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Carry-ons (Opinions?)
"PTRAVEL" wrote in message ...
"Jonathan Smith" wrote in message m... "PTRAVEL" wrote in message ... "Banty" wrote in message ... In article , Evelyn C. Leeper says... Mark Hewitt wrote: "Icono Clast" wrote in message om... "Jim Davis Sr." wrote: I don't understand why people burden themselves on the long walks to and from the gangways and then trouble their fellow passengers by blocking an aisle. I just don't get it. When they're a bit early have have to go to the toilet, they ask strangers to "watch my bag" not knowing whether that stranger is going to disappear with it. I just don't get it. Because quite often I've had to wait in excess of 40 minutes after the plane has landed, before my bag actually shows up. If I could get away with just hang baggage when I go on a flight. I would do that! If you're on a business trip and the time is critical - then pack lighter. Wear clothing passable for your business in case there is a problem. If you're moving or have acquired some largish items, ship stuff. If you're travelling on pleasure, the first step to pleasure would be to learn how to relax and stop counting minutes at the baggage carousel. Or because twice the airlines have failed to send my luggage on the same flight as me. Twice out of how many flights? And did they or did they not get the bags to you within a day? I mean, good grief. These complaints are just control-phreaky "I demand a glitch-free life and I wanna be first" stuff. The large number of self-appointed carry-on exceptions (and the resultant scrable for overhead, underfoot, and garment bag space) *is* impacting other pax. PDA's, music players, and cameras fit in largish purses and soft briefcases (for the latter, with laptop). Medicine and magazines too. One more of carry-on size handles a weekend's worth of stuff (say - how 'bout packing one of those such that you're covered for a baggage-loading disaster and checking the rest!). Spoken like a true non-business traveler. Why in the world should anyone risk their enterprise and forgo their _legal_ carryon because you don't approve? I have to wear suits for my business and, no, I won't spend hours in plane wearing one because you don't like carryons. I, personally, have had my bags delayed -- 4+ days in each case -- twice out of the four times I checked bags on a business trip. I also carry a laptop (with associated electronics), PDA, cellphone and charger, plus critical documents that I need when I get there. It absolutely amazes me that you would be criticize someone who falls within the _airline_determined_ requirement for carryon, which inconveniences no one except, perhaps, your personal sense of aesthetics. It is not the person within the guidelines of a 21 inch rollaboard (51 inch total dimension) On some airlines -- different airlines have different restrictions. Continental. On BA, for example, it is a lot less in economy. AA has a 41 inch limit. ALL US airlines have the one plus personal limit - and blame the FAA/TSA. and a SINGLE personal item (briefcase, purse, OR - not and - SMALL backpack). The 24 inch rollaboard plus the computer case, plus the small duffle plus the purse is NOT within the guidelines. I have a 24" Tumi suitcase. There is no way that this could remotely be considered a carry-on. Standard rollaboards are 21" or 22". Well duh. My point exactly. A rollaboard plus a computer plus a purse is not. A rollaboard plus a garment bag plus a briefcase is NOT. A rollaboard plus a purse plus a Macy's shopping bag plus a computer bag is NOT. Obviously. When did I imply otherwise? Did I say you did? I was pointing out what I observed of business travelers in first class on a flight on Friday brough aboard as carryon. These observations were made last Friday on a Continental flight in first class. I rarely, if ever, see business people abuse the carryone restrictions. I see it ALL the time. It is most apparent with women business travelers but men are not immune from carryonitis. It is almost always the casual flyer who either doesn't know, or doesn't care about, the restrictions on carryon. Your observational abilities in the past have been challenged.\ Added to that - there was little evidence of the one above, one below etiquette. Not quite sure what you're saying here, "If you have two carryons, please place the larger one above and the smaller one under the seat in front of you.?" Do you do this, Paul? but since you're respond to my post, I _never_ violate carryon rules. As I've indicated, in my experience, casual flyers and, notably, families with young children, are the most egregious violators. Families with young children are allowed an extra piece of carryon PLUS a car seat. For example - American says: "Additional items that will be allowed above and beyond the restrictions listed above include: Outer garments such as coats/wraps/hats Approved safety seat for lap or ticketed child Umbrella stroller for lap or ticketed child Diaper bag for lap or ticketed