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Old January 3rd, 2004, 05:00 PM
Raffi Balmanoukian
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in article , Spehro Pefhany at
what wrote on 1/3/04 11:00 AM:

On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 15:19:30 +0100, the renowned "Trent Stensnes"
wrote:


"Tchiowa" wrote in message
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The US did not go to war for oil when it had some reason for doing so
(in 1973) and when the oil embargo was causing a huge problem. Why? As
has been said, that simply isn't how the US does things.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/guardianpo...114586,00.html

If we are to belive this article, the US did at least consider going to war
over oil.


Even when the Soviet Union was still around. It was a no-brainer in
2003, by comparison.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany




Aside from Australian troops in Iraq and the Moomba explosion, what exactly
does this have to do with Australasian travel?

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Old January 3rd, 2004, 05:25 PM
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Originally posted by Raffi Balmanoukian







Aside from Australian troops in Iraq and the Moomba explosion,
what exactly


does this have to do with Australasian travel?






good point, but these things do tend to go off on some wild tangents.


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Old January 3rd, 2004, 06:46 PM
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On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 13:13:32 +0100, Sjoerd wrote:


"Tchiowa" schreef in bericht
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Same thing in Iraq. Oil had absolutely nothing to do with it.


And you _really_ believe that? You must be one of the very few people in
the world to believe such a lie.


I certainly do.

I see possible reasons for the war as:

1. Offering the US folks revenge for 9/11, by just go kill Arabs.

2. Providing a showcase for the Bush doctrine of preventive attacks when
it suits him.

3. Dream on, trying to redo the map of the Middle East. A la post-WWII
Japan.

On oil, surely it would have been much much cheaper to hear Saddam begging
for negociation and offering whatever cash he wanted.

As to the 1973 story, it's quite different in the sense that these
countries *refused to sell.* That's of course a crime beyond salvation.
Imagine...

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Old January 3rd, 2004, 07:16 PM
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On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 23:25:40 +0000, Pete Loud wrote:


Hi Guys,

I am amazed that something I said over a year ago, before the Iraq war, has
suddenly re-appeared.

I can only think it was on my website, "Maps of Iraq",
http://users.powernet.co.uk/mkmarina/iraq/iraq.html

Since then the situation has changed somewhat :-o and my website has been
updated, although not recently.

To pull things back on-topic I have loads of great maps of Asia on my
websites, check them out.


Cheers,


Pete Loud






"devil" wrote in message
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On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 23:25:40 +0000, Pete Loud wrote:


Don't think I support Iraq, I don't. Bush got into power on the
contributions of the oil industry towards his election expenses, it's

now
pay-back time. He has to wrest control of the Iraqi oil fields from Iraq

and
put control into the hands of US oil industry stooges. It's tough that
thousands will be have to die to boost the oil company profits.


I actually don't buy that. For one thing, by and large, the business
community is against a war. Just look at how the markets are reacting.

Military action for physical control of oil is just not the American way
of doing things. A large fraction of European opinion sees this as a (the
only sensible, seemingly?) rationale for a war, given that it otherwise
makes no sense at all. But I don't buy it.

I am still not convinced there actually will be a war. I guess I have
been indulging in wishful thinking when I theoretized the noise would
subside after the mid-term elections. Anyway, which rationales are we
left with, besides the assumption that this administration is living in a
parallel universe, fightinmg windmills out of their own imagination?

One would be simply an exercise of killing Arabs. For the sake of the US
collective psyche, which needs revenge after the loss of face we all know
of. Which US right wing, now out of the closet en masse, is really
craving for.

Another one, somewhat less cynical if also more stupid is that this
administration may have decided they can't live any longer with our friend
Saddam making them look like fools time and again. Except, of course, if,
after the war is over, no weapon of mass destruction is found and their
dishonesty/stupidity becomes clear. Which would be the man's last

irony...





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Old January 3rd, 2004, 08:58 PM
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[Only to rec.travel.australia+nz]

Raffi Balmanoukian a wrote:

Aside from Australian troops in Iraq and the Moomba explosion, what exactly
does this have to do with Australasian travel?


Do you have a pointer to the story on "the Moomba explosion"?

Frank "'Just' back from there/Innamincka." Slootweg
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Old January 4th, 2004, 12:00 AM
Raffi Balmanoukian
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in article , Frank Slootweg at
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Raffi Balmanoukian a wrote:

Aside from Australian troops in Iraq and the Moomba explosion, what exactly
does this have to do with Australasian travel?


Do you have a pointer to the story on "the Moomba explosion"?

Frank "'Just' back from there/Innamincka." Slootweg



Check out

http://au.yahoo.com - it's in the news. ABC would also probably have it
online.

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Old January 4th, 2004, 12:39 AM
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"Frank Slootweg" wrote in message
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Raffi Balmanoukian a

wrote:

Aside from Australian troops in Iraq and the Moomba explosion, what

exactly
does this have to do with Australasian travel?


Do you have a pointer to the story on "the Moomba explosion"?

Frank "'Just' back from there/Innamincka." Slootweg


Gas production will boom, sooner or later, one way or another.

Moomba-Gidgealpa not Moomba-Melbourne.


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Old January 4th, 2004, 12:58 AM
Terry Russell
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"Terry Russell" wrote in message
news:3ff754ab$0$18693
Moomba-Gidgealpa not Moomba-Melbourne.


forgot to add
http://news.google.com.au/
-Gas crisis threatens SA jobs



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Old January 4th, 2004, 01:14 AM
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"Sjoerd" wrote in message ...
"Tchiowa" schreef in bericht
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Same thing in Iraq. Oil had absolutely nothing to do with it.


And you _really_ believe that? You must be one of the very few people in
the world to believe such a lie.


Absolutely I believe it. It doesn't make any sense that oil had
anything to do with it.

BTW, that's the business I'm in. I know for unquestioned fact that the
US oil companies would prefer it if Iraqi oil stayed off the market.
It forces the oil prices up and the oil companies are making near
record profits because of it.
 




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