Jews Strive To Restore Christmas Trees At Seattle Airport

Tchiowa wrote:
Mike Hunt wrote:
The issue isn't that the Rabbi wanted the Christmas ornaments removed,
but he wanted representation of his religion a this public facility.

That request was denied, even though the last Supreme Court case on the
subject agreed with the Rabbi.

The fact that the airport management took down the Christmas ornaments
leads me to believe that they knew they were in violation of that ruling
. Why didn't they simply allow the Menorah to be displayed? Could it be
they are anti-semitic

Could it be because the official national holiday is Christmas, not
Hannukah? Putting up a menorrah for Christmas makes no more sense than
putting up an Easter Bunny for Halloween. Wrong holiday.

Should there be a Jewish holiday? Should the US have a holiday for the
Eid that ends Ramadan? Maybe. But that's another issue. We have a
holiday that celebrates Christmas and like it our not this is a
Christian holiday. If someone doesn't like it he doesn't have to
participate. But unless you want to try to ban Christmas then people
should grow up and leave it alone.

How can you not "participate"? Christians and other fans of
the holiday -- especially merchants -- run the holiday down your
throat, starting in late October.

Since the holiday is really about spending money you don't
have to buy stuff no one wants, it really ought to be called
Consumermas or Capitalismmas. It is true a fairy tale about
a religious figure or two is associated with it, but no one
seems to take them very seriously except as magic dolls.

http://www.xmasresistance.org

Anarcissie wrote:
Tchiowa wrote:
How can you not "participate"? Christians and other fans of
the holiday -- especially merchants -- run the holiday down your
throat, starting in late October.


Not around here. There were some serious sales displays in early October
this year.

On 12-Dec-2006, "Sancho Panza" wrote:

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
writes:

Except for that holy day of obligation & all that.

I've never heard of that. What is it?

It's what Xmas is.

We are not frightened by this age-old, and still lame, threat.

"We"?

It's not a threat, it's an observation.

Oh, yeah, I believe that.

If you want people to like
you, you should avoid doing things that alienate them.

Which is not really what was said, either - but is still a threat,
given that he refuses to apply it the other way around.

Is that referring to Christians, Jews, Muslims or just who?

He'll pretend it's all people, but it's something that his ilk has
told Jews time and again. "Behave or we'll kill you", "behave"
meaning "accept any crap we throw at you."

Susan

On 12-Dec-2006, "Sancho Panza" wrote:

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
Sancho Panza writes:

Is that referring to Christians, Jews, Muslims or just who?

It refers to human beings in general. Very few people are capable of
being kind and fair to people they dislike.

Do Jews or Buddhists or Taoists "dislike" the other groups in the sense
that
they are "disliked" by others?

And why is it that he refuses to aplly to XIans what he is, in this
instance, applying to Jews (& only pretending to apply to others)?
Why is it that he automatically puts Xians in the place of doling
out the kindness and "others" in the poition of EARNING it - and
NOT the other way around.

Susan

On 12-Dec-2006, "Anarcissie" wrote:

I think it is funny the way Christians talk about a "war
against Christmas" when in fact Christmas is a Christian
war against everybody else.

Of course.
Same as when they scream that "their rights are being violated".
It's *always* a case of their "rights" to force their religion on
everyone else.

Susan

On 12-Dec-2006, James A. Donald wrote:

Mike Hunt
The issue isn't that the Rabbi wanted the Christmas
ornaments removed, but he wanted representation of his
religion a this public facility.

Christmas is a universal celebration,

No, it is not.
The fact that some people have secularized it changes nothing.
Any XIan who is insulted by "Happy Holidays" is exactly the
sort of arrogant bigot we are complaining about.

Susan

On 12-Dec-2006, James A. Donald wrote:

"James A. Donald"
Christmas is a universal celebration, heavily
celebrated by pagans such as Chinese and Japanese.
It is intended to be universal.

"Sancho Panza"
A noble sentiment, but far far far from anywhere near
reality.

Observe Singapore at Christmas time.

Which means only that they have taken the secular aspects
they like and abandoned the rest - which is the real affront to
Xmas.

Christmas is
universal, except among those nursing grievances against
Christianity and Christians.

Anyone who thinks this is the one nursing grievances.

Susan

On 12-Dec-2006, James A. Donald wrote:

Mike Hunt
The issue isn't that the Rabbi wanted the Christmas
ornaments removed, but he wanted representation of his
religion a this public facility.

That request was denied, even though the last Supreme
Court case on the subject agreed with the Rabbi.

This may come as a big surprise, but some people do not
want to spend several million dollars on litigation.

So they should have accomodated him they they*should* have.

There was no possibility of a settlement.

There was no initial threat of a lawsuit, either.
I read the article - you obviously didn't.

If they gave
him less than he wants, they go to court. If they give
him everything he wants, everyone lines up asking for a
piece of the action.

IOW, rather than be asinclusive as they should be, they screwed the Xians.

Susan

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
Mike Hunt writes:

For many Jewish people, the same is true of Hanukah

Then there should be no problem trading it for a similar holiday at a
similar time of year. Especially since the majority of the population
prefers Christmas trees to menorahs.

****, I'd rather have a menorah. Doesn't take up my entire living room,
doesn't need to be watered and doesn't shed pine needles all over the
freakin' floor.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
I think religion is so popular because even the village idiot can feel like
Einstein without any effort. - Denis Loubet

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"James A. Donald"
Christmas is a universal celebration, heavily
celebrated by pagans such as Chinese and
Japanese. It is intended to be universal.

"Sancho Panza"
A noble sentiment, but far far far from anywhere
near reality.

James A. Donald:
Observe Singapore at Christmas time.


Which means only that they have taken the secular
aspects they like and abandoned the rest - which is
the real affront to Xmas.

But you guys are trying to suppress even the secular
aspects of Christmas - you were suing against the
display of Christmas trees, not the display of stables
and mangers. You are suing against the stuff that
people see in Singapore

"James A. Donald"
Christmas is universal, except among those nursing
grievances against Christianity and Christians.


Anyone who thinks this is the one nursing grievances.

The remarks made by the posters in this thread
demonstrate the truth of what I said.

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of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
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