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Old September 4th, 2005, 05:26 AM
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The USA has been living a nightmare since Cheney/Bush was installed 5
years ago. The nightmare continues for 3 more years. What will be
left after the carnage of the BuChenFeld administration?

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New Orleans a 'ghost town' for 9 months

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...icle310186.ece

By Geoffrey Lean and Andrew Gumbel
Published: 04 September 2005

New Orleans will have to be abandoned for at least nine months, and
many of its people will remain homeless for up to two years, the US
government believes.

The bleak assessment will deepen the biggest crisis faced by President
George Bush, who last week called the devastation of Hurricane Katrina
a " temporary disruption".

As the relief effort finally got under way yesterday for the tens of
thousands of people left without food, water, medicines or the rule of
law for five days, the federal official in charge of disaster recovery
told foreign diplomats that reconstruction cannot begin until next
summer.

The President is now facing a political hurricane of his own, with
gathering criticism, even from inside his own party, for failing to
heed warnings of the city's vulnerability, cutting spending on its
defences to pay for the wars on terror and in Iraq, and responding
sluggishly to the worst natural catastrophe ever to hit his country.

Ray Nagin, the Mayor of New Orleans, said that every day of delay has
caused hundreds of deaths. Louisiana's junior Senator, Republican
David Vitter, gave the Bush administration "an F grade" for its
handling of the crisis. Senator Chuck Hagel, a leading contender for
his party's nomination to succeed Mr Bush, said, "There must be some
accountability."

The criticism is all the sharper because the President did nothing to
alter his holiday schedule for 48 hours. Vice-President Dick Cheney
remains on holiday in Wyoming. Condoleezza Rice, the Secretary of
State, returned to Washington after being seen shopping for $7,000
shoes in Manhattan as New Orleans went under.

Dan Craig, the director of recovery at the Federal Emergency
Management Agency, told the diplomats that it could take up to six
months to drain the flood waters out of New Orleans, and another three
to allow the city to dry out. Even then, he added, debris and other
hazardous material would need to be cleared away before rebuilding
could begin. Evacuees could have to be housed by the government for
two years.

Officials said that the job of recovering, let alone counting, the
dead may not start for weeks. The death toll is likely to far exceed
the numbers killed in the 11 September attacks almost exactly four
years ago. Sergeant Nicholas Stahl of the Louisiana Office of Homeland
Security and Emergency Preparedness said that rescuers are focusing on
finding an estimated 50,000 people still stranded by the flood waters
and admitted "there is no system to collect and store bodies".

Even when the bodies are recovered, experts say it will be far harder
to identify them than at the World Trade Center, because they are
decomposing rapidly in the heat.

Although a government exercise last year predicted the course of the
disaster, Mr Bush drastically cut back spending on city defences. Work
on strengthening vital levees needed to keep out flood water stopped
for the first time in 37 years.

New Orleans will have to be abandoned for at least nine months, and
many of its people will remain homeless for up to two years, the US
government believes.

The bleak assessment will deepen the biggest crisis faced by President
George Bush, who last week called the devastation of Hurricane Katrina
a " temporary disruption".

As the relief effort finally got under way yesterday for the tens of
thousands of people left without food, water, medicines or the rule of
law for five days, the federal official in charge of disaster recovery
told foreign diplomats that reconstruction cannot begin until next
summer.

The President is now facing a political hurricane of his own, with
gathering criticism, even from inside his own party, for failing to
heed warnings of the city's vulnerability, cutting spending on its
defences to pay for the wars on terror and in Iraq, and responding
sluggishly to the worst natural catastrophe ever to hit his country.

Ray Nagin, the Mayor of New Orleans, said that every day of delay has
caused hundreds of deaths. Louisiana's junior Senator, Republican
David Vitter, gave the Bush administration "an F grade" for its
handling of the crisis. Senator Chuck Hagel, a leading contender for
his party's nomination to succeed Mr Bush, said, "There must be some
accountability."

The criticism is all the sharper because the President did nothing to
alter his holiday schedule for 48 hours. Vice-President Dick Cheney
remains on holiday in Wyoming. Condoleezza Rice, the Secretary of
State, returned to Washington after being seen shopping for $7,000
shoes in Manhattan as New Orleans went under.

Dan Craig, the director of recovery at the Federal Emergency
Management Agency, told the diplomats that it could take up to six
months to drain the flood waters out of New Orleans, and another three
to allow the city to dry out. Even then, he added, debris and other
hazardous material would need to be cleared away before rebuilding
could begin. Evacuees could have to be housed by the government for
two years.

