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  #261  
Old July 26th, 2006, 06:46 PM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:18:41 +0100, The Reid
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Following up to Hatunen

And you can have high relative humidity below 0. But is that 0 F
or 0 C? You can have dew points above and below zero. In either
system.

I was talking of freezing point, I've not known it humid below
that.


Even ice has a vapor pressure.

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  #262  
Old July 26th, 2006, 07:13 PM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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Mxsmanic wrote:
TOliver writes:
As for the Mixed Maniac's 33C with 31% humidity, that's positively
salubrious, cool enough to play tennis or 18 holes in the afternoon,
so dry that the sweat disappears before you feel it dripping from
your brow.


And you develop hyperthermia and pass out without any warning.


I've been playing soccer and ultimate frisbee - two sports that involve
a lot of running - two or three times a week since moving to Malaysia,
where the conditions in the sun are tougher what TOliver is describing
(typically 32C and 80-90% humidity).

I have never seen anyone collapse from the heat, except when they just
got off the plane from US/Europe and came straight out to play that same
day, or at an all-day tournament when someone kept playing and playing
without stopping to drink enough water.

Under normal conditions a healthy acclimated person can exert him- or
herself in this weather without issue. Do get a little stinky though.

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  #263  
Old July 26th, 2006, 07:19 PM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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Mxsmanic wrote:
Miguel Cruz writes:
The reason for this is pretty simple: People know that heating is
more necessary than cooling for comfortable and productive living,
within the range of temperatures that are normally experienced in
inhabited areas.


Which inhabited areas? Most of the world's population these days
lives in warm or hot climates.


That's irrelevant. We are only talking about the people who need cooling
or heating. The people who are able to survive just fine (e.g., almost
all of the people living in warm or hot climates) are not among that
number.

Among those who do need some sort of climate control in order to
survive, the number who need heating is greater than the number who need
cooling.

The fact that you personally might prefer cooling if you came here is
likewise irrelevant; the people who actually live here don't need it.
You are simply weird.

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Old July 26th, 2006, 07:47 PM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Keith W writes:

Only if they too stupid to realise that they need to drink
and rest in the shade occasionally.


Drinking and resting in the shade isn't enough in extreme heat and
humidity.


30 deg and 32% humidity isnt extreme, they regard such conditions
as positively chilly in the Far East

Keith


  #265  
Old July 26th, 2006, 08:24 PM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 02:19:43 +0800, Miguel Cruz
wrote:

Mxsmanic wrote:
Miguel Cruz writes:
The reason for this is pretty simple: People know that heating is
more necessary than cooling for comfortable and productive living,
within the range of temperatures that are normally experienced in
inhabited areas.


Which inhabited areas? Most of the world's population these days
lives in warm or hot climates.


That's irrelevant. We are only talking about the people who need cooling
or heating. The people who are able to survive just fine (e.g., almost
all of the people living in warm or hot climates) are not among that
number.


Please note that Mixi has stated that they either don't exist, or just
suffer. This of course doesn't accord with my, or your experience. But
when you know it all...

The fact that you personally might prefer cooling if you came here is
likewise irrelevant; the people who actually live here don't need it.
You are simply weird.


That is crediting him with being fascinating. I wouldn't go that far.
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Old July 26th, 2006, 08:25 PM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:20:19 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

mrtravel writes:

A temperature of 23 degrees Celsius (73.4F) is unbearable to you?


It is too hot for me.


Then you need to get used to it, like anyone else. It is possible if
you try. I know, because I have.
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Old July 26th, 2006, 08:26 PM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:50:25 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:

Keith W writes:

Only if they too stupid to realise that they need to drink
and rest in the shade occasionally.


Drinking and resting in the shade isn't enough in extreme heat and
humidity.


Drinking and resting is a pleasure anywhere.
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  #268  
Old July 26th, 2006, 09:15 PM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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mrtravel burbled:

You know the saying, "but it's a dry heat"



You are a "wet" idiot...

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  #269  
Old July 26th, 2006, 10:16 PM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
Mxsmanic
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Miguel Cruz writes:

That's irrelevant. We are only talking about the people who need cooling
or heating.


That certainly includes warm and hot climates.

The people who are able to survive just fine (e.g., almost
all of the people living in warm or hot climates) are not among that
number.


I wouldn't call living in dirt huts "just fine." In hot countries
where people are living in something better than dirt huts, there is
air conditioning.

Among those who do need some sort of climate control in order to
survive, the number who need heating is greater than the number who need
cooling.


You're certain of this?

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  #270  
Old July 26th, 2006, 10:17 PM posted to rec.travel.air,rec.travel.europe,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.usa,alt.politics.bush
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Dave Frightens Me writes:

Then you need to get used to it, like anyone else. It is possible if
you try. I know, because I have.


I'll tell people that when it's 18° C in the room and they want to
turn up the heat.

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