child Book or newspaper Bistro sized or smaller bag of food that is consumable Devices such as wheelchairs, walkers, etc. Therapeutic oxygen provided by the airline"one infant article such as a . Continental allows one ADDITIONAL item for an infant/toddler - "...collapsible stroller, a diaper bag or a government approved child seat." And now it gets personal - you want to blame everything on the families with children yet you tell us how you always travel in first class. How does this happen? I haven't seen a family in first class in quite some time and when I do it is hardly a gaggle of them . How can families with children be taking your first class bin space? You board first, you sit in first, and you get off first. I fly again tomorrow - want pictures of carryon toting business flyers? js |
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"Jonathan Smith" wrote in message m... "PTRAVEL" wrote in message ... "Banty" wrote in message ... In article , Evelyn C. Leeper says... Mark Hewitt wrote: "Icono Clast" wrote in message ogle.com... "Jim Davis Sr." wrote: I don't understand why people burden themselves on the long walks to and from the gangways and then trouble their fellow passengers by blocking an aisle. I just don't get it. When they're a bit early have have to go to the toilet, they ask strangers to "watch my bag" not knowing whether that stranger is going to disappear with it. I just don't get it. Because quite often I've had to wait in excess of 40 minutes after the plane has landed, before my bag actually shows up. If I could get away with just hang baggage when I go on a flight. I would do that! If you're on a business trip and the time is critical - then pack lighter. Wear clothing passable for your business in case there is a problem. If you're moving or have acquired some largish items, ship stuff. If you're travelling on pleasure, the first step to pleasure would be to learn how to relax and stop counting minutes at the baggage carousel. Or because twice the airlines have failed to send my luggage on the same flight as me. Twice out of how many flights? And did they or did they not get the bags to you within a day? I mean, good grief. These complaints are just control-phreaky "I demand a glitch-free life and I wanna be first" stuff. The large number of self-appointed carry-on exceptions (and the resultant scrable for overhead, underfoot, and garment bag space) *is* impacting other pax. PDA's, music players, and cameras fit in largish purses and soft briefcases (for the latter, with laptop). Medicine and magazines too. One more of carry-on size handles a weekend's worth of stuff (say - how 'bout packing one of those such that you're covered for a baggage-loading disaster and checking the rest!). Spoken like a true non-business traveler. Why in the world should anyone risk their enterprise and forgo their _legal_ carryon because you don't approve? I have to wear suits for my business and, no, I won't spend hours in plane wearing one because you don't like carryons. I, personally, have had my bags delayed -- 4+ days in each case -- twice out of the four times I checked bags on a business trip. I also carry a laptop (with associated electronics), PDA, cellphone and charger, plus critical documents that I need when I get there. It absolutely amazes me that you would be criticize someone who falls within the _airline_determined_ requirement for carryon, which inconveniences no one except, perhaps, your personal sense of aesthetics. It is not the person within the guidelines of a 21 inch rollaboard (51 inch total dimension) On some airlines -- different airlines have different restrictions. and a SINGLE personal item (briefcase, purse, OR - not and - SMALL backpack). The 24 inch rollaboard plus the computer case, plus the small duffle plus the purse is NOT within the guidelines. I have a 24" Tumi suitcase. There is no way that this could remotely be considered a carry-on. Standard rollaboards are 21" or 22". A rollaboard plus a computer plus a purse is not. A rollaboard plus a garment bag plus a briefcase is NOT. A rollaboard plus a purse plus a Macy's shopping bag plus a computer bag is NOT. Obviously. When did I imply otherwise? These observations were made last Friday on a Continental flight in first class. I rarely, if ever, see business people abuse the carryone restrictions. It is almost always the casual flyer who either doesn't know, or doesn't care about, the restrictions on carryon. Added to that - there was little evidence of the one above, one below etiquette. Not quite sure what you're saying here, but since you're respond to my post, I _never_ violate carryon rules. As I've indicated, in my experience, casual flyers and, notably, families with young children, are the most egregious violators. js I've rarely seen families with young children with more than the allowable amount of carry-ons. They usually only have one item per child and only rarely two. FFM |
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In article , PTRAVEL says...
