very important questions about travelling and eating in Europe

(David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

Padraig Breathnach wrote:

Hot dog in France; chien chaud in Quebec.

Quebec and English are strangers grown...

My point is that Quebec and France are strangers grown.

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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:55:03 +0100, (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

John Kulp wrote:

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:42:24 +0100, (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:


3) why the Russian salad is called Salad Olivier in Russia?

For the same reason English muffins are American not English?

Not true, actually. They're often called English muffins here, and US
muffins are called American style, or somesuch.

Are they the same thing or are you just saying that the English have a
muffin called and English muffin? I have never seen what we call an
English muffin (for whatever reason) in England.

You can buy things called "English Muffins" in shops here.

Yup I knew that. I was just talking about that peculiar muffin, which
to my knowledge is only sold in the US, that we call an English muffin
for reasons totally unknown. Until I first travelled to the UK, I had
always thought that they originated there (logical right?). Then I
never found an Englishman that had a clue what I was talking about
when I asked for them.

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:55:22 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
wrote:

(David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

John Kulp wrote:

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:16:44 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
wrote:

UC wrote:

2) why the hot dog is called "Wiener" in Frankfurt and "Frankfurter" in
Wien?

For the same reason it's called the hot dog in the US?

Or perrito caliente in some hispanic countries!

Hot dog in France; chien chaud in Quebec.

It's also called a hot dog in Sweden as well. A French hot dog there
is one inserted in a round bun for some strange reason.

John Kulp wrote:

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:55:03 +0100, (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

John Kulp wrote:

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:42:24 +0100, (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:


3) why the Russian salad is called Salad Olivier in Russia?

For the same reason English muffins are American not English?

Not true, actually. They're often called English muffins here, and US
muffins are called American style, or somesuch.

Are they the same thing or are you just saying that the English have a
muffin called and English muffin? I have never seen what we call an
English muffin (for whatever reason) in England.

You can buy things called "English Muffins" in shops here.

Yup I knew that.

Knew what? I'm talking about "English Muffins" which you can buy, called
the same thing, in UK shops.

I was just talking about that peculiar muffin, which
to my knowledge is only sold in the US, that we call an English muffin
for reasons totally unknown.

It's the same thing.

Until I first travelled to the UK, I had
always thought that they originated there (logical right?). Then I
never found an Englishman that had a clue what I was talking about
when I asked for them.

They're not common here- or, I think, not as much as they used to be. To
tell the truth, I think you've a better chance of buying an 'american'
muffin here, in a cafe etc. We've bought English muffins though. I think
I probably had them for the first time in the decade or so I lived in
the US!

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Padraig Breathnach wrote:

(David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

Padraig Breathnach wrote:

Hot dog in France; chien chaud in Quebec.

Quebec and English are strangers grown...

My point is that Quebec and France are strangers grown.

Quite possible, but I suspect that the reason here is more to do with
English than France...

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is quite a stupid man." Richard Dawkins on Pres. Bush"

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:18:26 +0100, (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

John Kulp wrote:

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:55:03 +0100, (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

John Kulp wrote:

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:42:24 +0100, (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:


3) why the Russian salad is called Salad Olivier in Russia?

For the same reason English muffins are American not English?

Not true, actually. They're often called English muffins here, and US
muffins are called American style, or somesuch.

Are they the same thing or are you just saying that the English have a
muffin called and English muffin? I have never seen what we call an
English muffin (for whatever reason) in England.

You can buy things called "English Muffins" in shops here.

Yup I knew that.

Knew what? I'm talking about "English Muffins" which you can buy, called
the same thing, in UK shops.

I was just talking about that peculiar muffin, which
to my knowledge is only sold in the US, that we call an English muffin
for reasons totally unknown.

It's the same thing.

Learn something new every day. Thanks.

"John Kulp" wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:55:03 +0100, (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:

John Kulp wrote:

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:42:24 +0100, (David Horne,
_the_ chancellor (*)) wrote:


3) why the Russian salad is called Salad Olivier in Russia?

For the same reason English muffins are American not English?

Not true, actually. They're often called English muffins here, and US
muffins are called American style, or somesuch.

Are they the same thing or are you just saying that the English have a
muffin called and English muffin? I have never seen what we call an
English muffin (for whatever reason) in England.

You can buy things called "English Muffins" in shops here.

Yup I knew that. I was just talking about that peculiar muffin, which
to my knowledge is only sold in the US, that we call an English muffin
for reasons totally unknown. Until I first travelled to the UK, I had
always thought that they originated there (logical right?). Then I
never found an Englishman that had a clue what I was talking about
when I asked for them.



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JohnT

They are all based on how people use languages in relationship to
thier everyday life. Locally food and other are usually not named
after the local place but as they spread they tend to be named after
the place they came from. You also get some spread by marketing
using a forgien name to increase sales

1) it is named after the cooking method, french fries is just a
chopped down of french fried potatoes as opposed to french fried
onions. Which is just a translation of pomme frites which translates
to fried(frites is actually deep fried in a French style) potatoes.

2) Vienna and Frankfurt both had a similar product around the same
time. Marketing for the names.

3) See the top for the reason.

4) See the top for the reason, those things were bred in that place.

5) Had to look up this one. From my copy of Larousse Gastromique it
says that it was based on a popular english desert that a spread
through out Europe doing the 19th century

A better question is why is Steak American a raw steak, what Americans
would call steak tartar? So far best answer I have seen for that is
marketing, the wild west image of the US.

On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:16:44 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
wrote:

UC wrote:

5) why zuppa inglese (English soup) is a typical creamy Italian dessert?

Does it resemble what the French call sauce anglaise?

It resembles trifle.
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On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:51:38 GMT, (John Kulp)
wrote:

Are they the same thing or are you just saying that the English have a
muffin called and English muffin? I have never seen what we call an
English muffin (for whatever reason) in England.

The English crumpet is similar to the American English muffin.
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Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup