) have received allows such actions by the police. So what if
someone dies, they were following the rule book.

The police are trained in the use of force. They not only learn how to use
pressure points and other moves to subdue violent people, they also learn
about the legalities of the use of force, which basically allows them to
use one step above the threat that they face. There is nothing in the law
that requires them to be injured in the line of duty. They are seriously
cautioned that any use of threat is likely to lead to charges against them.
Had the police not been equipped with a taser they likely would have
resorted to their batons. Having been trained in the use of the baton I can
assure you that as painful as the taser is for a few seconds, those batons
are nasty and the pain will last a lot longer. Police are well aware that
numerous strikes will cause lots of blood and bruising, so instead of a
number of soft blows they are more likely to deliver a blow that will put
the person down.

Police nowadayas have
no conscience, morals, intergrity, common sense, social, and
communication skills.

Bull**** again. Most Canadian police officers are highly trained
professionals, often university educated. You are basing your comments on
decades old stereotypes that are perpetrated by American media portrayals.

Did anyone consider that the the rule books on
the use of the taser is flawed?

Did you consider that what may be flawed is the policy on allowing mentally
ill travellers on planes unescorted?

No independent safety evaluations have
ever been done on the use of tasers. Law enforcement only has the info
from the manufacturer. A taser should only be used in extreme life
threatening situations not as the first line of defense as it has been.

Nope. Police officers should not be expected to allow things to escalate to
that point if there is a safer means of subduing a person than deadly
force. While tasers have caused some deaths, there has always been some
other factor, usually drugs. never the less, they are much safer than
guns.

Dave Smith wrote:
WTF? wrote:

Basically, a lot of people are saying the police's jobs are hard and
that everyone makes mistake. That, and the fact the the training
they (police) have received allows such actions by the police. So
what if someone dies, they were following the rule book.


The police are trained in the use of force. They not only learn how
to use pressure points and other moves to subdue violent people,
they also learn about the legalities of the use of force, which
basically allows them to use one step above the threat that they
face. There is nothing in the law that requires them to be injured
in the line of duty. They are seriously cautioned that any use of
threat is likely to lead to charges against them. Had the police not
been equipped with a taser they likely would have resorted to their
batons. Having been trained in the use of the baton I can assure you
that as painful as the taser is for a few seconds, those batons are
nasty and the pain will last a lot longer. Police are well aware
that numerous strikes will cause lots of blood and bruising, so
instead of a number of soft blows they are more likely to deliver a
blow that will put the person down.

Batons don't kill people like tasers do. The central nervous system will
not react the same way as 50,000 volts does if hit with a baton. It's
not about pain but the effects. He should never been hit with a baton
nor tasered.
According to your logic, it's acceptable to use whatever force is
necessary as long as if there is nothing in the rule book to say
otherwise or the RCMP's
Incident Management policy which states:

"RCMP members are thoroughly trained in its application, and know that
preference is always weighted toward the least intrusive approach
possible in handling an incident." Didn't seem like the least intrusive
approach to me.

Of course, since you are "trained" in the use of the baton, you will
stick by the cops
and whatever action they take even if it is manslaughter or murder.

This all smells of a cover-up, especially with the different version of
events that the police and the tape show. At least we have a video tape.

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"EL NITPICK-IO" wrote in message
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What the hell are they teaching these guys?
What kind of police force is staffed with people who would go 4 on 1 with
a
guy who is clearly freaked right out and who doesn't speak ANY english.

Actually I think there is a lot more than we have been told in a few
critical areas. It is good this is so clearly documented on video for
post analysis.

It is obvious that this individual was having a spaz attack long before
the police get there. A little known fact about flying is this can occur
for two reasons, a pending heart attack and swelling of the brain due to
the flight. Yes, if you fly your behaviour can change! The later,
swelling of the brain can change people behaviour, often losing
rationality and becoming violent. Sometimes these afflicted people die
right in mid-flight and appear to be asleep as you depart. Seasoned
attendants know this.

Next, you get a person that can't communicate in the native language makes
the anxiety worse, influenced by a physical issue, changed behaviour
becoming violent.

In come the police to see this person is being violent, gets obviously
ready to take a swing at them then gets tasered. It is unlikely the
person even knew what a taser was. I also question how safe a taser would
be for someone with a flight induced trauma would be, but my guess the
officers were never taught how to recognize this. And that dude was
strong, took 4 to hold him down.

