How bad is Pattaya now?

Disenchanting Pattaya
By PattayaSigel


You said it many times before. That this will be the last time you are
going to come here. That staying in Pattaya is a waste of time and a
sacrilege to the many places in SEA which offer cleaner beaches,
friendlier locals, safer infrastructure, classier nightlife and simply
a better vibe. You always came up with excuses such as having a
girlfriend there as well as a harem of regular girls from which to
choose or the cheap food and booze, the convenience of getting around,
the refreshing evening breeze or enjoying a sunset on the beach among
a plethora of gogo bars. And you always mentioned that despite the
obviously predatory nature of this capital of sins there were always
the smiles which made you feel comfortably welcome and let you forget
that you are in fact only in the biggest brothel in the world. This
time though it is a real challenge to come up with any reasonable
argument that justifies the month that you just spent there.

The girlfriend is no longer working in the pool hall and has gone to
sell shirts in a Bangkok mall because she could not put up with
serving the old, dubious farangs, sleazy Thais and stupid bargirls
anymore who came to play at her venue every day. Your selection of
regular girls all were very busy with customers during this peak
season or have left for good, leaving you with no choice than to start
at zero again and go through the “what your name, where you from, how
long stay Thailand” routine just like anybody else. The fact that you
can meanwhile make those basic conversations in Thai does nothing more
than to provoke the question of whether you work here. It simply
signals to them that you know far more than you should and lessens
their interest in you in no time. Why did you not just train to
convincingly tell them that it was your first holiday in Thailand
instead of learning all that vocabulary?! Or do newbies get the same
rough treatment? Is there still some magic for someone who has never
visited Walking Street before? If so, the fascination surely wanes
faster than ever before even for first-timers. The fun is spoiled by
the bluntness of the girls, the mockery of touts and street vendors,
the arrogance of service staff and a generally mercenary vibe.

Please don't make the same mistake again. Don't just ignore and forget
the many upsetting situations you experienced during that holiday and
pretend that just all was good and well. Or do you really like to get
physically grabbed by those slimy Indian tailors ten times per day
anywhere in this city? Do you like to get ambiguous calls from
disgusting katoeys out of the bushes on your way to a quiet place on
Naklua Beach? Do you enjoy the foul smell that lingers everywhere? Or
how about that evening when you made the mistake to sit down on one of
those benches on Beach Road that are occupied by street whores to take
a rest and drink your water? Once they found out that you are not
going to buy their services and told you to “fcuk off” because you
disturbed their business did that not harm your ego? Being told where
to go by an ugly bitch in a public place, is that really on your list
of events that make an enjoyable holiday? So much as you wanted to
start a dispute and set her up with some Arabs for a gang bang to give
her a right seeing to you knew there was no point and the only way in
such situations is to vote with your feet. Probably not set feet in
that city again would be the best conclusion but can you find a better
alternative?

Unfortunately it seems that you have not learned much as previous
holidays have already taught you that there is hardly any point to the
way you used to try to get gratification from partaking in the bar
scene. The gogo girl who refuses a 20 baht tip from the final bill
because it will bring “bad luck for future tips” in the evening is not
the exception. They will always ask for more anyway so screw 'em. Mind
you, you bought her a lady drink already for which you have no-one to
blame but yourself. You did right in just taking back the money and
leaving without looking back. All those cynical wais and the acted
courtesy of service staff only gets on your nerves so it's best not to
look at anybody. In fact the day that you decided not to tip anything
at all anymore in nightlife venues was the wisest decision you made
this year. Even if it means that you will be called “kee neow” or “jai
dam” every time you check your bin you felt that your karma was much
improved when you spent some of the saved tips on really harder
working street vendors which are carrying their trade on a shouldered
pole or mutilated beggars. At least they still show a little bit of
honest gratitude. Also, you have to admit that there is some
satisfaction from feeding on the delicious free barbecues which are
always on display at birthday parties in the beer bars while sipping
your 35 baht happy hour beer. Well, you know to behave yourself and
usually left a generous 5 baht tip for the food.

