Cuba Travel Ban

john wrote:

What freaken right does Bush have to say we can't travel to Cuba?

We should be allowed to travel to any country.

Bush probably cane out with that order to placate the goddam Cuban
exiles in Florida so the Florida vote will be in his favor come next
November.

Is this ban new to you??

Happy Raccoon wrote:


Replace "Soviet Union" with "United States of America" in the above paragraph.

Wrong... The USSR prevented people from LEAVING... The US doesn't
prevent citizens from leaving.

James Robinson wrote in message ...
Under the rules, a person can also travel without a license if they
spend no money to benefit the country. That means you, presumably a
British subject, could pay the entire expenses of a US citizen for a
trip to Cuba, and that would be legal, as long as that person didn't
have to repay you in any way.

However, under the law, regardless of the fact that in most cases, US
citizens are 'innocent until proven guilty', if a US citizen goes to
Cuba, the onus is on them to prove that they spent no money, so they
are considered guilty until proven innocent in this case. That can be
difficult - you can't prove a negative.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks

freeda wrote:
How are these laws enforced? Does Cuba object to US citizens visiting their
country? Surely then you could fly to Mexico, then on to Cuba?

Americans who fly through Canada and the Bahamas can be observed
disembarking from Cuba flights by US immgration personnel who work in those
airports. In the case of Mexico it's pretty doubtful anyone would notice.

miguel
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mrtravel wrote:
Happy Raccoon wrote:
Replace "Soviet Union" with "United States of America" in the above
paragraph.

Wrong... The USSR prevented people from LEAVING... The US doesn't
prevent citizens from leaving.

Soviet citizens could freely travel to approved countries (Poland, Romania,
what have you). It's just that the Soviets approved fewer countries than the
US. They've made up for it by giving up on that entirely.

miguel
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Miguel Cruz wrote:
freeda wrote:

How are these laws enforced? Does Cuba object to US citizens visiting their
country? Surely then you could fly to Mexico, then on to Cuba?


Americans who fly through Canada and the Bahamas can be observed
disembarking from Cuba flights by US immgration personnel who work in those
airports.

What does "observed" mean? Are US immigration personnel allowed
to look at the passports of disembarking people? If not, how
could they ascertain someone was American?

Ritwik

Ritwik Bhattacharya wrote:

Miguel Cruz wrote:

freeda wrote:

How are these laws enforced? Does Cuba object to US citizens visiting
their
country? Surely then you could fly to Mexico, then on to Cuba?



Americans who fly through Canada and the Bahamas can be observed
disembarking from Cuba flights by US immgration personnel who work in
those
airports.


What does "observed" mean? Are US immigration personnel allowed to look
at the passports of disembarking people? If not, how could they
ascertain someone was American?


They would watch them transfer to US bound flights.

In article ,
Miguel Cruz wrote:

Soviet citizens could freely travel to approved countries (Poland, Romania,
what have you).

Bull****. One needed an exit visa for travel to *any* country,
including Poland and Romania. An exit visa to Bulgaria might have been
marginally easier to obtain than one to West Germany, but you don't
really think an average Soviet citizen could get up and say ``why,
I feel like going to Poland today,'' buy a ticket and go, do you?
Do you know what was involved in submitting an application for a
``foreign'' (as opposed to regular domestic) passport in the USSR?

Just like the US and Cuba today, yeah, sure... It's amazing how quickly
people forget.

Vitaly Shmatikov wrote:

In article ,
Miguel Cruz wrote:


Soviet citizens could freely travel to approved countries (Poland, Romania,
what have you).


Bull****. One needed an exit visa for travel to *any* country,
including Poland and Romania. An exit visa to Bulgaria might have been
marginally easier to obtain than one to West Germany, but you don't
really think an average Soviet citizen could get up and say ``why,
I feel like going to Poland today,'' buy a ticket and go, do you?
Do you know what was involved in submitting an application for a
``foreign'' (as opposed to regular domestic) passport in the USSR?

Just like the US and Cuba today, yeah, sure... It's amazing how quickly
people forget.


Thanks very much for the real perspective on this. I am sure you
understand that there is no way the US ban on Cuba is anything like how
it was in the FSU. Talk about no freedom.... The book "Dr Zhivago" was
even banned.. I find it interesting when Americans compare minor
invonviences with how things used to be in the USSR.

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:08:48 +0000, mrtravel wrote:

Ritwik Bhattacharya wrote:

Miguel Cruz wrote:

freeda wrote:

How are these laws enforced? Does Cuba object to US citizens visiting
their
country? Surely then you could fly to Mexico, then on to Cuba?



Americans who fly through Canada and the Bahamas can be observed
disembarking from Cuba flights by US immgration personnel who work in
those
airports.


What does "observed" mean? Are US immigration personnel allowed to look
at the passports of disembarking people? If not, how could they
ascertain someone was American?


They would watch them transfer to US bound flights.

That would entail (1) US immigration personnel having access to
international arrival, or (2) them having to stay outside of international
arrival and then following people to US departure.

If, however, the customer stops for a coffee in between, will they keep
watching on the odd chance the guy who arrived from Cuba will be
eventually boarding a flight to Milwaukee rather than to Calgary?

Anyway, easy to work around if you are aware that they might be watching.
Another option would be to overnight in Canada between flights.