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Air Transat Club Class
I'm planning a trip to Canada next year and
the Air Transat Blub Class offering looks attractive at around £500 return LGW-YVR however I havent been able to track down details of seat pitch and width Has anyone flown with them and/or have any hard information ? Keith |
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Don't do it Keith!
You better call them and have them answer you straight. Failing that, their website lists numbers of rows of seats in each class - you could compare that too the same plane with known seat pitch and see what side of the equation you were leaning to. I have flown them to the Caribbean and I though I was gonna have to cut my legs off (economy). Here are some other peoples opinions. Passenger Opinions Forum AIR TRANSAT Add a Comment to Forum Air Transat - by Marianne Baker 12 October 2004 I flew back from Toronto, with my mother on the 3rd October to Gatwick. Although the outbound flight had been excellent, unfortunately the same cannot be said for the return. Due to an administrative error a passenger had been placed in a window seat, who had requested an aisle seat, due to being claustrophobic and extremely scared of flying. Cabin crew asked passengers to swap seats as the only other available one was at the back in the middle. I decided to swap seats, however, the person I sat next to obviously knew one of the cabin crew, would not move to the window seat (as I'm not a keen flyer) and then was offered free drinks throughout the flight. Somewhat of a kick in the teeth for me who wasn't offered so much as a complimentary drink as a thank you, given that I had saved them a lot of money as they would have had to delay the flight to remove the ladies luggage as she was going to refuse to fly! We then got caught in the tail wind of a plane ahead of us. The whole plane was terrified as it was very scary. However not one of the cabin crew seemed to be concerned about the passengers and actually watched my mum trying to comfort the lady she was sat next to who was hysterical! Air Transat - by Jane Jenkins 11 October 2004 We travelled from Birmingham to Toronto in August 2004. Never again - we paid £14 each to reserve our chosen seats, arrived at airport early and were first in the queue - our seats had already been taken (how) .When we returned from holiday I wrote regarding this and as of today (11/10/04) have not received any reply. As for the flight, I think they could afford to take out a few rows of seats give us a bit more room, - and the food and service, what can we say - words fail me. Air Transat - by Doreen Saunders 4 October 2004 I have just returned yesterday from Toronto to Gatwick & was not impressed. The flight crew did not bother to do the usual belt-up, seat-up ,tray-up checks on either run, although there was the usual announcement on the tannoy. The cabin pressure was well below normal - a half-finished bottle of water in my pack was severely sucked-in at the end of my trip, and my knees & ankles still hurt even though I was wearing flight socks. There were no air-vents on the return flight (on an A330) & most of the time I felt suffocated. There was no breakfast other than one cup of coffee at the end of our overnight flight (no refills on offer), and our luggage was eventually turned out onto a carousel with that of another flight from Charlotte so there was complete chaos. Air Transat - by Patricia Munn 21 September 2004 Flew Air Transat first time from Birmingham to Toronto. Very cramped with little leg room (I am only 5'3"!) Food was very unappetising. Service o.k. The return was a night flight and unlike most airlines the lights were not dimmed at all so many people had difficulty sleeping. I unfortunately lost some items under seat when leaving plane and despite several phone calls and letters have had no response from the Airline whatsoever. I am certainly not impressed and will not use them again. Air Transat - by Caroline Lynch 10 August 2004 Flew Air Transat recently for the first time from Toronto to Shannon. OK, they were the cheapest at the time. Otherwise, not a great idea. Universal check-in for all Air Transat destinations at Toronto meant a massive queue. OK, I had excess baggage - but although this has happened to me several times, this was the only time I've been charged. My main quibble, however, was the constant round of announcements all through the flight. Most airlines let you sleep on a transAtlantic flight - this captain felt the need to alert us to something every two hours. In English and French. Booming over the tannoy. And then the cabin crew would repeat it. In English and French. Including the breakfast announcement. Lord help anyone trying to sleep through that row! We had a stopover in Dublin, to take on / let off passengers. Which I hadn't been aware of. The captain told us we would be there for up to an hour. Three hours later, during which time we were not allowed off the aircraft, we finally left for Shannon. I would have arrived faster if I had got off in Dublin and taken the train! Finally, our luggage took about 30 minutes longer than we did to arrive at the baggage hall. As a final note, we were informed over the PA that everyone would have to disembark in Shannon, including those passengers continuing to Toronto, so that the plane could be cleaned. Fair enough. Except they got a transit lounge - favouritism? My recommendation - take the flight to / from Dublin. The Shannon passengers are treated as second class on the trip to Ireland. And take a sleeping pill for this leg also. A strong one. Air Transat - by Gareth Hitchings 28 July 2004 I recently flew Air Transat from Toronto to Glasgow. I did not pre-book a seat but turned up at the airport extra early instead and managed to secure the same exit-row seat on both the outward and return flights. Air Transat fits an extra column of seats in their A310 compared to other airlines so the seats are pretty narrow. Having said that however, the plane seemed new and was in good condition as were the seats. The cabin crew were excellent. The food was mediocre but I felt it was perfectly adequate considering I'd paid less than 1/2 the price for the ticket as Air Canada. Both flights left and arrived on time. All in all then I'd say I got very good value for money and a high quality product. I will certainly fly AirTranat in future - sure it isn't the most luxurious, but relative to what you pay, it's much better value than AC. Air Transat - by Michelle Hodie 26 July 2004 I recently flew Air Transat from Edinburgh to Toronto. I found the staff pleasant and accommodating, my seat was roomy and comfy (booked the emergency exit seat in advance- well worth the £14 extra). I would recommend anyone to do the same - seats in row 13 are the best, you get more room than club class. Overall enjoyable flight! Air Transat - by Robert Heron 21 June 2004 We flew from Manchester to Toronto. The Air Transat ground crew at Manchester were ignorant. In one situation we were waiting for the flight and one of them grabbed some juice I was carrying and then laughed and returned it. At Manchester airport they are known by airport staff as the wanabe pilots because of their attire. We had asked for advice from another member of their troop and were treated like third class refugees on the Titanic. Air Transat - by Christine Bernas 4 June 2004 I've flown Air Transat twice, always from Berlin to Toronto and back, and won't make a 3rd try with this airline. The seats are very small and uncomfortable and the person in front of me sure felt my knees in her back badly over hours, since there was absolutely too little legroom. Other airlines offer around 80 cm and here was just 67 cm estimated. The crew was friendly and service was mainly ok the first time, but later I had the impression if you once had closed your eyes for a minute, the crew passed by quickly without even considering serving you a drink, and you better make the first round of served drinks, as it was rare they showed up later again with a selection. On my second flight there wasn't even something what I could call service, as due to the SARS scare we were just around 40 passengers in a 747 as lots of people had cancelled their Canada trips. To make matters worse, the plane was 5 hours delayed and put in an extra stop in Warsaw (the opposite direction to Canada) although I booked a direct flight. Nobody had called me to announce this change and I practically found out by myself wondering why the flight duration on the Internet was now stated with 12 hours instead of 8:30. To come back to the service on this flight. They basically just served the meals and if you wanted a drink you either had to get it by yourself or push the service button. Also there was a wide selection of water, water or water. The entertainment system, well, the movies were ok, but you better don't select a music channel. Very bad quality and they play the same tape all over again on different channels with a little time shift to give the impression of having more than one channel and to make the Earphones 4 Euro worth you had to pay for. In all I can say, even at this low fare, I felt the need to ask for my money back. Flying this airline on short durations might be a good deal, but I'd advice against choosing Air Transat for longer durations, except you've been a short person. Air Transat - by Lucas Tam 4 April 2004 I flew Air Transat a couple fo times on packaged vacations to Europe. Air Transat offered good efficient service. Nothing fancy but nothing to complain about either. Overall not a bad choice. Air Transat - by Laszlo Dani 23 March 2004 Possibly the smallest seat pitch I've suffered from recently - Toronto to St Petersburgh. Air Transat - by Clarice Ryder 21 March 2004 I flew Air Transat in the spring of 2003. Never again. The flight was wonderful, the cabin crew likewise, and my complaint is the administrative planning. Since I am a senior citizen I like to fly non-stop from Toronto to Manchester, UK. This was confirmed on my reservation. Then the confusion started. Phone call #l. The plane will not be leaving at the times you were advised. Phone call #2. Your plane will be stopping in Gatwick( nightmare). Request from the airline - please confirm your return flight. I tried - the recorded message was the number had been changed and I should call 0000-00 (or whatever the number was). Called that number and the phone must have been in the middle of a hangar as there was no reply. So, I arrived at the airport at the time suggested for my return flight, only to find the plane had been boarded and I was taken aboard about 10 minutes before flight time (and advised I should have been on time) - to Gatwick! When I reboarded at Gatwick, there was a person in my seat and I found they had changed my seat for the return trip. "Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ... I'm planning a trip to Canada next year and the Air Transat Blub Class offering looks attractive at around £500 return LGW-YVR however I havent been able to track down details of seat pitch and width Has anyone flown with them and/or have any hard information ? Keith |
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Don't do it Keith!
