Unqualified Bookkeepers Allowed to Guarantee for Passports in Canada!! - Repost

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:36:57 -0700, Adenoid Heinkel
wrote:

Not just the US authorities, but also those throughout Europe as well
as Asia should be highly suspicious of ALL Canadian passports and
their holders.

Not only are unqualified bookkeepers approved by the Canadian
government to guarantee people applying for a Canadian passport, but
do not forget the many tens of thousands of Canadian passports
supposed "LOST" each year by the Canadian Passport department.

Quite apart from the thousands of passports fabricated by the
Israelis!!

Now, the USA will require that Canadians entering the USA as of next year
must also have a valid passport.

With lax guarantors in Canada, no wonder the US authorities, and in New
Zealand are concerned!!


On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 18:57:24 -0700, dandelion
wrote:

No wonder the INS makes it difficult for Canadians to enter the USA.

They should make it even harder,especially since thousands of Canadian
passports are stolen with ease each year from Canadian Government
offices, as admitted regularly to media!!

On 26 Sep 2004 12:20:32 -0700,
(HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote:

A qualified Engineer wonders about the so-called standards for a
Guarantor for a Canadian Passport.

Read the article following HIS posting, then complain to your MP.

From: "HCH"
Newsgroups: soc.culture.canada
Subject: The Passport Guarantor
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:19:31 -0400

The information required on the Canadian Passport Application Forms is
weird. This Declaration of Guarantor is really bizarre. Being a
Professional Engineer (I'm retired now), born outside Canada but a
Canadian Citizen, makes me MORE trustworthy than a full-blooded
Canadian who is an Electrician or Carpenter or with whatever trade.
The Application form tells me that a person BORN in Canada and a
trades-person can NOT be trusted; it also tells me that a person with
a professional states + and only 3 years in Canada + a Canadian
citizen CAN be trusted (corrupt or not). Hello, that looks to me as
PURE discrimination. Which THINKING TANK added such a stupid
requirement? They must have been at that day brain-dead. Then further
down the application form TWO more persons are required to vouch for
you. No Passport for you if don't want to involve anyone.

ENOUGH TO CAUSE US IMMIGRATION TO BAR CANADIANS!!
Newsgroups: can.legal,can.general,tor.general,
soc.culture.canada,soc.culture.usa
Subject: Canada Passport Guarantors-WHY Unqualified Bookkeepers!!

Info provided as courtesy to public, under FOI.

Good Morning

I just had a call from the passport office in Ottawa and the PA's have
been officially approved as guarantors for passports as of March 3, 2003.

As the passport office has a loggin to our website to electronically
check for current paid up members, please make sure that all information on
your website listing is correct and up to date and that your account is in
good standing.

Laura Waters-Taverner, PA
President

MEMBERS OF THIS GROUP (professional accountants) ARE NOT RECOGNISED AS
QUALIFIED ACCOUNTANTS, BY THE GOVERNMENT OF ALBERTA, WHO ONLY
RECOGNISE CA, CGA, AND CMA!!

The Canadian Passport Office has no business allowing these
unqualified bookkeepers to be Guarantors for Passports, when even the province
does not recognise them as qualified accountants!!

In fact, these people could even be guaranteeing for undesirable,
criminals, terrorists and others that the USA would like to keep
from entering the USA!!

The phone for MICHAEL HUTTON, Director Passport Canada is:
1-819-994-3530

Even qualified, investigated Commissioners for Oaths are not permitted
as Guarantors for Passports, while unqualified, unvetted bookkeepers
are!!

The US INS are now really getting annoyed with Canada, and Canadian
passports.
They claim that criminals, dope dealers, and even terrorists will now
find it even easier to get Canadian passports.

It seems Passports Canada just does not give a damn!!!

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In can.general George ,firestone@hemispher e.com wrote:
Quite apart from the thousands of passports fabricated by the
Israelis!!

Or given to the Mossad by Canadian Jews.


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widespread and systematic that 'it appears to be sanctioned at some level
as deliberate policy,' perhaps 'to persuade Arabs in occupied territories
that it is least painful to behave passively'"

-Noam Chomsky, The Fateful Triangle, p 127

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Not only are unqualified bookkeepers approved by the Canadian
government to guarantee people applying for a Canadian passport, but

What are you talking about? I have a passport application in my hand
and there's no reference to bookkeepers in the guarantor section..

Al Dente wrote:

Not only are unqualified bookkeepers approved by the Canadian
government to guarantee people applying for a Canadian passport, but

What are you talking about? I have a passport application in my hand
and there's no reference to bookkeepers in the guarantor section..