Of course you were not surprised when in that sorry excuse of a soi 8
coyote bar at 8:45 PM you get a bill for the full price of your San
Miguel light whereas the happy hour clearly runs until 9 PM. You have
been to that country often enough and know that there is no point in
making a fuss over a few baht. But the place of venues you had to
cross off your list due to either bad entertainment or bad treatment
was getting so long that you were starting to get hard pressed to find
adequate replacements for the next night. One of the dancers in there
even addressed you with her worries about her Australian boyfriend
(who of course she never cheats on) who lagged behind in sending over
the regular 40,000 baht for more than a month already. Now she did not
know how to pay the rent for her house which resulted in her having to
“work” again – well that cheered you up! You enjoyed watching her
closer after that and wondered what she was capable of doing in order
to justify such a lofty stipend. Cute sure, sexy yes, but the stretch
marks showed off previous childbirth which simply seems to be the norm
these days for girls in most venues in Pattaya and heavily reduces the
attractiveness, not so much of the body but of the woman itself, for
this means that she is just after a supporter, not after someone to
really share her life with.

You have to realize that the days where easily obtainable GFEs were
the norm in Pattaya are over. You get older and the girls get more
money hungry. If the trend continues, and it won't reverse for sure,
then in a few years Pattaya will just be like a bigger version of
Amsterdam's red-light district. Short time the norm or maybe hostess
like arrangements with previously set terms. No more “up-to-yous”! The
girls really cut into their own flesh though because those “romances”
are what brought them sponsors who financed bikes, cars, houses or
left them with the inheritance. However, the way they behave nowadays
even the most desperate guys will start to ask questions (but more and
more girls seem to get their stipends out of online relationships
anyway...) Will a few naked gogo girls blotched in tattoos and stretch
marks and some grumpy massage ladies still justify the long trip then?
Maybe still attractive for retirees who need someone to look after
them but for young guys on holiday a waste of time and opportunities.

Most girls were less than entertaining and did very little to cheer
you up. In fact their behaviour ranged anywhere from extremely silly
to downright offensive. It really seemed to have worsened a lot in the
2 years you have been coming to Pattaya! They play all tricks of the
trade without the blink of an eye. They lack the least bit of empathy
which reportedly was once one of the biggest draws of the women of
this country. Now they are as superficial and at the same time as
selfish as it gets. How can they keep getting away with that? Are
there really enough guys who are ignorant enough that this does not
bother them and hence continue handing over the cash? It takes a real
simpleton to overlook all these obvious flaws and the overall sadness
and dirtiness of the place at this point in time. Of course, to be
fair, the behaviour and appearance of most guys who frequent Pattaya
does little to change the appalling attitude of the locals. There is
just way too much **** involved from both sides these days. But as
much as the guys are to blame for having a hard time separating “good
girls” from “bad girls” and often ending up staying with the wrong
one, you often feel that the girls are not much better in deciding who
would be good for them in the long term. That's probably why they
behave the way they do now and measure love with money or gold and
nothing else.

Lets not blame your bad mood on the girls though. Did you not have a
great few days with that lady you met in a disco? Did she not manage
to cheer you up with her energy and constant positivity? That has to
be quite some achievement regarding the permanent huffy mood you are
in recently, don't you think? She really deserves credit (and some
baht) for that! Did she not give you a little bit of that old
fashioned GFE by cutting your nails and providing you with free
oranges and watermelons in her room? See, it still exists! And did you
not feel like you were in your early twenties again during the
frequent intimate, mutually entertaining sessions which brought back
your old enthusiasm for the most beautiful exercise on earth? Of
course you have to forgive her lackadaisical cockiness and for
vomiting and peeing in your bed but how could you know that 7 San
Miguels were more than a cute 40 kg light lady could take in 2 hours?
Anyway, the earplugs and Xanax let you drift off to a nice sleep while
she was finishing her business and the next morning, when you already
forgot what had happened, you wondered why she tried so sheepishly but
enthusiastically to make up for her mistake. A whore sure, one of
those who maintain a sponsor even, but the completely satisfying
sexual experience over several days at least justified the trip.

And did you not have a no strings attached sexual encounter with a
girl you met online only a few days prior to coming to Thailand. You
can't blame her for not living up to your increasing expectations and
that she was not girlfriend material in your eyes. She even picked you
up at the airport with her car for about half of what a taxi would
cost. Would that ever happen in your home? You know the answer. You
could easily have met half a dozen more if you had gotten your lazy
ass up to Bangkok. And even if the bars became mostly boring and were
really lacking eye candy you still managed to get at least a free neck
massage and an ice cold towel due to the afflicted face you always
made. They took at least a little bit of pity on you. What more can
you really expect in such a money oriented business? And don't forget
the evening when by accident you stumbled in that new bells and
whistles gogo near Walking Street. Normally you would have left
immediately but you were pretty drunk and the sofas in there were
inviting you to lay down and enjoy the buzz. And at 80 baht for a beer
you can't be wrong, can you? The moment when the performing girl drew
you on to the stage you were a bit distraught but still half drunk you
have to admit that it was an unforgettable moment when she motioned
you to lay down, open your mouth and catch a ping pong ball from where
ping pong balls do not normally emerge. Unfortunately she only needed
2 tries. Only in Thailand.

