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  #51  
Old August 2nd, 2004, 02:59 PM
Tchiowa
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"RAK" wrote in message m...
"Chris Blunt" wrote in message
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On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 01:33:26 +0100, "RAK"
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"Chris Blunt" wrote in message
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On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 14:42:51 GMT, "Mark Pannell"
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One issue that the agent does sometimes raise is that of departure
tax. In Hong Kong, the departure tax is included in the ticket price,
but its not normally charged on same-day connecting flights because
they assume people will remain airside. Strictly speaking, the tax
should be payable if you go outside the airport, but I think the
number of transit passengers who do this is so small that they haven't
bothered to close that loophole. Not sure if that would apply to
Singapore also.

I am not 100% sure on this but I think the airport tax at the transit
airport only applies if you transit for more than 24 hours. Also an X on the
ticket on the line for one flight sector indicates no stopover allowed
though again I think that under 24 hours is still allowed.


I was picking up a ticket for SQ Friday and they confirmed the policy.
However, they said that SQ pretty much ignores it in Singapore because
they want the tourism but other airlines would be more strict. They
also pointed out that if you're on a discount ticket you would could
be charged a substantial fee for leaving the airport (hidden cities
trick).

Bottom line, if you want to leave the airport in Singapore, or
anywhere else, while you're laid over for a few hours, plan that ahead
of time, check your baggage to Singapore, make sure the airline knows
your plan, etc.

Avoid the problems.
  #52  
Old August 2nd, 2004, 03:43 PM
Markku Grönroos
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Default Singapore - 6 hrs to kill in airport- any bus trips?

Tchiowa kirjoitti:


I was picking up a ticket for SQ Friday and they confirmed the policy.
However, they said that SQ pretty much ignores it in Singapore because
they want the tourism but other airlines would be more strict. They



Heh heh.

also pointed out that if you're on a discount ticket you would could
be charged a substantial fee for leaving the airport (hidden cities
trick).



If someone is visiting town while in transit, this has nothing to do
with the hidden city scheme. If you decided not to board the connecting
flight that *may* do so.

Bottom line, if you want to leave the airport in Singapore, or
anywhere else, while you're laid over for a few hours, plan that ahead
of time, check your baggage to Singapore, make sure the airline knows
your plan, etc.



Nobody has appeared to tell about problems as a first hand experience.
I am certain all experienced travellers and by far most not so
experienced ones just ignore this nonsense of yours. Luggage can or
cannot be checked to Singapore. There is no reason for an airline to
demand it though (at least not based on security issues). It just would
increase unecessary luggage handling. Perhaps you could finally tell the
others, how does it improve security when the *already checked* luggage
will be re-checked (if it is possible in the first place). Can you give
any reason for this ?
  #53  
Old August 2nd, 2004, 03:43 PM
Markku Grönroos
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Default Singapore - 6 hrs to kill in airport- any bus trips?

Tchiowa kirjoitti:


I was picking up a ticket for SQ Friday and they confirmed the policy.
However, they said that SQ pretty much ignores it in Singapore because
they want the tourism but other airlines would be more strict. They



Heh heh.

also pointed out that if you're on a discount ticket you would could
be charged a substantial fee for leaving the airport (hidden cities
trick).



If someone is visiting town while in transit, this has nothing to do
with the hidden city scheme. If you decided not to board the connecting
flight that *may* do so.

Bottom line, if you want to leave the airport in Singapore, or
anywhere else, while you're laid over for a few hours, plan that ahead
of time, check your baggage to Singapore, make sure the airline knows
your plan, etc.



Nobody has appeared to tell about problems as a first hand experience.
I am certain all experienced travellers and by far most not so
experienced ones just ignore this nonsense of yours. Luggage can or
cannot be checked to Singapore. There is no reason for an airline to
demand it though (at least not based on security issues). It just would
increase unecessary luggage handling. Perhaps you could finally tell the
others, how does it improve security when the *already checked* luggage
will be re-checked (if it is possible in the first place). Can you give
any reason for this ?
  #54  
Old August 2nd, 2004, 03:59 PM
Plad
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Default Singapore - 6 hrs to kill in airport- any bus trips?

Troll!


