What to expect?

I haven't flown since they instituted these new rules for fluids. So what
should I expect at the security checkpoint? It used to be that I could
just put my carry-on bag into the x-ray machine, and that's it. Is that
still the case now? Or do they want you to open up your bag and go thru
everything by hand? How else could they know that you're not sneaking
extra fluids in your bag?

"void" wrote:
I haven't flown since they instituted these new rules for fluids.
So what should I expect at the security checkpoint? It used
to be that I could just put my carry-on bag into the x-ray
machine, and that's it. Is that still the case now?

Yes. Apparently, their machines can "see" containers w-fluids.
However, you need to undress, so they can do a full body
cavity search. I suggest wearing a robe+slippers to the airport.

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:43:38 -0500 "void" wrote:

:I haven't flown since they instituted these new rules for fluids. So what
:should I expect at the security checkpoint? It used to be that I could
:just put my carry-on bag into the x-ray machine, and that's it. Is that
:still the case now? Or do they want you to open up your bag and go thru
:everything by hand? How else could they know that you're not sneaking
:extra fluids in your bag?

It is advisable to remove the fluid bag.

They may notice the gaps and if big enough will then need to take apart your
carry-on.

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Binyamin Dissen wrote:

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:43:38 -0500 "void" wrote:

:I haven't flown since they instituted these new rules for fluids. So what
:should I expect at the security checkpoint? It used to be that I could
:just put my carry-on bag into the x-ray machine, and that's it. Is that
:still the case now? Or do they want you to open up your bag and go thru
:everything by hand? How else could they know that you're not sneaking
:extra fluids in your bag?

It is advisable to remove the fluid bag.

They may notice the gaps and if big enough will then need to take apart your
carry-on.


Yes, please mind the gaps.

"void" wrote in message
...
I haven't flown since they instituted these new rules for fluids. So what
should I expect at the security checkpoint? It used to be that I could
just put my carry-on bag into the x-ray machine, and that's it. Is that
still the case now? Or do they want you to open up your bag and go thru
everything by hand? How else could they know that you're not sneaking
extra fluids in your bag?

Computer comes out of your carryon and is placed in a separate bin.

The Kip Hawley Freedom Bag, aka 1-quart baggie with your 3 oz fluids, comes
out and is placed in a separate bin.

Shoes come off and are placed in the bin with the baggie.

Jacket or sweater comes off and is placed in the bin with the baggie.

Medications (which can include over-the-counter) come out and are separately
"declared," as in, "Yo, TSA guy, I have these medications.")

Needless to say, no metal on your person -- cellphones, Blackberries,
watches, glasses, pens, etc. in your carryon or in a bin.

Keep your boarding pass with you -- don't leave it in your carryon or jacket
pocket.

Your bag may still be selected for additional inspection, which will consist
of a search of varying degrees of thoroughness and swabbing to test for
explosive residue.

You may still be selected for secondary inspection, which will consist of a
wanding, a pat down and, possibly, inappropriate groping.

You may be selected to go through the puffer.

Your best best: use your carrier's elite line if you have status with the
airline or have bought a first class ticket. TSA inspection is more
professional on the elite lines, less intrusive and considerably faster.

On Jul 25, 3:13 pm, "PTravel" wrote:
"void" wrote in message

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I haven't flown since they instituted these new rules for fluids. So what
should I expect at the security checkpoint? It used to be that I could
just put my carry-on bag into the x-ray machine, and that's it. Is that
still the case now? Or do they want you to open up your bag and go thru
everything by hand? How else could they know that you're not sneaking
extra fluids in your bag?

Computer comes out of your carryon and is placed in a separate bin.

The Kip Hawley Freedom Bag, aka 1-quart baggie with your 3 oz fluids, comes
out and is placed in a separate bin.

Shoes come off and are placed in the bin with the baggie.

Jacket or sweater comes off and is placed in the bin with the baggie.

Medications (which can include over-the-counter) come out and are separately
"declared," as in, "Yo, TSA guy, I have these medications.")

Needless to say, no metal on your person -- cellphones, Blackberries,
watches, glasses, pens, etc. in your carryon or in a bin.

Keep your boarding pass with you -- don't leave it in your carryon or jacket
pocket.

Your bag may still be selected for additional inspection, which will consist
of a search of varying degrees of thoroughness and swabbing to test for
explosive residue.

You may still be selected for secondary inspection, which will consist of a
wanding, a pat down and, possibly, inappropriate groping.

