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US Tourist Visa
dude, you may reject visa applicants but just don't pocket their hard earned
money, ok? **** u americans. ya going down, boy. "USA" wrote in message ... "Yaofeng" wrote in message om... Many of us know that after 9/11, the US State department raised Visa processing fees for citizens of those countries that need a Visa to enter the US across the board to $100, citing additional costs due to security and background checks. Naturally many of those countries reciprocated the favor by charging the same amount to US citizens applying Visas to visit them. Recently over a casual conversation with a friend from China, I was outraged by the action of the Visa section of US Consulate in Beijing. The parents of this young man, who live in Shang-Dong, probably a few hundred miles from Beijing, wanted to come see him. So they travel by train to Beijing to apply for Visa. AFAIK, there are only 5 or 6 US Consulate offices across all of China. Shang-Dong is under the Beijing Consulate Office jurisdiction. His parents paid $100 each to get Visa and was denied. The reason was they were suspect of immigration incliniation. Naturally the $200 was pocketed by the US Consulate. If they want to apply again, they risk another $200 loss not knowing if the Visas will be granted. Is the State Department in the business of making money? When we paid $100 to get Visa to go to any God forsaken country, we don't like it but one thing we know is we will get the Visa. Plus $100 is just a nuisance, not a big deal. But $100 to folks in many other countries is a big deal. It may be several months salary. And to get their money then deny entry. That's robbery. How much we have changed from "give me you tired, your poor..." to "give me you affluent, your brightest.." They lost the $100 per visa and were denied issuance based on "immigration inclination". That basis would not exist if the problem of illegal immigration by chinese nationals wasn't a problem with the US, or many other countries for that matter. Chinese emigration itself would not be a problem if China were a country that provided a sound economy, population planning and a democratic lifestyle so that so many people living in China would not want to emmigrate. So who do you blame? |
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and you are correct in that IF the app is denied, the money should be
returned, otherwise it's a revenue souce without justification... Perhaps a (free) "pre-qualification" check to see if the app has a chance of being approved? (sort of like pre-qual in a loan - you wouldn't go into the fees IF you knew you wouldn't be approved) "betelnut" wrote in message le.rogers.com... dude, you may reject visa applicants but just don't pocket their hard earned money, ok? **** u americans. ya going down, boy. "USA" wrote in message ... "Yaofeng" wrote in message om... Many of us know that after 9/11, the US State department raised Visa processing fees for citizens of those countries that need a Visa to enter the US across the board to $100, citing additional costs due to security and background checks. Naturally many of those countries reciprocated the favor by charging the same amount to US citizens applying Visas to visit them. Recently over a casual conversation with a friend from China, I was outraged by the action of the Visa section of US Consulate in Beijing. The parents of this young man, who live in Shang-Dong, probably a few hundred miles from Beijing, wanted to come see him. So they travel by train to Beijing to apply for Visa. AFAIK, there are only 5 or 6 US Consulate offices across all of China. Shang-Dong is under the Beijing Consulate Office jurisdiction. His parents paid $100 each to get Visa and was denied. The reason was they were suspect of immigration incliniation. Naturally the $200 was pocketed by the US Consulate. If they want to apply again, they risk another $200 loss not knowing if the Visas will be granted. Is the State Department in the business of making money? When we paid $100 to get Visa to go to any God forsaken country, we don't like it but one thing we know is we will get the Visa. Plus $100 is just a nuisance, not a big deal. But $100 to folks in many other countries is a big deal. It may be several months salary. And to get their money then deny entry. That's robbery. How much we have changed from "give me you tired, your poor..." to "give me you affluent, your brightest.." They lost the $100 per visa and were denied issuance based on "immigration inclination". That basis would not exist if the problem of illegal immigration by chinese nationals wasn't a problem with the US, or many other countries for that matter. Chinese emigration itself would not be a problem if China were a country that provided a sound economy, population planning and a democratic lifestyle so that so many people living in China would not want to emmigrate. So who do you blame? |
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Yaofeng wrote: (Philip George) wrote in message ... I'm not sure that the US charging $100 for visas is going to hurt tourism that much as most of the big money comes from citizens of states on the Visa Waiver Program. As at least one poster noted, the State Department got it all wrong denying entry to those who made the effort to pay the fee and applied for Visas. If one bothers to apply, in this particular case older folks in their 60's, maybe even 70's, he will likely come and go back. Many older people immigrate illegally and stay with relatives. These folks may not be big spenders as tourists from other more affluent areas you pointed out. I am quite sure the business activities generated far out pace the $100 imposed. Plane ticket costs $700 to $900 alone. Those who came in illegally did so through variuos other means. Then you proceed to describe people that came illegally because they can't get a visa. There are many people that enter legally and then stay illegally, but I guess that is OK, right. The second largest group of people living and workign here illegally are those from Canada. But, unlike a lot of Mexicans, they got to enter legally. When was the last time you heard Immigration rounding up a bunch of Canadians working illegally? |
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betelnut wrote:
dude, you may reject visa applicants but just don't pocket their hard earned money, ok? **** u americans. ya going down, boy. Processing rejections takes money also. |