Officials said that the job of recovering, let alone counting, the
dead may not start for weeks. The death toll is likely to far exceed
the numbers killed in the 11 September attacks almost exactly four
years ago. Sergeant Nicholas Stahl of the Louisiana Office of Homeland
Security and Emergency Preparedness said that rescuers are focusing on
finding an estimated 50,000 people still stranded by the flood waters
and admitted "there is no system to collect and store bodies".

Even when the bodies are recovered, experts say it will be far harder
to identify them than at the World Trade Center, because they are
decomposing rapidly in the heat.

Although a government exercise last year predicted the course of the
disaster, Mr Bush drastically cut back spending on city defences. Work
on strengthening vital levees needed to keep out flood water stopped
for the first time in 37 years.
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Old September 4th, 2005, 06:01 AM
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The only reason Clinton ignored repeated warnings that he needed to do
something about New Orleans was because he was under the control of a
vast right wing conspiracy.
"He's are hard dog to keep on the porch" -Hillary

-Robert

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Old September 4th, 2005, 06:46 AM
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Hussein / Castro better than Bush / Cheney wrote:
New Orleans will have to be abandoned for at least nine months, and
many of its people will remain homeless for up to two years, the US
government believes.


That is an utter exageration. While there is a severe situation right
now, it won't take 9 months before people start to move back in.

There are large areas of the metro area which are not flooded and do not
have damage.

The city will need to isolate water mains, after whcih they can start
pumping water to the unbroken sections. Same for electrity. Then, the
start working on residential blocks, one by one to restore power and
isolate homes whose plumbing leaks wsater.

It may take a long time to get ALL of NO back up. But it won't take time
to get a lot of parts of the city back up. Remember that the metro area
extends beyond the flooded square between canals.


City cleanup of streets doesn't take that long. And with enough
resources, stringing new electrical infrstrature also doesn't take that
long. In Québec, the managed to restring whole municipalities from
scratch in a matter of weeks, not months. And not all the electrical
poles are down in NO.

Right now, obviously they aren't doing restoration work in the flooded
areas monitored by the networks. But that doesn't mean that other areas
not being covered by the media aren't getting cleanup work done.

Now that they are getting their act together, I suspect that you will
start to see big imprvements happen within one week. As soon as they fix
the levees and start pumping water out, those areas with only a few cm
of water flooding will get dry first, enabling city cleanup crews to
move into those areas and start restoring services.
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Old September 4th, 2005, 06:54 AM
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Hussein / Castro better than Bush / Cheney wrote:
The USA has been living a nightmare since Cheney/Bush was installed 5
years ago. The nightmare continues for 3 more years. What will be
left after the carnage of the BuChenFeld administration?


Should we blame Bush for the tornadoes last spring too? I guess we
should also blame the President in advance for the blizarrds and ice
storms which will occur this coming winter. Everything is George W.
Bush's fault!
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Old September 4th, 2005, 10:15 AM
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IF!!! Someone can plan such a complicated sequence of events!!!

I watched newsshots of an old black man berating the incoming 'National
Guard'!!


'Why you got guns?' he asked!! 'We need stretchers - not guns!!!'

Said it all really!!!




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Hussein / Castro better than Bush / Cheney wrote:
New Orleans will have to be abandoned for at least nine months, and
many of its people will remain homeless for up to two years, the US
government believes.


That is an utter exageration. While there is a severe situation right
now, it won't take 9 months before people start to move back in.

There are large areas of the metro area which are not flooded and do not
have damage.

The city will need to isolate water mains, after whcih they can start
pumping water to the unbroken sections. Same for electrity. Then, the
start working on residential blocks, one by one to restore power and
isolate homes whose plumbing leaks wsater.

It may take a long time to get ALL of NO back up. But it won't take time
to get a lot of parts of the city back up. Remember that the metro area
extends beyond the flooded square between canals.


City cleanup of streets doesn't take that long. And with enough
resources, stringing new electrical infrstrature also doesn't take that
long. In Québec, the managed to restring whole municipalities from
scratch in a matter of weeks, not months. And not all the electrical
poles are down in NO.

Right now, obviously they aren't doing restoration work in the flooded
areas monitored by the networks. But that doesn't mean that other areas
not being covered by the media aren't getting cleanup work done.

Now that they are getting their act together, I suspect that you will
start to see big imprvements happen within one week. As soon as they fix
the levees and start pumping water out, those areas with only a few cm
of water flooding will get dry first, enabling city cleanup crews to
move into those areas and start restoring services.



