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Chirac warns of 'African flood'
Jim Ley writes:
How much what? How much do we have in the way of resources in the world, and how many people will it support, and with what standard of living? I have no idea what a "and with what standard of living?" can apply to an exactly ... I agree. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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Chirac warns of 'African flood'
Jim Ley writes:
Let's be clear controlling family size is not a sensible solution for African poverty. Why not? -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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Chirac warns of 'African flood'
On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:57:01 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote: Jim Ley writes: Which was covered, it does nothing to provide for the rest of the population as they age. You cannot provide for the aged through a spiral of ever-increasing population, either. Handling the aged is a matter of raising the standard of living, and increasing the population is in direct conflict with this goal. No it's not, you're confusing things, releiving poverty causes a reduction in birth rates - the population ages, that's simply a result of improved life expectancy, it's not the other way around, no country ever got rich by killing all its children. If you don't control population, eventually everyone will be living in poverty, and then they will starve. That's an interesting conclusion, and one that seems likely, especially as it was forecast in the 60's and 70's to be true by now, but it far from happened, indeed we are still having to limit food production. whilst of course you might be true in the extreme that infinite population growth is a problem (although everyone wouldn't die of starvation obviously) It's not a problem we're remotely approaching now, and certainly not something worth be concerned with now. Reducing poverty is a much more important aim. Jim. |
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Chirac warns of 'African flood'
On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:59:29 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote: Jim Ley writes: ... the not having any more born was covered too ... Covered? Yes, the post dealt with it, you just chose to ignore it. ... it's just as a naiive solution as you normally come up with. If you don't control births and you don't kill anyone, nature will kill everyone. No it won't, that's simply not true It's hard to decrease poverty when the population is doubling every few years and more than half the people alive are still dependents themselves. Except of course many communities in the world have done it without a problem, all the rich countries we have now had growing populations as they became rich... Not let people have any children for the "greater good" ? No. I think people should be restricted in the number of children they can have, So you do believe in controlling the individuals ability to have children for a "greater good" ? If you had to pick a political ideology that had similar beliefs, which would you choose? Jim. |
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Chirac warns of 'African flood'
On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 20:00:22 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote: Jim Ley writes: How much what? How much do we have in the way of resources in the world, in practical terms, much more than we need. and how many people will it support, and with what standard of living? I answered those... Jim. |
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Chirac warns of 'African flood'
On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 20:02:21 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote: Jim Ley writes: Let's be clear controlling family size is not a sensible solution for African poverty. Why not? Because it it's not the cause of poverty, it's a by product of the poverty which leads to high mortality rates. You need to fight the causes. Jim. |
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Chirac warns of 'African flood'
"Mxsmanic" wrote in message ... Jim Ley writes: Rubbish, whilst there is not an infinite amount of resources, there is certainly more than enough for much larger population than the earth has now. How much, exactly, and with what standard of living? A lot, and with a quality of life at least the equal of yours. JohnT |
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Chirac warns of 'African flood'
"Mxsmanic" wrote in message ... I think people should be restricted in the number of children they can have, but obviously reproduction cannot be completely prohibited. Why "obviously"? JohnT |
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Chirac warns of 'African flood'
On 15 Jul 2006 00:59:51 -0700, "Hooverphonic"
wrote: B Vaughan wrote: On 14 Jul 2006 12:01:22 -0700, "Hooverphonic" wrote: but if I look at what is on the news about Africa its always doom and gloom from a people / wildlife / environment perspective. if the population is going up there will only be less to go round and they will remain in poverty, with wildlife and environment suffering the consequences. Africa is at present not very densely populated, though, so population increase doesn't necessarily mean that the environment will be trashed. Also each African represents a tiny percentage of the world's energy consumption compared to a European or an American. I remember how very dark the nights were in Zambia, even near cities, and how luminous the stars were as a consequence. It was really a beautiful country, red soil, dark green vegetation, very blue rivers and skies. However, rapid growth means an ever-increasing burden on schools, hospitals, and other resources. The last I heard, though, growth is slowing down, mainly due to decreases in fertility. -- Barbara Vaughan My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup |
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Chirac warns of 'African flood'
On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 12:03:01 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote: Hooverphonic writes: if the population is going up there will only be less to go round and they will remain in poverty, with wildlife and environment suffering the consequences. Correct. That's the problem with overpopulation anywhere (including on the planet as a whole). Except that Africa as a whole (aside from certain cities) is not very densely populated. -- Barbara Vaughan My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup |
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