You better call them and have them answer you straight. Failing that, their website lists numbers of rows of seats in each class - you could compare that too the same plane with known seat pitch and see what side of the equation you were leaning to. I have flown them to the Caribbean and I though I was gonna have to cut my legs off (economy). Here are some other peoples opinions. Passenger Opinions Forum AIR TRANSAT Add a Comment to Forum Air Transat - by Marianne Baker 12 October 2004 I flew back from Toronto, with my mother on the 3rd October to Gatwick. Although the outbound flight had been excellent, unfortunately the same cannot be said for the return. Due to an administrative error a passenger had been placed in a window seat, who had requested an aisle seat, due to being claustrophobic and extremely scared of flying. Cabin crew asked passengers to swap seats as the only other available one was at the back in the middle. I decided to swap seats, however, the person I sat next to obviously knew one of the cabin crew, would not move to the window seat (as I'm not a keen flyer) and then was offered free drinks throughout the flight. Somewhat of a kick in the teeth for me who wasn't offered so much as a complimentary drink as a thank you, given that I had saved them a lot of money as they would have had to delay the flight to remove the ladies luggage as she was going to refuse to fly! We then got caught in the tail wind of a plane ahead of us. The whole plane was terrified as it was very scary. However not one of the cabin crew seemed to be concerned about the passengers and actually watched my mum trying to comfort the lady she was sat next to who was hysterical! Air Transat - by Jane Jenkins 11 October 2004 We travelled from Birmingham to Toronto in August 2004. Never again - we paid £14 each to reserve our chosen seats, arrived at airport early and were first in the queue - our seats had already been taken (how) .When we returned from holiday I wrote regarding this and as of today (11/10/04) have not received any reply. As for the flight, I think they could afford to take out a few rows of seats give us a bit more room, - and the food and service, what can we say - words fail me. Air Transat - by Doreen Saunders 4 October 2004 I have just returned yesterday from Toronto to Gatwick & was not impressed. The flight crew did not bother to do the usual belt-up, seat-up ,tray-up checks on either run, although there was the usual announcement on the tannoy. The cabin pressure was well below normal - a half-finished bottle of water in my pack was severely sucked-in at the end of my trip, and my knees & ankles still hurt even though I was wearing flight socks. There were no air-vents on the return flight (on an A330) & most of the time I felt suffocated. There was no breakfast other than one cup of coffee at the end of our overnight flight (no refills on offer), and our luggage was eventually turned out onto a carousel with that of another flight from Charlotte so there was complete chaos. Air Transat - by Patricia Munn 21 September 2004 Flew Air Transat first time from Birmingham to Toronto. Very cramped with little leg room (I am only 5'3"!) Food was very unappetising. Service o.k. The return was a night flight and unlike most airlines the lights were not dimmed at all so many people had difficulty sleeping. I unfortunately lost some items under seat when leaving plane and despite several phone calls and letters have had no response from the Airline whatsoever. I am certainly not impressed and will not use them again. Air Transat - by Caroline Lynch 10 August 2004 Flew Air Transat recently for the first time from Toronto to Shannon. OK, they were the cheapest at the time. Otherwise, not a great idea. Universal check-in for all Air Transat destinations at Toronto meant a massive queue. OK, I had excess baggage - but although this has happened to me several times, this was the only time I've been charged. My main quibble, however, was the constant round of announcements all through the flight. Most airlines let you sleep on a transAtlantic flight - this captain felt the need to alert us to something every two hours. In English and French. Booming over the tannoy. And then the cabin crew would repeat it. In English and French. Including the breakfast announcement. Lord help anyone trying to sleep through that row! We had a stopover in Dublin, to take on / let off passengers. Which I hadn't been aware of. The captain told us we would be there for up to an hour. Three hours later, during which time we were not allowed off the aircraft, we finally left for Shannon. I would have arrived faster if I had got off in Dublin and taken the train! Finally, our luggage took about 30 minutes longer than we did to arrive at the baggage hall. As a final note, we were informed over the PA that everyone would have to disembark in Shannon, including those passengers continuing to Toronto, so that the plane could be cleaned. Fair enough. Except they got a transit lounge - favouritism? My recommendation - take the flight to / from Dublin. The Shannon passengers are treated as second class on the trip to Ireland. And take a sleeping pill for this leg also. A strong one. Air Transat - by