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Old September 4th, 2005, 02:19 PM
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JayCee wrote:

Should we blame Bush for the tornadoes last spring too?


No. Not that.

Just the lack of spending on the levee system when the Army Corps of
Engineers were begging for money. Money that he diverted to the
illegal and immoral invasion and occupation of Iraq.

That's what he can be blamed for you stupid ass. Why can't you get
that fact though your thick skulls you Bush ass-kissers?

And because so much of your military infrastructure was in Iraq, they
could only muster a half-assed response with what was left (and a late
one at that). Where was Runsfeld during this? And Cheney? Where
were their sorry asses? Why couldn't we have seen their leadership in
action?

At least we saw an example of Bush's descision-nmaking. The single
most important descision he appears to have made was to cut short his
vacation in Crawford.

You didn't want your taxes raised America. You got it. You wanted to
continue the occupation of Iraq because you re-elected Bush. You got
it.

Now you've got $3 gasoline (and it will head higher) because you
destroyed Iraq and it's because of you that they are not pumping oil
onto world markets now.

Now you've got hundreds of thousands of people without homes and jobs
to take care of until their city is drained. Still don't want your
taxes raised? Then what else will you sacrifice?
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Old September 4th, 2005, 07:38 PM
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Katrina Storm wrote:
JayCee wrote:


Should we blame Bush for the tornadoes last spring too?



No. Not that.

Just the lack of spending on the levee system when the Army Corps of
Engineers were begging for money. Money that he diverted to the
illegal and immoral invasion and occupation of Iraq.

That's what he can be blamed for you stupid ass. Why can't you get
that fact though your thick skulls you Bush ass-kissers?

And because so much of your military infrastructure was in Iraq, they
could only muster a half-assed response with what was left (and a late
one at that).


The purpose of the military is to fight and win wars. Not to provide
hurricane relief. According to you guys, we should never send our troops
overseas but should instead have them on standby 24/7 to respond to
natural disasters.
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Old September 4th, 2005, 08:05 PM
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JayCee wrote:

The purpose of the military is to fight and win wars.


What is going on in Iraq is not a war. It never was.

Get that though your thick republican bush-licking skull.

Iraq did not declare war on the USA.

The USA did not declare war on Iraq.

Iraq did not attack the USA in any way, shape or form.

The US beligerantly invaded Iraq. There is no war to win. There was
never a war. Bush lied to you and keeps lieing to you because his
administration is backed into a corner over Iraq and they simply and
stubbornly can't back track now. Just like in Vietnam.

30 days after you invaded Iraq, what the US military has been and is
doing in Iraq is the same as they are being asked to do in New Orleans
right now.

According to you guys, we should never send our troops
overseas but should instead have them on standby 24/7
to respond to natural disasters.


You send your troops overseas when you are fighting a real war. And
when you're not, you be god damn glad that they are standing around at
their bases back home ready to respond to domestic situations or
natural disasters. But that's not what's happening now is it?
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Old September 4th, 2005, 09:52 PM
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as all the bigots say over there...god bless america
well, god can go on blessing america and please god , do forget the other
parts of the world !

"Hussein / Castro better than Bush / Cheney"
a écrit dans le message de news: ...
The USA has been living a nightmare since Cheney/Bush was installed 5
years ago. The nightmare continues for 3 more years. What will be
left after the carnage of the BuChenFeld administration?

---------------

New Orleans a 'ghost town' for 9 months

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...icle310186.ece

By Geoffrey Lean and Andrew Gumbel
Published: 04 September 2005

New Orleans will have to be abandoned for at least nine months, and
many of its people will remain homeless for up to two years, the US
government believes.

The bleak assessment will deepen the biggest crisis faced by President
George Bush, who last week called the devastation of Hurricane Katrina
a " temporary disruption".

As the relief effort finally got under way yesterday for the tens of
thousands of people left without food, water, medicines or the rule of
law for five days, the federal official in charge of disaster recovery
told foreign diplomats that reconstruction cannot begin until next
summer.

The President is now facing a political hurricane of his own, with
gathering criticism, even from inside his own party, for failing to
heed warnings of the city's vulnerability, cutting spending on its
defences to pay for the wars on terror and in Iraq, and responding
sluggishly to the worst natural catastrophe ever to hit his country.

Ray Nagin, the Mayor of New Orleans, said that every day of delay has
caused hundreds of deaths. Louisiana's junior Senator, Republican
David Vitter, gave the Bush administration "an F grade" for its
handling of the crisis. Senator Chuck Hagel, a leading contender for
his party's nomination to succeed Mr Bush, said, "There must be some
accountability."

