Bangkok or Hongkong

"Dieter Aaaa" Dieter wrote in message
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"mush97" wrote in message
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Hong Kong is really great in winters. It almost has a feel of an
English
town.


one more reason NOT to go there

another reason is that people are very frustrated there.


Frustrated? About what?


The question shouldn't be
Bangkok or Hongkong
but
Bangkok or Shanghai

"Dieter Aaaa" Dieter wrote in message
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"PeterL" wrote:

one more reason NOT to go there

another reason is that people are very frustrated there.

Frustrated? About what?

a couple of reasons:

the forced merge with PRC

Forced by who? What's the alternative?

the (much better) economic situation in cities like Shanghai,..

Shanghai is an up and coming international metropolis. HK is not that much
behind.

the gradual replacement of their language by Putonghua/Mandarin

Mandarin is their language, so is Cantonese. These are Chinese people, and
Chinese is their language.

the decline of moral values

Moral values? Hong Kong? Please don't make me laugh.

the illegal immigration of extremely poor and uneducated people from PRC
countryside


You can cite a number of reasons people in any other cities of the world are
frustrated.

People in Shanghai, for example, are frustrated because cost of living is
spiraling out of control, poor people from the countryside are streaming
into town to look for work, and creating slums and crime, traffic is
impossible, pollution is out of control, and don't talk to me about the
moral standard.

"Dieter Aaaa" Dieter wrote in message
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"PeterL" wrote:

one more reason NOT to go there

another reason is that people are very frustrated there.

Frustrated? About what?

a couple of reasons:

the forced merge with PRC

Forced by who? What's the alternative?

the (much better) economic situation in cities like Shanghai,..

Shanghai is an up and coming international metropolis. HK is not that much
behind.

the gradual replacement of their language by Putonghua/Mandarin

Mandarin is their language, so is Cantonese. These are Chinese people, and
Chinese is their language.

the decline of moral values

Moral values? Hong Kong? Please don't make me laugh.

the illegal immigration of extremely poor and uneducated people from PRC
countryside


You can cite a number of reasons people in any other cities of the world are
frustrated.

People in Shanghai, for example, are frustrated because cost of living is
spiraling out of control, poor people from the countryside are streaming
into town to look for work, and creating slums and crime, traffic is
impossible, pollution is out of control, and don't talk to me about the
moral standard.

Hong Kong, in its past 160 years of history, has always been like this.
Nothing new from her perspective.

Tim

"Dieter Aaaa" Dieter ¼¶¼g©ó¶l¥ó·s»D
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"PeterL" wrote:

one more reason NOT to go there

another reason is that people are very frustrated there.

Frustrated? About what?

a couple of reasons:

the forced merge with PRC
the (much better) economic situation in cities like Shanghai,..
the gradual replacement of their language by Putonghua/Mandarin
the decline of moral values
the illegal immigration of extremely poor and uneducated people from PRC
countryside

Hong Kong, in its past 160 years of history, has always been like this.
Nothing new from her perspective.

Tim

"Dieter Aaaa" Dieter ¼¶¼g©ó¶l¥ó·s»D
...

"PeterL" wrote:

one more reason NOT to go there

another reason is that people are very frustrated there.

Frustrated? About what?

a couple of reasons:

the forced merge with PRC
the (much better) economic situation in cities like Shanghai,..
the gradual replacement of their language by Putonghua/Mandarin
the decline of moral values
the illegal immigration of extremely poor and uneducated people from PRC
countryside

Dieter Aaaa wrote:

"mush97" wrote in message
...
Hong Kong is really great in winters. It almost has a feel of an English
town.

one more reason NOT to go there

another reason is that people are very frustrated there.

The question shouldn't be
Bangkok or Hongkong
but
Bangkok or Shanghai

I was in HK ini January, VERY cold, the hotel don't have heating, I used
double blankets, still freezing cold.

Cold - and wet, it was raining.

Food is no good (to me), people not friendly.

BKK is totally opposite, still friendly people, tasty food, warm, better
hotel etc.

Another think, Kai Tak is closed, no more roof top inflight to HK in a
747.

/Anders


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Remove the obvious part before replying by mail please!

