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Enough, already!!!!!!!
On 11/16/2012 12:39 AM, Bill wrote:
On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:54:25 -0000, "JohnT" wrote: Not true. UK and Irish Citizens may travel freely without any identification within the UK and Ireland. Try traveling from the UK mainland to any part of the island of Ireland without one and you'll find that you're wrong. The carriers insist on passports... Maybe a Brit can enlighten me.. if you fly between destinations within mainland UK, don't you need to identify yourself when you check in? What happens if you don't have a passport? |
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"Bill" wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 22:54:25 -0000, "JohnT" wrote: Not true. UK and Irish Citizens may travel freely without any identification within the UK and Ireland. Try traveling from the UK mainland to any part of the island of Ireland without one and you'll find that you're wrong. The carriers insist on passports... They might insist on ID, they don't insist on passports (though for most people their passport id going to be the most useful ID that they have) And in any case, it is certainly possible to travel from mainland UK to Northern Ireland without a passport and then make a land crossing over the border tim |
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"Rudi" wrote in message ... Simon, regarging this post, and your previous comment to my last night's post: On Fri, 16 Nov 2012 07:46:13 -0000, "simon calder" wrote: However, one thing, largely, travel between member states on 'mainland Europe' is passport free - For Europeans. No Simon, it is not, and has not been, passport free. Only Border Control free. As most people who have done this will have experienced, travel from France by vehicle onto ANY other member state generally does NOT encounter border crossings where passports are required. Yes, this is how it works in practice. However, no-one is exempt from possessing a proof of citizenship, which must be shown upon request from the authorities. Airports may differ and to and from the UK you need your passport (occassionally by Eurostar avoids checks ......since the debacle with MP May and the Passport Director it's tightened up) Now this is another matter. Airlines are obligated to verify travellers' eligibility to enter the host country before allowing them to board the plane- failure to do so will cause the airline quite heavy fines. Which means the airlines take the issue seriously. And UK is not a special case in requiring passports from travellers- point is that UK does not have a national identity card system, unlike most other european countries, and therefore a passport is the only legal travel document for UK citizens. A national driver's licence will never do as an official travel document. Not UK, nor not any other european countries', either. I do grant that I am not familiar with practices regarging UK -Ireland travel, however I do suspect that you are referring to travel within UK (=to Northern Ireland), while direct ship routes to the Republic of Ireland would fall into same category as any other european travel. Please correct me if I have it wrong. Nope. The rules for crossing the border between the UK/Ireland are the same for the sea crossing as they are for the land one. That is, no ID is required. There is however (as per my other post), a completely different requirement for the ship operator to have a list of passengers for safety reasons and some form of ID is required whether the crossing is to the North or the South, but a document much less secure than a passport is sufficient. tim |
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"tim....." wrote in message ... "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message m... Bill wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:38:25 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote: Whereas many of us go to Milan and Vienna and Paris for the opera and classical music. Are you prepared to define 'many' in terms of the overall population of the USA? No. (I was referring only to those of us who travel abroad.) so you are saying that "many of the USAans who travel abroad do it because they are Opera fans"? I find that hard to believe. tim No, Tim, I have visited Europe eleven times and it was not because I was an opera fan, although I did attend one in Vienna. It was to visit friends and different sites. My parents were both born in Poland so we have been there three times. This November, I will visit Portugal and Spain. More Americans have passports than you might think...we have seven members in my family alone who have one and I often travel with a group of friends who all have passports. --Jean |
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Jean O'Boyle wrote: "tim....." wrote in message ... "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message m... Bill wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:38:25 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote: Whereas many of us go to Milan and Vienna and Paris for the opera and classical music. Are you prepared to define 'many' in terms of the overall population of the USA? No. (I was referring only to those of us who travel abroad.) so you are saying that "many of the USAans who travel abroad do it because they are Opera fans"? I find that hard to believe. tim No, Tim, I have visited Europe eleven times and it was not because I was an opera fan, although I did attend one in Vienna. It was to visit friends and different sites. My parents were both born in Poland so we have been there three times. This November, I will visit Portugal and Spain. More Americans have passports than you might think...we have seven members in my family alone who have one and I often travel with a group of friends who all have passports. --Jean For once you and I agree, Jean! I never meant to imply that ALL Americans were opera fans, simply that those of us who are find it a good reason for travel to Europe. (Not all of us are so insular that we don't want to experience other cultures, and travel to other countries seems the best way to do that, don't you agree?) |
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"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message m... Jean O'Boyle wrote: "tim....." wrote in message ... "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote in message m... Bill wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:38:25 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" wrote: Whereas many of us go to Milan and Vienna and Paris for the opera and classical music. Are you prepared to define 'many' in terms of the overall population of the USA? No. (I was referring only to those of us who travel abroad.) so you are saying that "many of the USAans who travel abroad do it because they are Opera fans"? I find that hard to believe. tim No, Tim, I have visited Europe eleven times and it was not because I was an opera fan, although I did attend one in Vienna. It was to visit friends and different sites. My parents were both born in Poland so we have been there three times. This November, I will visit Portugal and Spain. More Americans have passports than you might think...we have seven members in my family alone who have one and I often travel with a group of friends who all have passports. --Jean For once you and I agree, Jean! I never meant to imply that ALL Americans were opera fans, simply that those of us who are find it a good reason for travel to Europe. (Not all of us are so insular that we don't want to experience other cultures, and travel to other countries seems the best way to do that, don't you agree?) LOL! Evelyn, yes, we do agree on that issue! ;-) It is necessary to own a passport to travel anywhere anymore, especially outside of the continental USA. I belong to several travel and cruise groups and we are always on the go! --Jean |
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On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 15:09:07 -0600, "Jean O'Boyle"
wrote: LOL! Evelyn, yes, we do agree on that issue! ;-) It is necessary to own a passport to travel anywhere anymore, especially outside of the continental USA. I belong to several travel and cruise groups and we are always on the go! We travel to Mexico frequently and never have to show the Mexican authorities our passports. However, we do show them to the American border personnel when returning. Strictily speaking, as American citizens we don't need to have passports to enter the USA, but it sure saves a lot of hassle. Dave Hatunen Viva Baja Arizona |
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"David Hatunen" wrote in message ... On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 15:09:07 -0600, "Jean O'Boyle" wrote: LOL! Evelyn, yes, we do agree on that issue! ;-) It is necessary to own a passport to travel anywhere anymore, especially outside of the continental USA. I belong to several travel and cruise groups and we are always on the go! We travel to Mexico frequently and never have to show the Mexican authorities our passports. However, we do show them to the American border personnel when returning. Strictily speaking, as American citizens we don't need to have passports to enter the USA, but it sure saves a lot of hassle. Dave Hatunen Viva Baja Arizona Some of the cruise lines now require a passport...if you become ill or have to be hospitalized and you are in a foreign country and need to fly home...you will be in deep trouble trying to fly back into the United States. Passports are the best way to go when you travel. --Jean San Antonio, Texas |
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