The criticism is all the sharper because the President did nothing to
alter his holiday schedule for 48 hours. Vice-President Dick Cheney
remains on holiday in Wyoming. Condoleezza Rice, the Secretary of
State, returned to Washington after being seen shopping for $7,000
shoes in Manhattan as New Orleans went under.

Dan Craig, the director of recovery at the Federal Emergency
Management Agency, told the diplomats that it could take up to six
months to drain the flood waters out of New Orleans, and another three
to allow the city to dry out. Even then, he added, debris and other
hazardous material would need to be cleared away before rebuilding
could begin. Evacuees could have to be housed by the government for
two years.

Officials said that the job of recovering, let alone counting, the
dead may not start for weeks. The death toll is likely to far exceed
the numbers killed in the 11 September attacks almost exactly four
years ago. Sergeant Nicholas Stahl of the Louisiana Office of Homeland
Security and Emergency Preparedness said that rescuers are focusing on
finding an estimated 50,000 people still stranded by the flood waters
and admitted "there is no system to collect and store bodies".

Even when the bodies are recovered, experts say it will be far harder
to identify them than at the World Trade Center, because they are
decomposing rapidly in the heat.

Although a government exercise last year predicted the course of the
disaster, Mr Bush drastically cut back spending on city defences. Work
on strengthening vital levees needed to keep out flood water stopped
for the first time in 37 years.

New Orleans will have to be abandoned for at least nine months, and
many of its people will remain homeless for up to two years, the US
government believes.

The bleak assessment will deepen the biggest crisis faced by President
George Bush, who last week called the devastation of Hurricane Katrina
a " temporary disruption".

As the relief effort finally got under way yesterday for the tens of
thousands of people left without food, water, medicines or the rule of
law for five days, the federal official in charge of disaster recovery
told foreign diplomats that reconstruction cannot begin until next
summer.

The President is now facing a political hurricane of his own, with
gathering criticism, even from inside his own party, for failing to
heed warnings of the city's vulnerability, cutting spending on its
defences to pay for the wars on terror and in Iraq, and responding
sluggishly to the worst natural catastrophe ever to hit his country.

Ray Nagin, the Mayor of New Orleans, said that every day of delay has
caused hundreds of deaths. Louisiana's junior Senator, Republican
David Vitter, gave the Bush administration "an F grade" for its
handling of the crisis. Senator Chuck Hagel, a leading contender for
his party's nomination to succeed Mr Bush, said, "There must be some
accountability."

The criticism is all the sharper because the President did nothing to
alter his holiday schedule for 48 hours. Vice-President Dick Cheney
remains on holiday in Wyoming. Condoleezza Rice, the Secretary of
State, returned to Washington after being seen shopping for $7,000
shoes in Manhattan as New Orleans went under.

Dan Craig, the director of recovery at the Federal Emergency
Management Agency, told the diplomats that it could take up to six
months to drain the flood waters out of New Orleans, and another three
to allow the city to dry out. Even then, he added, debris and other
hazardous material would need to be cleared away before rebuilding
could begin. Evacuees could have to be housed by the government for
two years.

Officials said that the job of recovering, let alone counting, the
dead may not start for weeks. The death toll is likely to far exceed
the numbers killed in the 11 September attacks almost exactly four
years ago. Sergeant Nicholas Stahl of the Louisiana Office of Homeland
Security and Emergency Preparedness said that rescuers are focusing on
finding an estimated 50,000 people still stranded by the flood waters
and admitted "there is no system to collect and store bodies".

Even when the bodies are recovered, experts say it will be far harder
to identify them than at the World Trade Center, because they are
decomposing rapidly in the heat.

Although a government exercise last year predicted the course of the
disaster, Mr Bush drastically cut back spending on city defences. Work
on strengthening vital levees needed to keep out flood water stopped
for the first time in 37 years.



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Old September 4th, 2005, 09:53 PM
Runge
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Exactly.
In the first place, blame him for existing.

"JayCee" a écrit dans le message de news:
t...
Hussein / Castro better than Bush / Cheney wrote:
The USA has been living a nightmare since Cheney/Bush was installed 5
years ago. The nightmare continues for 3 more years. What will be
left after the carnage of the BuChenFeld administration?


Should we blame Bush for the tornadoes last spring too? I guess we should
also blame the President in advance for the blizarrds and ice storms which
will occur this coming winter. Everything is George W. Bush's fault!



 




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