"Tchiowa" wrote in message
om...
"RAK" wrote in message
m...
"Chris Blunt" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 01:33:26 +0100, "RAK"
wrote:


"Chris Blunt" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 14:42:51 GMT, "Mark Pannell"
wrote:

cut

One issue that the agent does sometimes raise is that of departure
tax. In Hong Kong, the departure tax is included in the ticket price,
but its not normally charged on same-day connecting flights because
they assume people will remain airside. Strictly speaking, the tax
should be payable if you go outside the airport, but I think the
number of transit passengers who do this is so small that they haven't
bothered to close that loophole. Not sure if that would apply to
Singapore also.

I am not 100% sure on this but I think the airport tax at the transit
airport only applies if you transit for more than 24 hours. Also an X on
the
ticket on the line for one flight sector indicates no stopover allowed
though again I think that under 24 hours is still allowed.


I was picking up a ticket for SQ Friday and they confirmed the policy.
However, they said that SQ pretty much ignores it in Singapore because
they want the tourism but other airlines would be more strict. They
also pointed out that if you're on a discount ticket you would could
be charged a substantial fee for leaving the airport (hidden cities
trick).

Bottom line, if you want to leave the airport in Singapore, or
anywhere else, while you're laid over for a few hours, plan that ahead
of time, check your baggage to Singapore, make sure the airline knows
your plan, etc.

Avoid the problems.



  #55  
Old August 2nd, 2004, 07:26 PM
Tchiowa
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Default Singapore - 6 hrs to kill in airport- any bus trips?

Markku Grönroos wrote in message ...
Tchiowa kirjoitti:

snip
also pointed out that if you're on a discount ticket you would could
be charged a substantial fee for leaving the airport (hidden cities
trick).


If someone is visiting town while in transit, this has nothing to do
with the hidden city scheme. If you decided not to board the connecting
flight that *may* do so.


Nonsense. For example I can buy a Singapore Air Line round trip ticket
from SFO to Bangkok for quite a bit less than SFO to Singapore even
though the Bangkok flight passes through Singapore. If I wanted to
stop in Singapore the rules say that you buy the SFO/Sing round trip
and a separata Sing/BKK round trip. Substantially higher cost.

Bottom line, if you want to leave the airport in Singapore, or
anywhere else, while you're laid over for a few hours, plan that ahead
of time, check your baggage to Singapore, make sure the airline knows
your plan, etc.


Nobody has appeared to tell about problems as a first hand experience.


So what? You want to play games with your ticket and be the first one
with the bad experience? Rules are rules and they are being enforced
more strictly since 9/11.

I am certain all experienced travellers and by far most not so
experienced ones just ignore this nonsense of yours.


Other than Miguel, I doubt that there is anyone on this group more
experienced at travel than I am.

Luggage can or
cannot be checked to Singapore. There is no reason for an airline to
demand it though (at least not based on security issues).


Security requires that you stay with your luggage. It's just like
trying to fly on a different flight than the one your luggage is going
on. They want you together so that if something happens, they have
you.

It just would
increase unecessary luggage handling. Perhaps you could finally tell the
others, how does it improve security when the *already checked* luggage
will be re-checked (if it is possible in the first place). Can you give
any reason for this ?


Because the rules require it. It doesn't matter one iota if it's
logical in your mind or not. If those are the rules then playing games
with them can cause you problems. Why do it?
  #56  
Old August 2nd, 2004, 07:26 PM
Tchiowa
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Default Singapore - 6 hrs to kill in airport- any bus trips?

Markku Grönroos wrote in message ...
Tchiowa kirjoitti:

snip
also pointed out that if you're on a discount ticket you would could
be charged a substantial fee for leaving the airport (hidden cities
trick).


If someone is visiting town while in transit, this has nothing to do
with the hidden city scheme. If you decided not to board the connecting
flight that *may* do so.


Nonsense. For example I can buy a Singapore Air Line round trip ticket
from SFO to Bangkok for quite a bit less than SFO to Singapore even
though the Bangkok flight passes through Singapore. If I wanted to
stop in Singapore the rules say that you buy the SFO/Sing round trip
and a separata Sing/BKK round trip. Substantially higher cost.

Bottom line, if you want to leave the airport in Singapore, or
anywhere else, while you're laid over for a few hours, plan that ahead
of time, check your baggage to Singapore, make sure the airline knows
your plan, etc.