I rarely, if ever, see business people abuse the carryone restrictions. It is almost always the casual flyer who either doesn't know, or doesn't care about, the restrictions on carryon. Added to that - there was little evidence of the one above, one below etiquette. Not quite sure what you're saying here, but since you're respond to my post, I _never_ violate carryon rules. As I've indicated, in my experience, casual flyers and, notably, families with young children, are the most egregious violators. How do you know a business traveller from a "casual flyer"? Dress doesn't necessarily do it - you yourself just said that you travel in casual clothes. And in the past you've said IIRC that you often also travel with your wife. Wouldn't you look a lot like a casual traveller? (Also - consider that a business traveller who is obvious by dress may be following my advice to dress in passable dress for business as a contingency against lost baggage, so those would tend to be just the ones who don't try to carry everything on.) Laptop possession, lordy knows, doesn't make the distinction anymore either. I've brought my son on conference trips - can't even tell from that. So how would you know, to know which group is violating carryons? Banty |
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me wrote: I'm not sure what they were editing out of the others. Anyone know? Visuals. Sex mostly. You don't have to let your 5 year old wear the headphones, but it's pretty hard to tell them not to open their eyes for 2 hours. So the airlines try to edit out visual stuff. Not sure how they ever show a Bond flick. I saw _The World Is Not Enough_ on Continental once. |
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"Frank F. Matthews" wrote in message ...
"PTRAVEL" wrote in message Not quite sure what you're saying here, but since you're respond to my post, I _never_ violate carryon rules. As I've indicated, in my experience, casual flyers and, notably, families with young children, are the most egregious violators. Frank wrote: I've rarely seen families with young children with more than the allowable amount of carry-ons. They usually only have one item per child and only rarely two. FFM Maybe Paul thinks that the child himself is the carryon. |
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In article , Jonathan Smith
says... "Frank F. Matthews" wrote in message ... "PTRAVEL" wrote in message Not quite sure what you're saying here, but since you're respond to my post, I _never_ violate carryon rules. As I've indicated, in my experience, casual flyers and, notably, families with young children, are the most egregious violators. Frank wrote: I've rarely seen families with young children with more than the allowable amount of carry-ons. They usually only have one item per child and only rarely two. FFM Maybe Paul thinks that the child himself is the carryon. It occurs to me that he might be seeing the parent(s) carrying stuff and forgetting the kids' seats also have a carryon allowance. Banty |
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"Jonathan Smith" wrote in message m... "PTRAVEL" wrote in message ... "Jonathan Smith" wrote in message m... "PTRAVEL" wrote in message ... "Banty" wrote in message ... In article , Evelyn C. Leeper says... Mark Hewitt wrote: "Icono Clast" wrote in message om... "Jim Davis Sr." wrote: I don't understand why people burden themselves on the long walks to and from the gangways and then trouble their fellow passengers by blocking an aisle. I just don't get it. When they're a bit early have have to go to the toilet, they ask strangers to "watch my bag" not knowing whether that stranger is going to disappear with it. I just don't get it. Because quite often I've had to wait in excess of 40 minutes after the plane has landed, before my bag actually shows up. If I could get away with just hang baggage when I go on a flight. I would do that! If you're on a business trip and the time is critical - then pack lighter. Wear clothing passable for your business in case there is a problem. If you're moving or have acquired some largish items, ship stuff. If you're travelling on pleasure, the first step to pleasure would be to learn how to relax and stop counting minutes at the baggage carousel. Or because twice the airlines have failed to send my luggage on the same flight as me. Twice out of how many flights? And did they or did they not get the bags to you within a day? I mean, good grief. These complaints are just control-phreaky "I demand a glitch-free life and I wanna be first" stuff. The large number of self-appointed carry-on exceptions (and the