Gareth Hitchings 28 July 2004 I recently flew Air Transat from Toronto to Glasgow. I did not pre-book a seat but turned up at the airport extra early instead and managed to secure the same exit-row seat on both the outward and return flights. Air Transat fits an extra column of seats in their A310 compared to other airlines so the seats are pretty narrow. Having said that however, the plane seemed new and was in good condition as were the seats. The cabin crew were excellent. The food was mediocre but I felt it was perfectly adequate considering I'd paid less than 1/2 the price for the ticket as Air Canada. Both flights left and arrived on time. All in all then I'd say I got very good value for money and a high quality product. I will certainly fly AirTranat in future - sure it isn't the most luxurious, but relative to what you pay, it's much better value than AC. Air Transat - by Michelle Hodie 26 July 2004 I recently flew Air Transat from Edinburgh to Toronto. I found the staff pleasant and accommodating, my seat was roomy and comfy (booked the emergency exit seat in advance- well worth the £14 extra). I would recommend anyone to do the same - seats in row 13 are the best, you get more room than club class. Overall enjoyable flight! Air Transat - by Robert Heron 21 June 2004 We flew from Manchester to Toronto. The Air Transat ground crew at Manchester were ignorant. In one situation we were waiting for the flight and one of them grabbed some juice I was carrying and then laughed and returned it. At Manchester airport they are known by airport staff as the wanabe pilots because of their attire. We had asked for advice from another member of their troop and were treated like third class refugees on the Titanic. Air Transat - by Christine Bernas 4 June 2004 I've flown Air Transat twice, always from Berlin to Toronto and back, and won't make a 3rd try with this airline. The seats are very small and uncomfortable and the person in front of me sure felt my knees in her back badly over hours, since there was absolutely too little legroom. Other airlines offer around 80 cm and here was just 67 cm estimated. The crew was friendly and service was mainly ok the first time, but later I had the impression if you once had closed your eyes for a minute, the crew passed by quickly without even considering serving you a drink, and you better make the first round of served drinks, as it was rare they showed up later again with a selection. On my second flight there wasn't even something what I could call service, as due to the SARS scare we were just around 40 passengers in a 747 as lots of people had cancelled their Canada trips. To make matters worse, the plane was 5 hours delayed and put in an extra stop in Warsaw (the opposite direction to Canada) although I booked a direct flight. Nobody had called me to announce this change and I practically found out by myself wondering why the flight duration on the Internet was now stated with 12 hours instead of 8:30. To come back to the service on this flight. They basically just served the meals and if you wanted a drink you either had to get it by yourself or push the service button. Also there was a wide selection of water, water or water. The entertainment system, well, the movies were ok, but you better don't select a music channel. Very bad quality and they play the same tape all over again on different channels with a little time shift to give the impression of having more than one channel and to make the Earphones 4 Euro worth you had to pay for. In all I can say, even at this low fare, I felt the need to ask for my money back. Flying this airline on short durations might be a good deal, but I'd advice against choosing Air Transat for longer durations, except you've been a short person. Air Transat - by Lucas Tam 4 April 2004 I flew Air Transat a couple fo times on packaged vacations to Europe. Air Transat offered good efficient service. Nothing fancy but nothing to complain about either. Overall not a bad choice. Air Transat - by Laszlo Dani 23 March 2004 Possibly the smallest seat pitch I've suffered from recently - Toronto to St Petersburgh. Air Transat - by Clarice Ryder 21 March 2004 I flew Air Transat in the spring of 2003. Never again. The flight was wonderful, the cabin crew likewise, and my complaint is the administrative planning. Since I am a senior citizen I like to fly non-stop from Toronto to Manchester, UK. This was confirmed on my reservation. Then the confusion started. Phone call #l. The plane will not be leaving at the times you were advised. Phone call #2. Your plane will be stopping in Gatwick( nightmare). Request from the airline - please confirm your return flight. I tried - the recorded message was the number had been changed and I should call 0000-00 (or whatever the number was). Called that number and the phone must have been in the middle of a hangar as there was no reply. So, I arrived at the airport at the time suggested for my return flight, only to find the plane had been boarded and I was taken aboard about 10 minutes before flight time (and advised I should have been on time) - to Gatwick! When I reboarded at Gatwick, there was a person in my seat and I found they had changed my seat for the return trip. "Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ... I'm planning a trip to Canada next year and the Air Transat Blub Class offering looks attractive at around £500 return LGW-YVR however I havent been able to track down details of seat pitch and width Has anyone flown with them and/or have any hard information ? Keith |