Nobody has appeared to tell about problems as a first hand experience.


So what? You want to play games with your ticket and be the first one
with the bad experience? Rules are rules and they are being enforced
more strictly since 9/11.

I am certain all experienced travellers and by far most not so
experienced ones just ignore this nonsense of yours.


Other than Miguel, I doubt that there is anyone on this group more
experienced at travel than I am.

Luggage can or
cannot be checked to Singapore. There is no reason for an airline to
demand it though (at least not based on security issues).


Security requires that you stay with your luggage. It's just like
trying to fly on a different flight than the one your luggage is going
on. They want you together so that if something happens, they have
you.

It just would
increase unecessary luggage handling. Perhaps you could finally tell the
others, how does it improve security when the *already checked* luggage
will be re-checked (if it is possible in the first place). Can you give
any reason for this ?


Because the rules require it. It doesn't matter one iota if it's
logical in your mind or not. If those are the rules then playing games
with them can cause you problems. Why do it?
  #57  
Old August 2nd, 2004, 08:44 PM
Markku Grönroos
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Default Singapore - 6 hrs to kill in airport- any bus trips?

Tchiowa kirjoitti:

Markku Grönroos wrote in message ...


Tchiowa kirjoitti:


snip


also pointed out that if you're on a discount ticket you would could
be charged a substantial fee for leaving the airport (hidden cities
trick).


If someone is visiting town while in transit, this has nothing to do
with the hidden city scheme. If you decided not to board the connecting
flight that *may* do so.



Nonsense. For example I can buy a Singapore Air Line round trip ticket
from SFO to Bangkok for quite a bit less than SFO to Singapore even
though the Bangkok flight passes through Singapore. If I wanted to
stop in Singapore the rules say that you buy the SFO/Sing round trip
and a separata Sing/BKK round trip. Substantially higher cost.



And your point was? When you are in transit, Singapore does not serve as
a hidden city. It does so only if you decided to leave the airport for
good and not to fly the leg from SIN to BKK. In such a case you cannot
check you luggage to SIN at SFO even if you begged it on your knees.
That's what the hidden city concept is all about. Your luggage remains
as a pawn to encourage you to travel all the way to BKK. You typically
can retrieve the luggage at SIN but the penalty fee over compensate the
difference in the ticket fees (SFO-SIN minus SFO-SIN-BKK). All this is
in contradiction with your claim that passengers should/must re-check at
SIN. It would be all crazy anyways.

Other than Miguel, I doubt that there is anyone on this group more
experienced at travel than I am.



Your comments have no credibility. It is no good to refer to any other
person here.

Luggage can or
cannot be checked to Singapore. There is no reason for an airline to
demand it though (at least not based on security issues).



Security requires that you stay with your luggage. It's just like
trying to fly on a different flight than the one your luggage is going
on. They want you together so that if something happens, they have
you.



Happens what? Security (or any institution) has never required this from
me up to this date. Nobody has appeared here to tell a different story
as his personal experience.

It just would
increase unecessary luggage handling. Perhaps you could finally tell the
others, how does it improve security when the *already checked* luggage
will be re-checked (if it is possible in the first place). Can you give
any reason for this ?



Because the rules require it. It doesn't matter one iota if it's


Other people deny the existence of this "ruling" and you reason it by
it's existence. You are not one of those believing in Jesus the Nazareth
by chance ? Their faith is similarly substantiated.


logical in your mind or not. If those are the rules then playing games
with them can cause you problems. Why do it?


Nobody has played this game. Perhaps you want to go back to
soc.culture.thai.
  #58  
Old August 2nd, 2004, 08:44 PM
Markku Grönroos
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Default Singapore - 6 hrs to kill in airport- any bus trips?

Tchiowa kirjoitti:

Markku Grönroos wrote in message ...


Tchiowa kirjoitti:


snip


also pointed out that if you're on a discount ticket you would could
be charged a substantial fee for leaving the airport (hidden cities
trick).


If someone is visiting town while in transit, this has nothing to do
with the hidden city scheme. If you decided not to board the connecting
flight that *may* do so.