resultant scrable for overhead, underfoot, and garment bag space) *is* impacting other pax. PDA's, music players, and cameras fit in largish purses and soft briefcases (for the latter, with laptop). Medicine and magazines too. One more of carry-on size handles a weekend's worth of stuff (say - how 'bout packing one of those such that you're covered for a baggage-loading disaster and checking the rest!). Spoken like a true non-business traveler. Why in the world should anyone risk their enterprise and forgo their _legal_ carryon because you don't approve? I have to wear suits for my business and, no, I won't spend hours in plane wearing one because you don't like carryons. I, personally, have had my bags delayed -- 4+ days in each case -- twice out of the four times I checked bags on a business trip. I also carry a laptop (with associated electronics), PDA, cellphone and charger, plus critical documents that I need when I get there. It absolutely amazes me that you would be criticize someone who falls within the _airline_determined_ requirement for carryon, which inconveniences no one except, perhaps, your personal sense of aesthetics. It is not the person within the guidelines of a 21 inch rollaboard (51 inch total dimension) On some airlines -- different airlines have different restrictions. Continental. On BA, for example, it is a lot less in economy. AA has a 41 inch limit. ALL US airlines have the one plus personal limit - and blame the FAA/TSA. Also, some airlines specify three linear dimensions for max carryon size, some only length + width + height, whereas others use both limitations. and a SINGLE personal item (briefcase, purse, OR - not and - SMALL backpack). The 24 inch rollaboard plus the computer case, plus the small duffle plus the purse is NOT within the guidelines. I have a 24" Tumi suitcase. There is no way that this could remotely be considered a carry-on. Standard rollaboards are 21" or 22". Well duh. My point exactly. Well, yes, but in your example the 24" bag, alone, would have precluded carryon -- the other stuff wouldn't have mattered one way or another. A rollaboard plus a computer plus a purse is not. A rollaboard plus a garment bag plus a briefcase is NOT. A rollaboard plus a purse plus a Macy's shopping bag plus a computer bag is NOT. Obviously. When did I imply otherwise? Did I say you did? I was pointing out what I observed of business travelers in first class on a flight on Friday brough aboard as carryon. These observations were made last Friday on a Continental flight in first class. I rarely, if ever, see business people abuse the carryone restrictions. I see it ALL the time. It is most apparent with women business travelers but men are not immune from carryonitis. That's odd, because most of my travel is on Continental and most of that is in F. It is almost always the casual flyer who either doesn't know, or doesn't care about, the restrictions on carryon. Your observational abilities in the past have been challenged. By you, yes. However, I observe what I observe, which doesn't coincide with what you observe. Added to that - there was little evidence of the one above, one below etiquette. Not quite sure what you're saying here, "If you have two carryons, please place the larger one above and the smaller one under the seat in front of you.?" Do you do this, Paul? Of course, unless (1) I'm sitting in a bulkhead seat, and there is no seat in front of me, (2) the flight is not full, I'm in my usual window seat and the aisle (if 2 across) or aisle and window (if 3 across) seats are not occupied, in which case I might put my carryon under the seat in front of them, or (3) the plane is wide open and there is more than enough room for everyone to stow their carryons overhead, in which case I do, too. (2) and (3) are pretty rare but, coincidently, happened to me on two legs yesterday. but since you're respond to my post, I _never_ violate carryon rules. As I've indicated, in my experience, casual flyers and, notably, families with young children, are the most egregious violators. Families with young children are allowed an extra piece of carryon PLUS a car seat. Yes, so? What has that to do with what I wrote? For example - American says: "Additional items that will be allowed above and beyond the restrictions listed above include: Outer garments such as coats/wraps/hats Approved safety seat for lap or ticketed child Umbrella stroller for lap or ticketed child Diaper bag for lap or ticketed child Book or newspaper Bistro sized or smaller bag of food that is consumable Devices such as wheelchairs, walkers, etc. Therapeutic oxygen provided by the