Bad set of circumstances but I see no malice. My guess is if they did an
autopsy they may find more.

99% of the time I strongly support the police. However, THIS time, I
strongly questions their actions. He was tasered not ONCE but TWICE. Why
was no CPR attempted to revive the victim?

If he had been holding a weapon I would have agreed with tapering him but
since he wasn't and he was outnumbered 3-1 with a security guard on hand
they should have done it the routine way. They couldn't ask him for his
passport because he wouldn't understand the language. But they could have
pantomimed it with the other passengers passports and he might have got it.
It is obvious from the video that he realized he wasn't supposed to walk
through the doors again perhaps recognizing the stop logo. I read in a
newspaper that he was let into the area by mistake by another person so at
the time he went into the restricted area he wouldn't have realized it. A
poll on Global showed after watching the video only 5% supported the RCMP
handling of this.

--
Read and obey the Bible. Yu'shua died on the cross for our sins, He rose
again and walked the earth. We are awaiting the Third Coming aka The Day Of
Judgment.

Sheep are extremely fluffy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4NEbU_YkZw#gAhmzK_HQgc

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Greg Carr wrote:
http://www.cknw.com/news/news_local....news_local.cfm

A needless homicide. It is obvious that everyone present thought he
spoke Russian, if they had found an interpreter they would have
realized he was Polish.

What about his passport? Didn't ANYONE bother to ask for his passport
and see the country of origin/issue? They would've EASILY realized that
he was Polish! In other forums around town, like Discover Vancouver
people are bashing him, the victim and defending the actions of the
RCMP. Even on the news call-in shows people's opinions are mixed.
Basically, a lot of people are saying the police's jobs are hard and
that everyone makes mistake. That, and the fact the the training they
(police) have received allows such actions by the police. So what if
someone dies, they were following the rule book. Police nowadayas have
no conscience, morals, intergrity, common sense, social, and
communication skills. Did anyone consider that the the rule books on
the use of the taser is flawed? No independent safety evaluations have
ever been done on the use of tasers. Law enforcement only has the info
from the manufacturer. A taser should only be used in extreme life
threatening situations not as the first line of defense as it has been.
Time to make-up names and call the RCMP something else other than the
RCMP.

"Dave Smith" wrote in message
...
WTF? wrote:

Basically, a lot of people are saying the police's jobs are hard and
that everyone makes mistake. That, and the fact the the training they
(police) have received allows such actions by the police. So what if
someone dies, they were following the rule book.


The police are trained in the use of force. They not only learn how to use
pressure points and other moves to subdue violent people, they also learn
about the legalities of the use of force, which basically allows them to
use one step above the threat that they face. There is nothing in the law
that requires them to be injured in the line of duty. They are seriously
cautioned that any use of threat is likely to lead to charges against
them.
Had the police not been equipped with a taser they likely would have
resorted to their batons. Having been trained in the use of the baton I
can
assure you that as painful as the taser is for a few seconds, those batons
are nasty and the pain will last a lot longer. Police are well aware that
numerous strikes will cause lots of blood and bruising, so instead of a
number of soft blows they are more likely to deliver a blow that will put
the person down.

They could have pepper sprayed him then used the traditional grappaling
method.


Police nowadayas have
no conscience, morals, intergrity, common sense, social, and
communication skills.

Bull**** again. Most Canadian police officers are highly trained
professionals, often university educated. You are basing your comments on
decades old stereotypes that are perpetrated by American media portrayals.

The original poster goes over the top but there are police who for whatever
reason seem to lose it once in awhile and the occassional news stories about
corrupt police is a reminder that there are some with little integrity. I
myself had vital evidence in a case withheld by the VPD who also failed to
return some of my belongings.

Did anyone consider that the the rule books on
the use of the taser is flawed?

Did you consider that what may be flawed is the policy on allowing
mentally
ill travellers on planes unescorted?

This person was not known to be mentally ill before the flight.

No independent safety evaluations have
ever been done on the use of tasers. Law enforcement only has the info
from the manufacturer. A taser should only be used in extreme life
threatening situations not as the first line of defense as it has been.

Nope. Police officers should not be expected to allow things to escalate
to
that point if there is a safer means of subduing a person than deadly
force. While tasers have caused some deaths, there has always been some
other factor, usually drugs. never the less, they are much safer than
guns.

This is the first Taser death where it hasn't been found out the guy was
high on cocaine or some other drug.