Nonsense. For example I can buy a Singapore Air Line round trip ticket
from SFO to Bangkok for quite a bit less than SFO to Singapore even
though the Bangkok flight passes through Singapore. If I wanted to
stop in Singapore the rules say that you buy the SFO/Sing round trip
and a separata Sing/BKK round trip. Substantially higher cost.



And your point was? When you are in transit, Singapore does not serve as
a hidden city. It does so only if you decided to leave the airport for
good and not to fly the leg from SIN to BKK. In such a case you cannot
check you luggage to SIN at SFO even if you begged it on your knees.
That's what the hidden city concept is all about. Your luggage remains
as a pawn to encourage you to travel all the way to BKK. You typically
can retrieve the luggage at SIN but the penalty fee over compensate the
difference in the ticket fees (SFO-SIN minus SFO-SIN-BKK). All this is
in contradiction with your claim that passengers should/must re-check at
SIN. It would be all crazy anyways.

Other than Miguel, I doubt that there is anyone on this group more
experienced at travel than I am.



Your comments have no credibility. It is no good to refer to any other
person here.

Luggage can or
cannot be checked to Singapore. There is no reason for an airline to
demand it though (at least not based on security issues).



Security requires that you stay with your luggage. It's just like
trying to fly on a different flight than the one your luggage is going
on. They want you together so that if something happens, they have
you.



Happens what? Security (or any institution) has never required this from
me up to this date. Nobody has appeared here to tell a different story
as his personal experience.

It just would
increase unecessary luggage handling. Perhaps you could finally tell the
others, how does it improve security when the *already checked* luggage
will be re-checked (if it is possible in the first place). Can you give
any reason for this ?



Because the rules require it. It doesn't matter one iota if it's


Other people deny the existence of this "ruling" and you reason it by
it's existence. You are not one of those believing in Jesus the Nazareth
by chance ? Their faith is similarly substantiated.


logical in your mind or not. If those are the rules then playing games
with them can cause you problems. Why do it?


Nobody has played this game. Perhaps you want to go back to
soc.culture.thai.
  #59  
Old August 3rd, 2004, 03:55 PM
Tchiowa
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Default Singapore - 6 hrs to kill in airport- any bus trips?

Markku Grönroos wrote in message ...
Tchiowa kirjoitti:

Markku Grönroos wrote in message ...


If someone is visiting town while in transit, this has nothing to do
with the hidden city scheme. If you decided not to board the connecting
flight that *may* do so.


Nonsense. For example I can buy a Singapore Air Line round trip ticket
from SFO to Bangkok for quite a bit less than SFO to Singapore even
though the Bangkok flight passes through Singapore. If I wanted to
stop in Singapore the rules say that you buy the SFO/Sing round trip
and a separata Sing/BKK round trip. Substantially higher cost.



And your point was? When you are in transit, Singapore does not serve as
a hidden city.


The point is that if you leave the airport it does, in fact, serve as
a hidden city.

It does so only if you decided to leave the airport for
good and not to fly the leg from SIN to BKK.


Wrong. If you want a ticket with multiple stops you don't get the
discounted ticket. I gave the specific example.

Other than Miguel, I doubt that there is anyone on this group more
experienced at travel than I am.

Your comments have no credibility. It is no good to refer to any other
person here.


You made the comment about experienced travelers not believing me. I
am an experienced traveller. You are not. Get over it.

Luggage can or
cannot be checked to Singapore. There is no reason for an airline to
demand it though (at least not based on security issues).


Security requires that you stay with your luggage. It's just like
trying to fly on a different flight than the one your luggage is going
on. They want you together so that if something happens, they have
you.

Happens what? Security (or any institution) has never required this from
me up to this date. Nobody has appeared here to tell a different story
as his personal experience.


So what? That doesn't alter the facts.

It just would
increase unecessary luggage handling. Perhaps you could finally tell the
others, how does it improve security when the *already checked* luggage
will be re-checked (if it is possible in the first place). Can you give
any reason for this ?


Because the rules require it. It doesn't matter one iota if it's

Other people deny the existence of this "ruling" and you reason it by
it's existence.


No one has denied the existence of the rule. They have talked about
the enforcement. Some rules are enforced sporadically and this is a
good example. But, particularly post 9/11, why take the chance by
playing games with the rule. Do it right and you avoid problems.

You are not one of those believing in Jesus the Nazareth
by chance ? Their faith is similarly substantiated.