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Username: Canuckpaxguy From Canada, joined Sep 2003, 302 posts, RR: 21 Reply: 2 Posted Sun Oct 3 2004 21:54:59 UTC+1 and read 1489 times: First off, let me say you're welcome back to Canada ANY TIME! Don't forget that a good part of the volume between UK and YYZ are also Canadians going to visit the UK, not just Brits coming to see us Canucks...but of course, I wish everyone could come and see my beautiful country. London is also a very cheap place for us Canucks to connect to other parts of Europe, Asia and Africa. I'll be flying via LHR for an upcoming trip to South Africa, so that could also help explain the high volume of pax. As for the seat pitch on Zoom and Air Transat....neither are good. You'll notice it's very difficult to find any seat-pitch data for Transat. In fact, if you email them the question, don't expect an answer...I've tried it myself. If you fly Air Transat, fork over the extra dough for Club Class if you're taller than 5'0". I'm not a huge TS fan, but I've not flown Zoom before. A friend of mine did, and while he said the service was superior to Air Transat, the seat pitch is likely no different. That aside ... BA and AC have several non-stop from YYZ to LHR as well as other locations in Canada and the UK. The charter airlines have certainly had an impact, but it would appear pax volumes continue to be maintained. I'm not sure if I've helped you in answer to your question, so for what it's worth, let some of us YYZers know when you're coming next and we'll make sure to give you a proper tour. "Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ... I'm planning a trip to Canada next year and the Air Transat Blub Class offering looks attractive at around £500 return LGW-YVR however I havent been able to track down details of seat pitch and width Has anyone flown with them and/or have any hard information ? Keith |
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Username: Canuckpaxguy From Canada, joined Sep 2003, 302 posts, RR: 21 Reply: 2 Posted Sun Oct 3 2004 21:54:59 UTC+1 and read 1489 times: First off, let me say you're welcome back to Canada ANY TIME! Don't forget that a good part of the volume between UK and YYZ are also Canadians going to visit the UK, not just Brits coming to see us Canucks...but of course, I wish everyone could come and see my beautiful country. London is also a very cheap place for us Canucks to connect to other parts of Europe, Asia and Africa. I'll be flying via LHR for an upcoming trip to South Africa, so that could also help explain the high volume of pax. As for the seat pitch on Zoom and Air Transat....neither are good. You'll notice it's very difficult to find any seat-pitch data for Transat. In fact, if you email them the question, don't expect an answer...I've tried it myself. If you fly Air Transat, fork over the extra dough for Club Class if you're taller than 5'0". I'm not a huge TS fan, but I've not flown Zoom before. A friend of mine did, and while he said the service was superior to Air Transat, the seat pitch is likely no different. That aside ... BA and AC have several non-stop from YYZ to LHR as well as other locations in Canada and the UK. The charter airlines have certainly had an impact, but it would appear pax volumes continue to be maintained. I'm not sure if I've helped you in answer to your question, so for what it's worth, let some of us YYZers know when you're coming next and we'll make sure to give you a proper tour. "Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ... I'm planning a trip to Canada next year and the Air Transat Blub Class offering looks attractive at around £500 return LGW-YVR however I havent been able to track down details of seat pitch and width Has anyone flown with them and/or have any hard information ? Keith |
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Traveller wins lawsuit over cramped airplane seat CTV News Staff A British judge says airlines must give passengers more space than the average economy-class seat, after a passenger sued a travel company for his discomfort. Though the decision isn't legally binding on airlines, it could open the door to more lawsuits by cramped travellers. Brian Horan, a 57-year-old British businessman, was awarded $1,140 for the intense pain he developed in his legs during a flight from Calgary to Manchester. The ruling upheld an earlier decision that found Horan's travel company had failed to supply travel "to a reasonable standard" as part of a ski vacation package that cost nearly $10,000. The judge ruled airlines should provide seats with a minimum pitch of 84 centimetres on long-haul flights. Pitch refers to the distance from the back of one seat to the back of the seat in front of it. On the flight in question, the pitch fell nearly 13 centimetres short of the standard. While smaller seats may be acceptable on