What makes a person "qualified" to be a guarantor? IMO it should
involve the risk of serious punishment if they falsely guarantee. The
threat of prosecution isn't enough. What stopped my wife from
guaranteeing someone she had known only a few months was not the fear of
gov't prosecution, but the fear of the CGA association suspending or
even expelling her for unethical conduct. Professional associations are
not bound by the same "innocent till proven guilty beyond a reasonable
doubt" constraints. And if you lose your membership, you're out of a
job in the field you worked so hard to attain, perhaps permanently,
everywhere in the country. A very stong incentive to follow the rules.

BTW, the original poster indicated engineers are not allowed. My
passport app says P. Eng's can sign.

Al Dente refers to the CGA association, as though it is comprised of
QUALIFIED accountants!

In Alberta the local CGA association incorporated UNQUALIFIED perons,
without rquiring any upgrading or training classes.

This was done under the aegis of now-disgraced CGA,and ex-FCGA,
William Mearns, the one who went to prison for embezzling $1,400,000
while treasurer of the County of Red Deer Alberta!!

In BC, it was similar, with CGA BC accepting unqualified bookkeepers,
again without any upgrading required.

In other words, CGA in Canada has no validity as far as true
qualifications, and certainly none for integrity.

It seems that the CGA's only wanted more members, so that their
executives could have more money to blow on their expenses....

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 11:21:42 -0400, Al Dente
wrote:

Al Dente wrote:

Not only are unqualified bookkeepers approved by the Canadian
government to guarantee people applying for a Canadian passport, but

What are you talking about? I have a passport application in my hand
and there's no reference to bookkeepers in the guarantor section..

What makes a person "qualified" to be a guarantor? IMO it should
involve the risk of serious punishment if they falsely guarantee. The
threat of prosecution isn't enough. What stopped my wife from
guaranteeing someone she had known only a few months was not the fear of
gov't prosecution, but the fear of the CGA association suspending or
even expelling her for unethical conduct. Professional associations are
not bound by the same "innocent till proven guilty beyond a reasonable
doubt" constraints. And if you lose your membership, you're out of a
job in the field you worked so hard to attain, perhaps permanently,
everywhere in the country. A very stong incentive to follow the rules.

BTW, the original poster indicated engineers are not allowed. My
passport app says P. Eng's can sign.

Al Dente refers to the CGA association, as though it is comprised of
QUALIFIED accountants!

In Alberta the local CGA association incorporated UNQUALIFIED perons,
without rquiring any upgrading or training classes.

This was done under the aegis of now-disgraced CGA,and ex-FCGA,
William Mearns, the one who went to prison for embezzling $1,400,000
while treasurer of the County of Red Deer Alberta!!

In BC, it was similar, with CGA BC accepting unqualified bookkeepers,
again without any upgrading required.

In other words, CGA in Canada has no validity as far as true
qualifications, and certainly none for integrity.

It seems that the CGA's only wanted more members, so that their
executives could have more money to blow on their expenses....

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 11:21:42 -0400, Al Dente
wrote:

Al Dente wrote:

Not only are unqualified bookkeepers approved by the Canadian
government to guarantee people applying for a Canadian passport, but

What are you talking about? I have a passport application in my hand
and there's no reference to bookkeepers in the guarantor section..

What makes a person "qualified" to be a guarantor? IMO it should
involve the risk of serious punishment if they falsely guarantee. The
threat of prosecution isn't enough. What stopped my wife from
guaranteeing someone she had known only a few months was not the fear of
gov't prosecution, but the fear of the CGA association suspending or
even expelling her for unethical conduct. Professional associations are
not bound by the same "innocent till proven guilty beyond a reasonable
doubt" constraints. And if you lose your membership, you're out of a
job in the field you worked so hard to attain, perhaps permanently,
everywhere in the country. A very stong incentive to follow the rules.

BTW, the original poster indicated engineers are not allowed. My
passport app says P. Eng's can sign.

Yes, CGAs are qualified accountants, with standards of education at
least equal to CA's and superior in continuing education. Obviously
there have been bad apples; there are certainly many CA's like that (and
doctores, lawyers, etc.). (In all the corporate scandals, bad audits
were all signed by CAs in Canada or their partners, CPA's in the US.)
It's well known that you can buy a CA's signature on an audit report for
$50. My wife did that once. The CA was an old co-worker who had been
retired for years and had never done any audit work since graduation -
yet the CA association deemed him qualified. When my wife sold her
practice last year, no less than five CA's she'd never met offered to
buy it sight unseen on a dollar for dollar basis. CA's in Ontario took
the stance that all CA's in good standing are always automatically
qualified to sign audits and no one else ever is, in any circumstances,
and even urged all their members to apply for public accounting licences
before the recent rules changes. This absurd extremist view cost them
all credibility. Unfortunately there are still wackos like JamesD
around trying to smear a lot of very qualified hard working people in
order to try to protect what's left of their monopoly.

JamesD wrote:

Al Dente refers to the CGA association, as though it is comprised of
QUALIFIED accountants!

