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"Ron Hunter" wrote in message
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whisky-dave wrote:

It also seems strange that more police get shot in the USA than the UK,
thankfully it's quite rare in the UK.


That might be due to the fact that the US has about 6 times the population
of the UK. Don't you think.

Possibley, but in the UK 'only' 1 or 2 a year are killed if that, it's
quite rare.
I'd 'expect' 6 times more to be killed in the USA, but is that the case ?



Given that so many of the criminals in the US are armed,
Seems they find these self defense weapons easy to get and use for other
purposes.
So why doesn't American ban these guns ?
Why is it so many criminals in the US have guns, are they legal guns .


it is rather amazing that more aren't killed.

Are you suggesting that overall there's some link between the number of guns
in a society
and the number of people killed by guns ???????


It is still true that most police officers will never fire
their gun except at the pistol range during a normal career.

Seems a waste of time having them then doesn't it.
Why not carry a knife.


Don't believe all those cop shows. They don't represent reality very well.
well I realise that, hope you think the same about UK TV.

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"Ron Hunter" wrote in message
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whisky-dave wrote:

It also seems strange that more police get shot in the USA than the UK,
thankfully it's quite rare in the UK.


That might be due to the fact that the US has about 6 times the population
of the UK. Don't you think.

Possibley, but in the UK 'only' 1 or 2 a year are killed if that, it's
quite rare.

I think it is quite a few more than that.

So why doesn't American ban these guns ?

In the same way setting speed limits solves nothing. Baning a type of
gun where you don't know where the majority of them are and who
specifically has them will mean that they will still be out in
circulation

the UK bans only worked because the Police knew EXACTLY where ALL of the
guns were

Are you suggesting that overall there's some link between the number of guns
in a society
and the number of people killed by guns ???????

No. I am not. There is a lot more to it than that.

It is still true that most police officers will never fire
their gun except at the pistol range during a normal career.
Seems a waste of time having them then doesn't it.
Why not carry a knife.

For the same reason careful drivers have issuance. You never know what
lunatic is just around the corner. Besides when armed police turn up you
either fight (and usually loose) or talk to them and for most minor
crimes it is stupid to start shooting.

Ie if I get pulled over for speeding shooting my way out is just landing
myself in more trouble.


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I suspect there are plenty of guns still in England. Unless
your population is very, very docile, there would be at
least a few which are quietly held.

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"Chris H" wrote in message
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the UK bans only worked because the Police knew EXACTLY
where ALL of the
guns were

Stormin Mormon wrote:

Unless
your population is very, very docile, there would be at
least a few which are quietly held.

Otherwise, they'd be held even quieter?

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I suspect there are plenty of guns still in England. Unless
your population is very, very docile, there would be at
least a few which are quietly held.

None legally held BUT estimates are that there are a vast number of
illegal guns. The majority held by criminals but probably a small
number by "law abiding citizens" who have one in the attic for when the
world ends.


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Stormin Mormon wrote:

I suspect there are plenty of guns still in England. Unless
your population is very, very docile, there would be at
least a few which are quietly held.


Why on earth would you think that?

There's less than one policeman for every 1,000 people in most of the UK
(London has roughly twice the number of cops than the rest of the UK when
counted as a percentage of the population)

With those sort of numbers the word you're looking for isn't 'docile' it's
'reasonably happy'.

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Stormin Mormon wrote:

I suspect there are plenty of guns still in England. Unless
your population is very, very docile, there would be at
least a few which are quietly held.


Why on earth would you think that?

Because he understands people. I would agree with him There probably
are a small number of guns illegally held by people who are otherwise
pillars of the community

There's less than one policeman for every 1,000 people in most of the UK
(London has roughly twice the number of cops than the rest of the UK when
counted as a percentage of the population)
Most Capital cities have.

With those sort of numbers the word you're looking for isn't 'docile' it's
'reasonably happy'.

You don't get out much do you?


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I suspect there are plenty of guns still in England. Unless
your population is very, very docile, there would be at least
a few which are quietly held.

Held since when? WW1? Where on earth would they have come from?


None legally held BUT estimates are that there are a vast number of
illegal guns.

For a rather small value of "vast".

(UK residents only). Compare the number of times you've been around
illegal drugs with the number of times you've been in the presence of
an illegal firearm. The deterrent sentences are of the same order,
so the incentive for concealment is about the same, and guns are a
lot harder to conceal. I suppose I've been in the same room as drugs
with a street value in five or six figures over my lifetime, and never
once seen an illegal firearm or met anyone in person who claimed to
own one.


The majority held by criminals but probably a small number by "law
abiding citizens" who have one in the attic for when the world ends.

Buying one has never been easy or common in the UK, regardless of
what the law has said at various times. Mostly, people have seen
them as a waste of money which would have been better spent on a
sewing machine, a better stove, drink, tickets for Marie Lloyd at
the music hall or a new Wii accessory.

Almost all people in the UK think guns are boring and their owners
are creepy. (Americans who rabbit on about them on Usenet reinforce
that perception with every message they post).

Literature gives you a picture of how prevalent they've been over
time. How many characters in Dickens, Hardy or D.H. Lawrence owned
them? You will quite frequently find characters in American fiction
owning a gun despite being neither a cop, a neo-Nazi or a drug dealer.
That is just about never the case in British writing; an author who
tried it would come across as an American who'd never been here (as
you do).

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"Ron Hunter" wrote in message
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whisky-dave wrote:
It also seems strange that more police get shot in the USA than the UK,
thankfully it's quite rare in the UK.


That might be due to the fact that the US has about 6 times the population
of the UK. Don't you think.
Possibley, but in the UK 'only' 1 or 2 a year are killed if that, it's
quite rare.

I think it is quite a few more than that.

So why doesn't American ban these guns ?

In the same way setting speed limits solves nothing. Baning a type of
gun where you don't know where the majority of them are and who
specifically has them will mean that they will still be out in
circulation

the UK bans only worked because the Police knew EXACTLY where ALL of the
guns were

Are you suggesting that overall there's some link between the number of guns
in a society
and the number of people killed by guns ???????

No. I am not. There is a lot more to it than that.

It is still true that most police officers will never fire
their gun except at the pistol range during a normal career.
Seems a waste of time having them then doesn't it.
Why not carry a knife.

For the same reason careful drivers have issuance. You never know what
lunatic is just around the corner. Besides when armed police turn up you
either fight (and usually loose) or talk to them and for most minor
crimes it is stupid to start shooting.

Ie if I get pulled over for speeding shooting my way out is just landing
myself in more trouble.


Still, people try it several hundred times in a year. Running from the
police is usually a way to just make the bill higher, but people seem to
get a thrill out of it, so away they go.

Stormin Mormon wrote:
I suspect there are plenty of guns still in England. Unless
your population is very, very docile, there would be at
least a few which are quietly held.

Yes, I wonder how many of those previously legal guns were reported
stolen a few days before the deadline for turning them in....