shorter flights, the roomier standards should be met for long-haul trans-Atlantic flights, the judge said. Most Canadian airlines have economy class seats with seat pitches of less than 84 centimetres. Seat pitch on international flights at Air Canada ranges from 81 centimetres to 84 centimetres. The range is 73.6 to 78.7 centimetres at Air Transat and 73.6 to 96.5 centimetres at WestJet Airlines Ltd., which flies only domestically. After his flight, Horan initially believed he had contracted deep vein thrombosis, commonly known as economy class syndrome. Deep vein thrombosis occurs when a blood clot forms in one of the body's deep veins -- usually in the leg -- and has been associated with sitting in a tight space for a long time and the cramped quarters of long flights. Horan says because he had paid for a luxury ski vacation, he never expected to be forced to travel in a "veal crate transporter." Earlier this year, a Quebec coroner's report confirmed Canada's first fatal case of economy class syndrome. An African woman died in August, 2000 while travelling from Uganda to Montreal. Both Air Canada and Air Transat have sections in their in-flight magazines showing passengers exercises that may reduce the risk. "Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ... I'm planning a trip to Canada next year and the Air Transat Blub Class offering looks attractive at around £500 return LGW-YVR however I havent been able to track down details of seat pitch and width Has anyone flown with them and/or have any hard information ? Keith |
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Traveller wins lawsuit over cramped airplane seat CTV News Staff A British judge says airlines must give passengers more space than the average economy-class seat, after a passenger sued a travel company for his discomfort. Though the decision isn't legally binding on airlines, it could open the door to more lawsuits by cramped travellers. Brian Horan, a 57-year-old British businessman, was awarded $1,140 for the intense pain he developed in his legs during a flight from Calgary to Manchester. The ruling upheld an earlier decision that found Horan's travel company had failed to supply travel "to a reasonable standard" as part of a ski vacation package that cost nearly $10,000. The judge ruled airlines should provide seats with a minimum pitch of 84 centimetres on long-haul flights. Pitch refers to the distance from the back of one seat to the back of the seat in front of it. On the flight in question, the pitch fell nearly 13 centimetres short of the standard. While smaller seats may be acceptable on shorter flights, the roomier standards should be met for long-haul trans-Atlantic flights, the judge said. Most Canadian airlines have economy class seats with seat pitches of less than 84 centimetres. Seat pitch on international flights at Air Canada ranges from 81 centimetres to 84 centimetres. The range is 73.6 to 78.7 centimetres at Air Transat and 73.6 to 96.5 centimetres at WestJet Airlines Ltd., which flies only domestically. After his flight, Horan initially believed he had contracted deep vein thrombosis, commonly known as economy class syndrome. Deep vein thrombosis occurs when a blood clot forms in one of the body's deep veins -- usually in the leg -- and has been associated with sitting in a tight space for a long time and the cramped quarters of long flights. Horan says because he had paid for a luxury ski vacation, he never expected to be forced to travel in a "veal crate transporter." Earlier this year, a Quebec coroner's report confirmed Canada's first fatal case of economy class syndrome. An African woman died in August, 2000 while travelling from Uganda to Montreal. Both Air Canada and Air Transat have sections in their in-flight magazines showing passengers exercises that may reduce the risk. "Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ... I'm planning a trip to Canada next year and the Air Transat Blub Class offering looks attractive at around £500 return LGW-YVR however I havent been able to track down details of seat pitch and width Has anyone flown with them and/or have any hard information ? Keith |
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Traveller wins lawsuit over cramped airplane seat CTV News Staff A British judge says airlines must give passengers more space than the average economy-class seat, after a passenger sued a travel company for his discomfort. Though the decision isn't legally binding on airlines, it could open the door to more lawsuits by cramped travellers. Brian Horan, a 57-year-old British businessman, was awarded $1,140 for the intense pain he developed in his legs during a flight from Calgary to Manchester. The ruling upheld an earlier decision that found Horan's travel company had failed to supply travel "to a reasonable standard" as part of a ski vacation package that cost nearly $10,000. The judge ruled airlines should provide seats with a minimum pitch of 84 centimetres on long-haul flights. Pitch refers to the distance from the back of one seat to the back of the seat in front of it. On the flight in question, the pitch fell nearly 13 centimetres short of the standard. While smaller seats may be acceptable on shorter