airline"one infant article such as a . Continental allows one ADDITIONAL item for an infant/toddler - "...collapsible stroller, a diaper bag or a government approved child seat." You didn't read what I wrote carefully. Here it is again: I _never_ violate carryon rules. As I've indicated, in my experience, casual flyers and, notably, families with young children, are the most egregious violators. This sentence talks about egregious violators of the rules, not families for whom there are special rules. And now it gets personal - you want to blame everything on the families with children yet you tell us how you always travel in first class. How does this happen? I haven't seen a family in first class in quite some time and when I do it is hardly a gaggle of them . I don't always travel first class. Most of my travel is first class. My leisure travel is often in coach, as is my business travel on airlines that don't offer YUP fares. As an example, yesterday I flew to Edmonton on Air Canada (Zip). Both legs were coach. Tomorrow I return. Both legs will be coach. However, that begs the question. Your question assumes families don't fly in F. That's an incorrect assumption. And, particularly with respect to Business/First and international Business class, your assumption is way off the mark. How can families with children be taking your first class bin space? You board first, you sit in first, and you get off first. 1. I don't always fly in F. 2. Families with young children fly in F. 3. Coach flyers sometimes use the first bin they encounter on boarding, i.e F bins. I fly again tomorrow - want pictures of carryon toting business flyers? Not particularly. js |
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"Frank F. Matthews" wrote in message ... snip I've rarely seen families with young children with more than the allowable amount of carry-ons. They usually only have one item per child and only rarely two. FFM Whereas I have seen it. |
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"Banty" wrote in message ... In article , PTRAVEL says... I rarely, if ever, see business people abuse the carryone restrictions. It is almost always the casual flyer who either doesn't know, or doesn't care about, the restrictions on carryon. Added to that - there was little evidence of the one above, one below etiquette. Not quite sure what you're saying here, but since you're respond to my post, I _never_ violate carryon rules. As I've indicated, in my experience, casual flyers and, notably, families with young children, are the most egregious violators. How do you know a business traveller from a "casual flyer"? Actually, that's a good point and is the result of some shorthand. What I should have written is that I rarely see _frequent_ flyers abuse the carryon rules, as opposed to casual flyers. Since most frequent flyers fly frequently because their business requires them to, I assumed "business travellers." However, you have a good point. Dress doesn't necessarily do it - you yourself just said that you travel in casual clothes. I do, but it's not hard to tell me (or any other frequent flyer) from a casual flyer. You can tell by how they board (go directly to seat vs. ask the FA where it is), what they do when they sit down (immediately adjust the air vs. peer at the light and air controls trying to figure out how to work them), what they carry (computer bag/wheeled rollaboard/higher-quality vs. duffel bag,shopping bag,etc.). And in the past you've said IIRC that you often also travel with your wife. Wouldn't you look a lot like a casual traveller? Why? Because I'm with my wife? I'm sure we look like we're travelling for leisure, but that's not the same thing as a casual traveller. See above. (Also - consider that a business traveller who is obvious by dress may be following my advice to dress in passable dress for business as a contingency against lost baggage, so those would tend to be just the ones who don't try to carry everything on.) It didn't occur to me to use dress as an indicator, though I now that I think about it, I suppose I'd assume the tank top, shorts and sandal crowd were casual flyers. Laptop possession, lordy knows, doesn't make the distinction anymore either. Why not? I've brought my son on conference trips - can't even tell from that. So how would you know, to know which group is violating carryons? Oh, that? Because when I hear arguments with FAs, it's most often by families, and most often include phrases like, "I didn't know . . .," "Well what am I supposed to do . . .","What is a gate check?", etc. Banty |
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