You may be selected to go through the puffer.

Your best best: use your carrier's elite line if you have status with the
airline or have bought a first class ticket. TSA inspection is more
professional on the elite lines, less intrusive and considerably faster.



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I disagree using the elite lines save you anything. My observation is
the TSA does not make any distinction and they shouldn't. I just pick
the line that is shorter. Sometime the elite lines take longer to get
through.

"yaofeng" wrote in message
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On Jul 25, 3:13 pm, "PTravel" wrote:
"void" wrote in message

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I haven't flown since they instituted these new rules for fluids. So
what
should I expect at the security checkpoint? It used to be that I could
just put my carry-on bag into the x-ray machine, and that's it. Is that
still the case now? Or do they want you to open up your bag and go thru
everything by hand? How else could they know that you're not sneaking
extra fluids in your bag?

Computer comes out of your carryon and is placed in a separate bin.

The Kip Hawley Freedom Bag, aka 1-quart baggie with your 3 oz fluids,
comes
out and is placed in a separate bin.

Shoes come off and are placed in the bin with the baggie.

Jacket or sweater comes off and is placed in the bin with the baggie.

Medications (which can include over-the-counter) come out and are
separately
"declared," as in, "Yo, TSA guy, I have these medications.")

Needless to say, no metal on your person -- cellphones, Blackberries,
watches, glasses, pens, etc. in your carryon or in a bin.

Keep your boarding pass with you -- don't leave it in your carryon or
jacket
pocket.

Your bag may still be selected for additional inspection, which will
consist
of a search of varying degrees of thoroughness and swabbing to test for
explosive residue.

You may still be selected for secondary inspection, which will consist of
a
wanding, a pat down and, possibly, inappropriate groping.

You may be selected to go through the puffer.

Your best best: use your carrier's elite line if you have status with the
airline or have bought a first class ticket. TSA inspection is more
professional on the elite lines, less intrusive and considerably faster.



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I disagree using the elite lines save you anything. My observation is
the TSA does not make any distinction and they shouldn't. I just pick
the line that is shorter. Sometime the elite lines take longer to get
through.

At least at UA at SFO and LAX, TSA doesn't make the same assumptions about
the relative stupidity of passengers (deservedly so). My experience is that
these lines move far faster than the non-elite line, unless the line dragons
bring over a bunch of non-elites because they want to "even things out." In
any event, regardless of TSA, the elite line will generally move faster
because elites know the drill, unlike the Kettles and Gomers ("I can't bring
this quart bottle of Pepsi?" "Oh, I have to take off all my metal jewelery?"
"I don't want to take of my shoes -- do you have some socks I can borrow?"
etc.).

PTravel wrote:

Computer comes out of your carryon and is placed in a separate bin.

The Kip Hawley Freedom Bag, aka 1-quart baggie with your 3 oz fluids,
comes out and is placed in a separate bin.


From tsa.gov, noted as permitted:

"Baby formula, breast milk, and juice if a baby or small child is
traveling; "

If there really is a security risk in permitting liquids, how does
bringing a small child eliminate this risk?

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NotABushSupporter wrote:

PTravel wrote:

Computer comes out of your carryon and is placed in a separate bin.

The Kip Hawley Freedom Bag, aka 1-quart baggie with your 3 oz fluids,
comes out and is placed in a separate bin.


From tsa.gov, noted as permitted:

"Baby formula, breast milk, and juice if a baby or small child is
traveling; "

If there really is a security risk in permitting liquids, how does
bringing a small child eliminate this risk?

The same way placing the liquid in a plastic bag mitigates the risk.

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what fool came up with, "Quit while you're ahead"?

"void" wrote in message
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I haven't flown since they instituted these new rules for fluids. So what
should I expect at the security checkpoint?

Heathrow airport security staff have prepared a PDF you can download:
http://www.heathrowairport.com/assets/B2CPortal/Static%20Files/hand_baggage_29Aug.pdf

It may be that the airport you're flying from has something similar.

How else could they know that you're not sneaking extra fluids in your
bag?

I carelessly failed to double-check a rucsac I'd been using for day trips,
and which I retasked as a carry-on bag. At the bottom of the bag I'd missed
a partially used tube of sunscreen. My stupid carelessness caused additional
work for the screeners, who had to take me and my baggage aside for special
examination when the tube showed up on X-ray, and added ten minutes or more
to my time passing through the security check.

Martin.

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