In Alberta the local CGA association incorporated UNQUALIFIED perons,
without rquiring any upgrading or training classes.

This was done under the aegis of now-disgraced CGA,and ex-FCGA,
William Mearns, the one who went to prison for embezzling $1,400,000
while treasurer of the County of Red Deer Alberta!!

In BC, it was similar, with CGA BC accepting unqualified bookkeepers,
again without any upgrading required.

In other words, CGA in Canada has no validity as far as true
qualifications, and certainly none for integrity.

It seems that the CGA's only wanted more members, so that their
executives could have more money to blow on their expenses....

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 11:21:42 -0400, Al Dente
wrote:

Al Dente wrote:

Not only are unqualified bookkeepers approved by the Canadian
government to guarantee people applying for a Canadian passport, but

What are you talking about? I have a passport application in my hand
and there's no reference to bookkeepers in the guarantor section..

What makes a person "qualified" to be a guarantor? IMO it should
involve the risk of serious punishment if they falsely guarantee. The
threat of prosecution isn't enough. What stopped my wife from
guaranteeing someone she had known only a few months was not the fear of
gov't prosecution, but the fear of the CGA association suspending or
even expelling her for unethical conduct. Professional associations are
not bound by the same "innocent till proven guilty beyond a reasonable
doubt" constraints. And if you lose your membership, you're out of a
job in the field you worked so hard to attain, perhaps permanently,
everywhere in the country. A very stong incentive to follow the rules.

BTW, the original poster indicated engineers are not allowed. My
passport app says P. Eng's can sign.

Al Dente refuses to comment on the FACTS presented, regarding
problems with crooked, and unqualified CGA's.
Instead, he complains about crooked CA's - which seems to indicate he
believes that CA stands for CROOKED ACCOUNTANT?

Does this mean CGA stands for CROOKED GARBAGE ACCOUNTANT?

Ask victims of the unqualified bookkeepers who got their CGA in BC and
Alberta, how they felt when the tax department re-assessed, due to
criminal incompetency of their CGA bookkeepers!!

On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:53:21 -0400, Al Dente
wrote:

Yes, CGAs are qualified accountants, with standards of education at
least equal to CA's and superior in continuing education. Obviously
there have been bad apples; there are certainly many CA's like that (and
doctores, lawyers, etc.). (In all the corporate scandals, bad audits
were all signed by CAs in Canada or their partners, CPA's in the US.)
It's well known that you can buy a CA's signature on an audit report for
$50. My wife did that once. The CA was an old co-worker who had been
retired for years and had never done any audit work since graduation -
yet the CA association deemed him qualified. When my wife sold her
practice last year, no less than five CA's she'd never met offered to
buy it sight unseen on a dollar for dollar basis. CA's in Ontario took
the stance that all CA's in good standing are always automatically
qualified to sign audits and no one else ever is, in any circumstances,
and even urged all their members to apply for public accounting licences
before the recent rules changes. This absurd extremist view cost them
all credibility. Unfortunately there are still wackos like JamesD
around trying to smear a lot of very qualified hard working people in
order to try to protect what's left of their monopoly.

JamesD wrote:

Al Dente refers to the CGA association, as though it is comprised of
QUALIFIED accountants!

In Alberta the local CGA association incorporated UNQUALIFIED perons,
without rquiring any upgrading or training classes.

This was done under the aegis of now-disgraced CGA,and ex-FCGA,
William Mearns, the one who went to prison for embezzling $1,400,000
while treasurer of the County of Red Deer Alberta!!

In BC, it was similar, with CGA BC accepting unqualified bookkeepers,
again without any upgrading required.

In other words, CGA in Canada has no validity as far as true
qualifications, and certainly none for integrity.

It seems that the CGA's only wanted more members, so that their
executives could have more money to blow on their expenses....

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 11:21:42 -0400, Al Dente
wrote:

Al Dente wrote:

Not only are unqualified bookkeepers approved by the Canadian
government to guarantee people applying for a Canadian passport, but

What are you talking about? I have a passport application in my hand
and there's no reference to bookkeepers in the guarantor section..

What makes a person "qualified" to be a guarantor? IMO it should
involve the risk of serious punishment if they falsely guarantee. The
threat of prosecution isn't enough. What stopped my wife from
guaranteeing someone she had known only a few months was not the fear of
gov't prosecution, but the fear of the CGA association suspending or
even expelling her for unethical conduct. Professional associations are
not bound by the same "innocent till proven guilty beyond a reasonable
doubt" constraints. And if you lose your membership, you're out of a
job in the field you worked so hard to attain, perhaps permanently,
everywhere in the country. A very stong incentive to follow the rules.

BTW, the original poster indicated engineers are not allowed. My
passport app says P. Eng's can sign.