flights, the roomier standards should be met for long-haul trans-Atlantic flights, the judge said. Most Canadian airlines have economy class seats with seat pitches of less than 84 centimetres. Seat pitch on international flights at Air Canada ranges from 81 centimetres to 84 centimetres. The range is 73.6 to 78.7 centimetres at Air Transat and 73.6 to 96.5 centimetres at WestJet Airlines Ltd., which flies only domestically. After his flight, Horan initially believed he had contracted deep vein thrombosis, commonly known as economy class syndrome. Deep vein thrombosis occurs when a blood clot forms in one of the body's deep veins -- usually in the leg -- and has been associated with sitting in a tight space for a long time and the cramped quarters of long flights. Horan says because he had paid for a luxury ski vacation, he never expected to be forced to travel in a "veal crate transporter." Earlier this year, a Quebec coroner's report confirmed Canada's first fatal case of economy class syndrome. An African woman died in August, 2000 while travelling from Uganda to Montreal. Both Air Canada and Air Transat have sections in their in-flight magazines showing passengers exercises that may reduce the risk. "Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ... I'm planning a trip to Canada next year and the Air Transat Blub Class offering looks attractive at around £500 return LGW-YVR however I havent been able to track down details of seat pitch and width Has anyone flown with them and/or have any hard information ? Keith |
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Traveller wins lawsuit over cramped airplane seat CTV News Staff A British judge says airlines must give passengers more space than the average economy-class seat, after a passenger sued a travel company for his discomfort. Though the decision isn't legally binding on airlines, it could open the door to more lawsuits by cramped travellers. Brian Horan, a 57-year-old British businessman, was awarded $1,140 for the intense pain he developed in his legs during a flight from Calgary to Manchester. The ruling upheld an earlier decision that found Horan's travel company had failed to supply travel "to a reasonable standard" as part of a ski vacation package that cost nearly $10,000. The judge ruled airlines should provide seats with a minimum pitch of 84 centimetres on long-haul flights. Pitch refers to the distance from the back of one seat to the back of the seat in front of it. On the flight in question, the pitch fell nearly 13 centimetres short of the standard. While smaller seats may be acceptable on shorter flights, the roomier standards should be met for long-haul trans-Atlantic flights, the judge said. Most Canadian airlines have economy class seats with seat pitches of less than 84 centimetres. Seat pitch on international flights at Air Canada ranges from 81 centimetres to 84 centimetres. The range is 73.6 to 78.7 centimetres at Air Transat and 73.6 to 96.5 centimetres at WestJet Airlines Ltd., which flies only domestically. After his flight, Horan initially believed he had contracted deep vein thrombosis, commonly known as economy class syndrome. Deep vein thrombosis occurs when a blood clot forms in one of the body's deep veins -- usually in the leg -- and has been associated with sitting in a tight space for a long time and the cramped quarters of long flights. Horan says because he had paid for a luxury ski vacation, he never expected to be forced to travel in a "veal crate transporter." Earlier this year, a Quebec coroner's report confirmed Canada's first fatal case of economy class syndrome. An African woman died in August, 2000 while travelling from Uganda to Montreal. Both Air Canada and Air Transat have sections in their in-flight magazines showing passengers exercises that may reduce the risk. "Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ... I'm planning a trip to Canada next year and the Air Transat Blub Class offering looks attractive at around £500 return LGW-YVR however I havent been able to track down details of seat pitch and width Has anyone flown with them and/or have any hard information ? Keith |
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I'm planning a trip to Canada next year and
the Air Transat Blub Class offering looks attractive at around =A3500 return LGW-YVR however I havent been able to track down details of seat pitch and width Has anyone flown with them and/or have any hard information ? Flew with them 2 weeks ago as economy class passengers. Take sandwiches ! The "window" club class seats were, IIRC, two deep, instead of the three=20 deep in economy, and at a guess, the centre seats were 3 or 4 wide=20 instead of approx 5 in economy. The food was a *lot* better in club class, but i`m not sure if they were=20 worth =A3350-=A3400 (which is a typical price difference) Even in economy the seats weren`t as cramped as other flights i`ve been=20 on, and it wasn`t particularly uncomfortable despite the fact I weigh=20 over 17 stone ! --=20 Please add "[newsgroup]" in the subject of any personal replies via email --- My new email address has "ngspamtrap" & @btinternet.com in it ;-) --- |
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