So now you hate Christians as well as Jews? Where does your bigotry
end?

logical in your mind or not. If those are the rules then playing games
with them can cause you problems. Why do it?


Nobody has played this game. Perhaps you want to go back to
soc.culture.thai.


People suggested playing the game. That's what this thread is about.

Perhaps you want to go back to alt.racist.
  #60  
Old August 3rd, 2004, 05:38 PM
Markku Grönroos
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Default Singapore - 6 hrs to kill in airport- any bus trips?

Tchiowa kirjoitti:


And your point was? When you are in transit, Singapore does not serve as
a hidden city.



The point is that if you leave the airport it does, in fact, serve as
a hidden city.



No it does not.

It does so only if you decided to leave the airport for
good and not to fly the leg from SIN to BKK.



Wrong. If you want a ticket with multiple stops you don't get the
discounted ticket. I gave the specific example.


I don't know what specific you gave (somehow I assume you do not
understand yourself the sentence "If you want..." ). Hidden city is a
place from which on a passenger does show up for the remaining legs as
printed on his ticket because he has reached his destination. Airlines
do not allow luggage check in to such places, so hidden city passengers
most often fly without luggage in cargo. You may try your luck at a
hidden city itself but you get a prize (your luggage as not checked to
this airport) only if you give the company something more precious (how
about money?).

For instance Finnair is in geographic position to use Helsinki as a
hidden city between Europe and Asia (for westbound destinations on the
other hand it does not have this benefit along with Moscow but Heathrow,
Madrid, Franfurt and so on are strong points due to their more
favourable position). As far as economy is concerned it is worth
considering a travel to begin from Tallinn (TLL) instead of HEL when
riding to Asia by Finnair. For instance right now the company sells
return tickets HEL-BKK-HEL in economy class by €1141 while the same
tickets PLUS return tickets TLL-HEL-TLL go for €677. The first mentioned
combination of tickets costs hefty €464 (68%) more.

Many people (me also) have utilized this. When you are back from BKK at
Helsinki (in Vantaa as a matter of fact), your luggage is going to TLL
and most obviously you in person as well. It doesn't matter whether you
have time and lust to visit Helsinki or not, your luggage will be
unloaded from the Finnair MD11 which arrived in from BKK and it will be
loaded to the Aero ATR72 for TLL. You follow your luggage to Tallinn and
you will come back to Helsinki by one of the slow boats or hydrofoils.
Or perhaps by chopper or plane.

Last year in early June (well after the twin towers went rubbIes on
southernmost Manhattan) I arrived in HEL from BKK early morning and had
a few hours to visit my hometown before the connecting flight to TLL.
So, I went to the main railway station at the heart of Helsinki and
bought a morning paper and went sipping coffee in the Eliel bar..... No,
I didn't re-check. By the way, during the winter 2002-2003 much more
than average amount of ice developed on the Gulf of Finland and the
Finnish side of the pool was icey as long as early May.

You made the comment about experienced travelers not believing me. I
am an experienced traveller. You are not. Get over it.



Of course we do not. Our personal experience repeatedly shows this. As
far as believing is concerned, you are not believed a blink of an eye.
You are not only telling lies here but your story is all crazy. It is
trivial and you cannot possibly stand for it. Anyone can see your record
for instance in soc.culture.thai by little skimming.



Happens what? Security (or any institution) has never required this from
me up to this date. Nobody has appeared here to tell a different story
as his personal experience.



So what? That doesn't alter the facts.



Heh heh, go away.

It just would
increase unecessary luggage handling. Perhaps you could finally tell the
others, how does it improve security when the *already checked* luggage
will be re-checked (if it is possible in the first place). Can you give
any reason for this ?


Because the rules require it. It doesn't matter one iota if it's



Other people deny the existence of this "ruling" and you reason it by
it's existence.



No one has denied the existence of the rule. They have talked about
the enforcement. Some rules are enforced sporadically and this is a
good example. But, particularly post 9/11, why take the chance by
playing games with the rule. Do it right and you avoid problems.



You are not one of those believing in Jesus the Nazareth
by chance ? Their faith is similarly substantiated.



So now you hate Christians as well as Jews? Where does your bigotry
end?



Get lost.
 




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