Clueless first-timer needs advice about cruises please

Sue and Kevin Mullen wrote:

Kevin doesn't own a tux, I won't let him buy one untill his size is
stable.

LOL. Priceless!

On 05 Aug 2004 21:43:49 GMT, ando (RTCReferee)
wrote:

Then of course there are the snobs that want to require everyone on the
ship to dress up otherwise it ruins their whole cruise experience.

It has nothing to do with snobbery. It relates to manners and courtesy.

Unfortunately, wearing a suit does not guarantee either manners or
courtesy. Dressing up has no relationship with either.

Bob T.

On 05 Aug 2004 21:43:49 GMT, ando (RTCReferee)
wrote:

Then of course there are the snobs that want to require everyone on the
ship to dress up otherwise it ruins their whole cruise experience.

It has nothing to do with snobbery. It relates to manners and courtesy.

Unfortunately, wearing a suit does not guarantee either manners or
courtesy. Dressing up has no relationship with either.

Bob T.

On 05 Aug 2004 20:20:12 GMT, ando (RTCReferee)
wrote:

Bob Thomas wrote:

In other words, in order for you to feel comfortable you want to exile
those who don't dress up to a lesser part of the ship?

In your case, the short answer might just be: YES.

Odd. I just read one of your message in which you alluded to the
"manners and courtesy" which goes with those who dress up. Apparently
you didn't read your last message.

You will have opportunities off the ship to use these articles of clothing,
especially if you are in Europe for an extended time, trust me. I lived there,
not just visited, and you will have more options on land, too. You may have
the opportunity to dine someplace special that may require something more than
casual clothes.

Some people well may use these articles of clothing. I won't be one of
them however, and my argument simply relates to choice and
discrimination. Rationalising the benefits which may come to those who
conform does not justify the process of conforming.

Bob T.

On 05 Aug 2004 20:20:12 GMT, ando (RTCReferee)
wrote:

Bob Thomas wrote:

In other words, in order for you to feel comfortable you want to exile
those who don't dress up to a lesser part of the ship?

In your case, the short answer might just be: YES.

Odd. I just read one of your message in which you alluded to the
"manners and courtesy" which goes with those who dress up. Apparently
you didn't read your last message.

You will have opportunities off the ship to use these articles of clothing,
especially if you are in Europe for an extended time, trust me. I lived there,
not just visited, and you will have more options on land, too. You may have
the opportunity to dine someplace special that may require something more than
casual clothes.

Some people well may use these articles of clothing. I won't be one of
them however, and my argument simply relates to choice and
discrimination. Rationalising the benefits which may come to those who
conform does not justify the process of conforming.

Bob T.

On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 21:51:10 GMT, "Tom & Linda"
wrote:


I'm thinking of buying a navy jacket for the occasion .... my
concession to the formal set. 8*)


Can I offer an alternative.

Black.

Then add one of the tux type shirts that don't require a tie. Like with the
button in the front. Or one of the nice knit semi-turtleneck shirts.

--Tom

That may well be one of the options ... I'll check them out as well,
and see if there's something inexpensive to satisfy the formalwear
set. 8*)

Bob T.

On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 21:51:10 GMT, "Tom & Linda"
wrote:


I'm thinking of buying a navy jacket for the occasion .... my
concession to the formal set. 8*)


Can I offer an alternative.

Black.

Then add one of the tux type shirts that don't require a tie. Like with the
button in the front. Or one of the nice knit semi-turtleneck shirts.

--Tom

That may well be one of the options ... I'll check them out as well,
and see if there's something inexpensive to satisfy the formalwear
set. 8*)

Bob T.

On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 17:54:33 GMT, Dillon Pyron
wrote:


Now I have a new problem to deal with ... the cruise company I took
the cruise from has just admitted to me that they do not, after all,
pay for all on-board tipping (despite saying so in their brochure). So
now I'm faced with yet another expense that wasn't budgeted for!


The fine print always gets you. Especially when it's not printed.

Ahhh ... but in this case it *was* printed ! A specific statement that
"all onboard gratuities are included".

As this amounts to around $364 AUD it effectively means I'm being
ripped off for that amount.

I shall be having words to the company, who say that it was an
oversight and shouldn't have been in the brochure.

After all ... think of the jacket I could have bought with that money!
8*)

Bob T.

On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 17:54:33 GMT, Dillon Pyron
wrote:


Now I have a new problem to deal with ... the cruise company I took
the cruise from has just admitted to me that they do not, after all,
pay for all on-board tipping (despite saying so in their brochure). So
now I'm faced with yet another expense that wasn't budgeted for!


The fine print always gets you. Especially when it's not printed.

Ahhh ... but in this case it *was* printed ! A specific statement that
"all onboard gratuities are included".

As this amounts to around $364 AUD it effectively means I'm being
ripped off for that amount.

I shall be having words to the company, who say that it was an
oversight and shouldn't have been in the brochure.

After all ... think of the jacket I could have bought with that money!
8*)

Bob T.

On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 21:46:08 GMT, Peri
wrote:


Just for the record ... one more time .... I was never on about shorts
(that was another poster). I don't even carry shorts with me on this
cruise!

Ahem, Bob, please let me refresh your memory, as * I * was the person you flamed
with your shorts post. Here is the exchange in its entirety:

snip yes, but I didn't actually mention shorts per se, so I'm still
right in not having specifically brought up shorts.

I'm happy to take your current back-pedaling as an apology.

Not backpeddling, just clarification. 8*)

Ok .... I'll drop my shorts ....

Bob T.