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On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:52:39 GMT "DALing" daling43[delete]-at-hotmail.com
wrote: :and you are correct in that IF the app is denied, the money should be :returned, otherwise it's a revenue souce without justification... False. It is a fee to pay for the checks. Absolutely no reason, AT ALL, that American taxpayers should fund the visa checks.. : Perhaps a :(free) "pre-qualification" check to see if the app has a chance of being :approved? (sort of like pre-qual in a loan - you wouldn't go into the fees :IF you knew you wouldn't be approved) The web site is quite clear about conditions that would make a visa unlikely and is quite clear that the fee is non-refundable. Nobody is forced to visit the USA. Nobody is forced to apply for a visa. It is a choice. :"betelnut" wrote in message able.rogers.com... : dude, you may reject visa applicants but just don't pocket their hard :earned : money, ok? **** u americans. ya going down, boy. : : : "USA" wrote in message : ... : : "Yaofeng" wrote in message : om... : Many of us know that after 9/11, the US State department raised Visa : processing fees for citizens of those countries that need a Visa to : enter the US across the board to $100, citing additional costs due to : security and background checks. Naturally many of those countries : reciprocated the favor by charging the same amount to US citizens : applying Visas to visit them. : : Recently over a casual conversation with a friend from China, I was : outraged by the action of the Visa section of US Consulate in Beijing. : The parents of this young man, who live in Shang-Dong, probably a few : hundred miles from Beijing, wanted to come see him. So they travel by : train to Beijing to apply for Visa. AFAIK, there are only 5 or 6 US : Consulate offices across all of China. Shang-Dong is under the : Beijing Consulate Office jurisdiction. His parents paid $100 each to : get Visa and was denied. The reason was they were suspect of : immigration incliniation. Naturally the $200 was pocketed by the US : Consulate. If they want to apply again, they risk another $200 loss : not knowing if the Visas will be granted. : : Is the State Department in the business of making money? When we paid : $100 to get Visa to go to any God forsaken country, we don't like it : but one thing we know is we will get the Visa. Plus $100 is just a : nuisance, not a big deal. But $100 to folks in many other countries : is a big deal. It may be several months salary. And to get their : money then deny entry. That's robbery. : : How much we have changed from "give me you tired, your poor..." to : "give me you affluent, your brightest.." : : They lost the $100 per visa and were denied issuance based on :"immigration : inclination". : That basis would not exist if the problem of illegal immigration by : chinese : nationals : wasn't a problem with the US, or many other countries for that matter. : Chinese emigration itself would not be a problem if China were a country : that provided : a sound economy, population planning and a democratic lifestyle so that :so : many people : living in China would not want to emmigrate. : So who do you blame? : : : : : : -- Binyamin Dissen http://www.dissensoftware.com |
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But it is completely wrong to focus the spot light on Chinese
immigrants. According the US state department's statisitics. The total number of estimated illegal immigrants to the US never ranked higher than 20th among the world nations. The 1st place, of course goes naturally to Mexico. I hate to say it, though, but US citizens going somewhere bring a lot of economic influence (read that as "money") with them and spend it and GO HOME. Visitors to the US from poorer (as in "underdevloped") nations tend to "just stay". The gummint is trying to stop "defacto" immigration. |
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"Yaofeng" wrote in message om... (Philip George) wrote in message ... I'm not sure that the US charging $100 for visas is going to hurt tourism that much as most of the big money comes from citizens of states on the Visa Waiver Program. As at least one poster noted, the State Department got it all wrong denying entry to those who made the effort to pay the fee and applied for Visas. If one bothers to apply, in this particular case older folks in their 60's, maybe even 70's, he will likely come and go back. That is patternly not true. Many of them come and stay. These folks may not be big spenders as tourists from other more affluent areas you pointed out. I am quite sure the business activities generated far out pace the $100 imposed. Plane ticket costs $700 to $900 alone. Those who came in illegally did so through variuos other means. They enter the US most likely by not going through customs. How? I don't know. I may be guilty of finger pointing many of those people from central and south America in my neighborhood doing yard work, in restaurant or other businesses performing menial labor as illegal immigrants, I know our borders are far from impervious. |
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"DALing" daling43[delete]-at-hotmail.com wrote: I hate to say it, though, but US citizens going somewhere bring a lot of economic influence (read that as "money") with them and spend it and GO HOME. Visitors to the US from poorer (as in "underdevloped") nations tend to "just stay". The gummint is trying to stop "defacto" immigration. I am not sure if that much is spent/ may brng in forex to those countries wich lack it. The freespenders are the business travellers who wll pay the reciprocity fees or whatever. |
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Peter L wrote:
Then it becomes a contest to see who need tourists more. I am thinking with a much larger and more diverse economy, the US is able to absorb this spitting contest better than these other countries. But, for the US it wasn't a spitting content, just a need to raise fees to cover costs as required by the law. Now, I agree that it might cost more to process some visas and less to process others, but there is nothing in the law requiring DOS to make it that granular. It's like health insurance. I might pay the same as you, but that doesn't mean the insurance company makes (or loses) the same amount of money. We both might pay the same rate to get into Disneyland, but that doesn't mean we will ride the same rides. |
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