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Old December 14th, 2006, 05:57 PM posted to alt.atheism,alt.abortion,rec.travel.air,soc.culture.jewish
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"Laura Sanchez" wrote in message
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Too bad Christianity doesn't return the favor.



Excuse me? It's Christians that are the only ones defending Israel and
denouncing anti-Semitism.


Excuse me? Christians used to burn Jews at the stake.
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Einstein without any effort. - Denis Loubet


  #102  
Old December 14th, 2006, 06:17 PM posted to alt.atheism,alt.abortion,rec.travel.air,soc.culture.jewish
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On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:38:26 -0800, markzoom wrote:


Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:02:49 -0800, Laura Sanchez wrote:

Too bad Christianity doesn't return the favor.


Excuse me? It's Christians that are the only ones defending Israel and
denouncing anti-Semitism.


By refusing to add a menorah to the airport display?


It's not just some kind of festive decoration.
The menorah is the NATIONAL EMBLEM OF THE "STATE" OF ISRAEL Like the
eagle is to the US!:

http://www.science.co.il/Israel-Emblem.asp

I would find it highly offensive to have an 8 foot foreign state
emblem displayed by legal imposition in my country. But hey, maybe
yanks should know who their real masters are.


That's stupid. Doesn't matter what it means in Israel, this isn't Israel.
Here, many regard it as a religious symbol. If we're going to let one
religious symbol be displayed on public property at public expense, we
should let all of them be displayed.

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  #103  
Old December 14th, 2006, 06:32 PM posted to alt.abortion,alt.anarchism,alt.atheism,rec.travel.air,soc.culture.jewish
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James A. Donald wrote in message
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"James A. Donald"
Christmas is a universal celebration,
heavily celebrated by pagans such as
Chinese and Japanese. It is intended to be
universal.


"
Christmas is a Christian holiday.



And everyone I know who calls themselves Xian would be
offended at any suggestuion otherwise.


Sounds like you don't know too many Christians.

Who was suing against what display of Xmas trees?


Past experience shows any concessions would swiftly be
followed by new grievances from new people. There would
be no end of it. Saying that all this guy wanted was a
menorah is like saying that all the Palestinians want is
security in their land rights and the release of
prisoners. Satisfy one grievance, and you get a dozen
more, for the real grievance is Christmas itself, as
flavia and dsharavi's remarks reveal. If Christmas is
a strictly Christian holiday, then any observance of it
whatsoever, such as everyone taking a holiday at the
same time, is a grievance and an offense.


So, not going to answer the question then James?
Who was suing against what display of Xmas trees?

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right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.

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  #105  
Old December 14th, 2006, 06:36 PM posted to alt.abortion,alt.anarchism,alt.atheism,rec.travel.air,soc.culture.jewish
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James A. Donald wrote in message
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"brique"
Nobody was 'sueing against the display of trees'. a
rabbi threatened to sue if the airport did not also
display symbols of his religion alongside the trees.


But they were displaying trees, and not a manger,
because the manger is a symbol of the Christian
religion, and the trees are not.


Hey, sorry if the facts upset your little pre-programmed rant.... but there
you go....


Further, past experience has shown you cannot settle
this dispute by concessions. Any concession is met by
further demands from additional complainants, for the
real grievance is Christmas itself, as several people in
this thread have made abundantly clear.


Past experience..... so, you are giving up on your libertarian campaign
against the state then? After all, they can't concede anything to you, you
will only ask for more......


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We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.

http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald



  #106  
Old December 14th, 2006, 06:37 PM posted to alt.anarchism,alt.atheism,rec.travel.air,soc.culture.jewish
brique
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Anarcissie wrote in message
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Sancho Panza wrote:
"James A. Donald" wrote in message
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"brique"
Nobody was 'sueing against the display of trees'. a
rabbi threatened to sue if the airport did not also
display symbols of his religion alongside the trees.

But they were displaying trees, and not a manger,
because the manger is a symbol of the Christian
religion, and the trees are not.


If the trees are not a religious symbol, why is there so much fervor to
display them?


Yes, that's the question. Why is it so important?


I'ts a convenient hook for every nutcase in usenet to
pontificate.......thats the point....




  #107  
Old December 14th, 2006, 06:41 PM posted to alt.abortion,alt.anarchism,alt.atheism,rec.travel.air,soc.culture.jewish
brique
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Cary Kittrell wrote in message
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In article "brique"

writes:

Cary Kittrell wrote in message
...
In article James A.

Donald
writes:
Mike Hunt
The issue isn't that the Rabbi wanted the
Christmas ornaments removed, but he wanted
representation of his religion a this public
facility.

James A. Donald:
Christmas is a universal celebration,


No, it is not. The fact that some people have
secularized it changes nothing.

So you are worried that people might look at the
Christmas tree and THINK of a manger?

Sure sounds like war on Christmas.

Sounds like a bar fight against Christmas -- an
isolated incident. A war would be large
numbers of complaints or lawsuits against
displays which contain no specifically
Christian symbolism. Yet this is the only
story of this nature I am aware of which
did not involve things such a manger, wise
men, or other related icons.


The joke is that the decorated tree is a pagan symbol, adopted by

germans
christians, imported into England and popularised by the Victorians and
thence spread world-wide.

It has no relationship to the christian nativity tale at all.


Yeppers, not an authentic Christian symbol, like, say....um, bunnies
and eggs at Easter?


More pagan symbols.... fertility and all that..... unless the rabbit
symbolises the resurrection. because it can get it up so many times a
day..... and the egg, why that symbolises the slaughtered foetii of all that
years abortions..... and....up..... ribbons.... the ribbon signifies....
um...... oh the Crown of Thorns.... yep..blood red ribbons....
and.....mmm.... chocolate.. yep, dark chocolate bunnies signify the bitter
tears of the Lord and the sweet milky chocolate bunnies are Yoru reward in
heaven! Say, this religion bull**** symbolism is dead easy......

-- cary



  #109  
Old December 14th, 2006, 06:57 PM posted to alt.atheism,alt.abortion,alt.anarchism,rec.travel.air,soc.culture.jewish
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

I notice nobody asking why it is tax money has to be spent on ornaments
rather than silly things like, you know, fixing potholes or even something
really absurd like airport security...


That attitude could help explain why socialist countries have such a
reputation for being ugly, spirit-killing places.

  #110  
Old December 14th, 2006, 07:12 PM posted to alt.atheism,alt.abortion,rec.travel.air,soc.culture.jewish
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:02:49 -0800, Laura Sanchez wrote:

Too bad Christianity doesn't return the favor.



Excuse me? It's Christians that are the only ones defending Israel and
denouncing anti-Semitism.


By refusing to add a menorah to the airport display?


If there's a choice between displaying all religions and displaying
none - and that was ultimately the choice - then the better option is
to display none.

Christmas trees are nonreligious as all obvious traces of Christianity
are removed (a nativity scene would constitute an obvious Christian
element). Christmas is in fact a federal holiday and therefore secular
(since the federal state is secular), and so to celebrate Christmas is
not, by itself, to celebrate Christianity. Of course a display that
refers not only to Christmas but also to Christ is not secular. Thus
Santa is secular and Christmas trees are secular, but the nativity
scene is not secular.

However, if it is tragically and incorrectly decided in the courts that
to display Christmas trees is to endorse Christianity, then Christmas
trees should be removed rather than overtly religious displays such as
menorahs, nativity scenes, and the like, added.

None of this harms Israel or endorses anti-semitism, so it is
orthogonal to the question of whether Christians defend Israel and
denounce anti-semitism.

 




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