Unique - and some bizarre - experiences, warm weather, delicious food,
that's what you came here for and you found it all.

So what are you complaining about? Oh yes, You did not manage to find
a replacement for your past experiences with the girlfriend. Well if
you want a sirloin steak you should probably not go looking for it in
McDonald's. Times are changing and there is surely a reason why
Pattaya continues to draw both rougher customers as well as rougher
girls. The bars are simply less fun than strictly business nowadays.
If you only possess the least bit of perception then you cannot deny
that they lacked any kind of charm. Too dirty, too sleazy, too blunt.
What was once (long before you started coming to the kingdom) a
genuinely fascinating environment where you could maybe get a glimpse
of what paradise looks like is about to completely lose the last bits
of its soul. The red light areas of Thailand will just become like
anywhere else in the world and will more strictly be populated by
mercenary pros. Why should Thailand with its millions of tourists be
excepted? You also are not that much into shopping that this absurd
monstrosity of a mall next to soi 9 on Beach Road could lure you into
coming back.

You have great memories from your earlier days in Pattaya. Don't spoil
them by witnessing any longer all the inevitable changes for the worse
which are going on. Your days of innocent fun in Pattaya are over. You
simply do not feel comfortable there anymore. Accept it and move on.
There are plenty of pretty students or office girls in Bangkok who
would love to entertain you in a much classier environment. Or how
about a trip north to Khon Kaen or Udon? Traps and money issues will
arise there too but you will get a new perspective and maybe a desire
to experience a new type of nightlife. Try it at least to do a
completely other type of Thai women justice and enjoy some new sights
and sounds before you decide to give the whole country – not just
Pattaya - a miss.

Stickman's thoughts:

A friend said it well recently when he said that he looks forward to
his Pattaya trip all year long but when he eventually makes it there
and leaves he feels empty and unsatisfied.....and then the cycle
starts again...

To All,



Been to Pattaya many times in the past. Was just

there in Nov and Dec of last year. What happens

in Pattaya is what YOU want to happen BUT you

have the law of unintended consensuses that takes

effect. Thus YOU will always lose control of events

because YOU are not in total control of events. Keep

in mind YOU are dealing with people and they have

there own agenda. Between good and bad, pretty and

ugly, past and future, man and woman, rich and poor

YOU have Pattaya. Pattaya will be Pattaya no matter

what YOU thing as Pattaya is independent of what

YOU believe it has been, what it is, and what it will

become in the future. Tourists come and go, the girls

come and go, tomorrow comes and goes into yesterday.

The years add up and before YOU know it we will

ALL is dead. It does not matter what YOU think

except to YOUR SELF. Enjoy Pattaya just like YOU

should enjoy life while YOU have it as it is not something

YOU will always have. YOU come, YOU look, YOU

make contact, YOU come to an agreement, YOU enjoy,

YOU pay, YOU leave. Accept that YOU cannot change

and be Happy. See YOU in Pattaya this year or next or

whenever we both can get back. Can YOU help me get

a cheap ticket to bkk?



Randy Kehrt

Louisville, KY

USA

kirjoitti
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Disenchanting Pattaya
By PattayaSigel


You said it many times before. That this will be the last time you are
going to come here. That staying in Pattaya is a waste of time and a
sacrilege to the many places in SEA which offer cleaner beaches,
friendlier locals, safer infrastructure, classier nightlife and simply


Pattaya is like this thread.

On Feb 15, 10:13*pm, "Markku Grönroos" wrote:

Pattaya is like this thread.


****** How are all your ladyboy friends there Markku???

Pattaya is a dirty toilet. Jomtien, around the corner from Pattaya, is a
small improvement, but why go to this area at all when the rest of
Thailand is so much better?

Ian

To Ian,



I will try and address the "Why go to Pattaya when the rest of the Thailand
is

so much better?" question statement.



To me YOU have already answered YOUR own question! IF YOU FEEL that

Pattaya is not as good as the rest of Thailand then STAY AWAY FROM PATTAYA!