Dieter Aaaa wrote:

"mush97" wrote in message
...
Hong Kong is really great in winters. It almost has a feel of an English
town.

one more reason NOT to go there

another reason is that people are very frustrated there.

The question shouldn't be
Bangkok or Hongkong
but
Bangkok or Shanghai

I was in HK ini January, VERY cold, the hotel don't have heating, I used
double blankets, still freezing cold.

Cold - and wet, it was raining.

Food is no good (to me), people not friendly.

BKK is totally opposite, still friendly people, tasty food, warm, better
hotel etc.

Another think, Kai Tak is closed, no more roof top inflight to HK in a
747.

/Anders


--
Remove the obvious part before replying by mail please!

"PeterL" wrote

Frustrated? About what?

HK people have a couple of reasons to be frustrated:
the forced merge with PRC
Forced by who? What's the alternative?

The only way is to accept the global economic reality
It is and will be a hard lesson for HK.


the (much better) economic situation in cities like Shanghai,..
Shanghai is an up and coming international metropolis. HK is not that
much
behind.

not that much ?
Apparently, the HK leaders are fully aware of their problem:
Last June, when i was there, there was a survey on the airport among the
international business travellers.
"do you prefer Shanghai above HongKong" they asked me...
"and why ?"
"do you think shopping in Shanghai is more pleasant than in Hongkong ?"
"and why ?"
"do you think hotel accomodation in Shanghai is more modern than in Hongkong
?"
"and why ?"



the decline of moral values
Moral values? Hong Kong? Please don't make me laugh.

Has Hong Kong never got any moral values then ?


the illegal immigration of extremely poor and uneducated people from PRC
countryside
You can cite a number of reasons people in any other cities of the world
are
frustrated.

sure
Brussels for example:
with an average of one gang bang street rape per day (by muslims of course)
But in brussels, illegal immigrants are not swimming over the border
they are simply welcomed by our socialist government



People in Shanghai, for example, are frustrated because cost of living is
spiraling out of control, poor people from the countryside are streaming
into town to look for work, and creating slums and crime, traffic is
impossible, pollution is out of control, and don't talk to me about the
moral standard.


The crime in Shanghai is not just caused by illegal immigrants

Agree, the moral standards in Shanghai are declining but still at a higher
level than in many european capitals.
In Shanghai, certain people at least do not kill just for fun.

"PeterL" wrote

Frustrated? About what?

HK people have a couple of reasons to be frustrated:
the forced merge with PRC
Forced by who? What's the alternative?

The only way is to accept the global economic reality
It is and will be a hard lesson for HK.


the (much better) economic situation in cities like Shanghai,..
Shanghai is an up and coming international metropolis. HK is not that
much
behind.

not that much ?
Apparently, the HK leaders are fully aware of their problem:
Last June, when i was there, there was a survey on the airport among the
international business travellers.
"do you prefer Shanghai above HongKong" they asked me...
"and why ?"
"do you think shopping in Shanghai is more pleasant than in Hongkong ?"
"and why ?"
"do you think hotel accomodation in Shanghai is more modern than in Hongkong
?"
"and why ?"



the decline of moral values
Moral values? Hong Kong? Please don't make me laugh.

Has Hong Kong never got any moral values then ?


the illegal immigration of extremely poor and uneducated people from PRC
countryside
You can cite a number of reasons people in any other cities of the world
are
frustrated.

sure
Brussels for example:
with an average of one gang bang street rape per day (by muslims of course)
But in brussels, illegal immigrants are not swimming over the border
they are simply welcomed by our socialist government



People in Shanghai, for example, are frustrated because cost of living is
spiraling out of control, poor people from the countryside are streaming
into town to look for work, and creating slums and crime, traffic is
impossible, pollution is out of control, and don't talk to me about the
moral standard.


The crime in Shanghai is not just caused by illegal immigrants

Agree, the moral standards in Shanghai are declining but still at a higher
level than in many european capitals.
In Shanghai, certain people at least do not kill just for fun.

"Dieter Aaaa" Dieter wrote in message
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"PeterL" wrote


the decline of moral values
Moral values? Hong Kong? Please don't make me laugh.

Has Hong Kong never got any moral values then ?


If you consider making as much money as quickly as possible a "moral value",
then there is plenty of that in HK.