No one is forcing YOU to go to Pattaya and no one is keeping YOU away from
the

rest of Pattaya. Do what YOU want to do (within reasonable limits) and
enjoy yourself.

Pattaya has some advantages for a western tourist that is not all that
interested in seeing

the "real" Thailand assuming that is the rural areas up northwest or
northeast. YOU will

lose the ability to be able to speak English and be understood and YOU will
be forced

either to have some Thai watch over YOU or be in some sort of group for
support. Let

face it that we Western folks are really like babies as we need the comforts
of home unless

we are from some sort of special forces type that want to feel the joy of
surviving like some

sort of self sustaining survivalist YOU see in the movies. Keep life real
and forget the

movies! For me Pattaya and or Phuket is designed for a western man who is
wanting to

get out of the USA and to enjoy himself without having to worry about the
vice squd

and having YOUR name blasted in the media. I have had my wife with me in
Pattaya and

she saw what was going on and she even got asked if she had a interest in
"hooking up"

with some Thai woman. No problem like they say in Pattaya and she said no.
Then we

went up North to the "real" Thailand (Udon Thani) and we stayed in the home
of the

villiage of someone we met in Pattaya. We saw the Family, the baby and the
whole

works. Was it a good time in a village outside of Udon Thani? It depends
but I do

say it was a experience that we will never forget. Frankly I prefer Pattaya
and keep the

wife home as for me I like the idea that YOU can meet foreign nationals, not
have the

problem of the local vice squad wanting to make a arrest just because YOU
are on

the other side of morality of the "moral majority" and can get the services
that YOU

will have to pay much more for in the USA like the cost of the hotel and of
food that

is western style.



Let ME CHOOSE! It should be my choice! NO one is forcing me to do
otherwise.



Randy Kehrt

Louisville, KY

USA



PS Still looking for a cheap ticket to bkk from Louisville.

"Randy Kehrt" spouted off again...

Perhaps Pattaya has one good point - it keeps small minded people like you
from infecting the rest of the country.
You clearly have no interest in the culture or people of Thailand, so why
not just holiday in Miami if your USA comforts are so important to you?

"Geoff B" geoff_screen"at"yahoo.co.uk a écrit dans le message de news:
...

"Randy Kehrt" spouted off again...

Perhaps Pattaya has one good point - it keeps small minded people like
you from infecting the rest of the country.
You clearly have no interest in the culture or people of Thailand, so why
not just holiday in Miami if your USA comforts are so important to you?

'Randy' hasn't access to the same perks in Miami, and as he says himself,
feels uneasy in the presence of aliens that don't speekee English and eat
McDonalds.

Not that long since I was in the Chiang Mai Saloon, and a baseball-capped
Yank in his 20s staggered in, parked himself a fair way down the bar, and
started to talk (ie shout, being from across the Pond). I was watching
football (the real thing), could hardly hear the commentary. Yank tried to
engage a Thai next to him in conversation. "You like American football?"
Thai guy looked at him, flummoxed. Shouting louder... "A - Mer - I - Can -
Foot - Ball?", the Yank tried again. Thai guy attempted to be polite. "Ah,
Galax-Y!" he replied. "beck-Ham!" American completely lost, no idea what
he's on about, gave up for a few seconds. Typical US tourist, thought
everyone on the planet knew about the American football 'world
championships'...

Yank tried again. "Speak English?" Not waiting for answer, stunning
revelation followed. "Been all over... Europe, Thailand... Everyone speak
different!" Thai guy was lost for words.

Last attempt from Yank. "Like baseball?" he bellowed. Points at cap "White
Sox!"

I gave up and headed for a Yank-free establishment to watch the match in
peace.

(With apologies to those baseball-capped McDonalds-eating Americans who
won't have a clue what's amusing - and sad - about the above).

pg

its a giant toilet -sluts whores and filth of the world congregate
there .only a rat would feel at home there .
Travis couldnt clean that place in a 1000 years .

wrote:
its a giant toilet -sluts whores and filth of the world congregate
there .only a rat would feel at home there .
Travis couldnt clean that place in a 1000 years .

Come on what are you talking about. I suppose you know nothing about
Pattaya. The stuff that is putted into the toilet is probably in your
head too.

I saw a whole bunch of ugly faces over there that's true. But had
beautiful days with lovely people as well. Good live music and lazy
afternoons in the shadow. Mr.Clean can be confused.


peace