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Boeing confirms Dreamliner delays
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Hash: SHA1 In rec.travel.air Martin wrote: On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 22:29:18 +0100, Alfred Molon wrote: In article cab4f2f6-b32e-4e77-ad74- , me says... Well, "A" A380 is flying. Two are flying now (the second has been delivered). Two production are in service. Others are flying too http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre..._a380_sia.html And a third is about to be delivered to Emirates, and the Executive one is going to be delivered later this year, around july according to AirlinerWorld. BL. - -- Brad Littlejohn | Email: Unix Systems Administrator, | Web + NewsMaster, BOFH.. Smeghead! | http://www.wizard.com/~tyketto PGP: 1024D/E319F0BF 6980 AAD6 7329 E9E6 D569 F620 C819 199A E319 F0BF -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHkBVdyBkZmuMZ8L8RAuQnAJ4/7WnAx86f9liMvRu4fr/3sUGUSQCeMbrI DBkpYBgH5clDyX4cRojFAfA= =8GHe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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Boeing confirms Dreamliner delays
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Yeah, I mentioned this in my original response. You have a plane that doesn't exist yet and a plane that isn't finished. It's a race between them to get to the full production versions and demonstrate actual performance in operations. The first one to do so may get a "head start" on future orders. That's a stretch. It's not like they are airlines are going to pick one over the other based on completion time. |
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Boeing confirms Dreamliner delays
"me" wrote in message ... Well, "A" A380 is flying. ------------------ Two now. Singapore Airlines sent me an email yesterday saying their second one has been delivered and will be flying London to Singapore 'real soon now'... God help us all when 600 people try to get through Heathrow security/check-in/a silly little Terminal 3 gate all at once... -- William Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. |
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Boeing confirms Dreamliner delays
On Jan 18, 12:26*am, "Mr. Travel" wrote:
me wrote: * *Yeah, I mentioned this in my original response. *You have a plane that doesn't exist yet and a plane that isn't finished. *It's a race between them to get to the full production versions and demonstrate actual performance in operations. * The first one to do so may get a "head start" on future orders. That's a stretch. It's not like they are airlines are going to pick one over the other based on completion time. No, but customers can't wait forever to make long term buys and the plane that can demonstrate performance the earliest could get more orders. Demonstrated performance is important. |
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Boeing confirms Dreamliner delays
On Jan 18, 2:03*am, "William Black"
wrote: "me" wrote in message ... * Well, "A" A380 is flying. ------------------ Two now. Well, what I meant by that was that there is a version of the A380 flying, but my understanding is that it is not the "full production" version. Of course planes always get "tweaked" but I think the ones flying now qualify more as "pre-production" and the vast majority that will be made will be significantly different. That may be good because it may result in notibily improved performance. |
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Boeing confirms Dreamliner delays
"me" wrote in message ... On Jan 18, 2:03 am, "William Black" wrote: "me" wrote in message ... Well, "A" A380 is flying. ------------------ Two now. Well, what I meant by that was that there is a version of the A380 flying, but my understanding is that it is not the "full production" version. Of course planes always get "tweaked" but I think the ones flying now qualify more as "pre-production" and the vast majority that will be made will be significantly different. You mean less engines or something significant or seat arrangements and control layout, which isn't terribly significant... -- William Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. |
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Boeing confirms Dreamliner delays
"me" wrote in message ... On Jan 18, 12:26 am, "Mr. Travel" wrote: me wrote: Yeah, I mentioned this in my original response. You have a plane that doesn't exist yet and a plane that isn't finished. It's a race between them to get to the full production versions and demonstrate actual performance in operations. The first one to do so may get a "head start" on future orders. That's a stretch. It's not like they are airlines are going to pick one over the other based on completion time. No, but customers can't wait forever to make long term buys and the plane that can demonstrate performance the earliest could get more orders. Demonstrated performance is important. ----------------------- For example Air India looks like beings seriously embarrassed by the Dreamliner delays as their Airbus fleet is approaching the 'clapped out' stage and they need replacing really really quickly... -- William Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. |
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Boeing confirms Dreamliner delays
On Jan 18, 12:31*pm, "William Black"
wrote: "me" wrote in message ... On Jan 18, 2:03 am, "William Black" wrote: "me" wrote in message ... Well, "A" A380 is flying. ------------------ Two now. * *Well, what I meant by that was that there is a version of the A380 flying, but my understanding is that it is not the "full production" version. *Of course planes always get "tweaked" but I think the ones flying now qualify more as "pre-production" and the vast majority that will be made will be significantly different. You mean less engines or something significant or seat arrangements and control layout, *which isn't terribly significant... My understanding is that they still have weight problems amongst other issues. That and the real time between major maintanance cycles will be a function of the final collection of components. Things like CG can have a real impact on cruise performance. CG can be driven by the weight distrubition which is sensitive to components including major cable harnesses (which is one of the things still being worked as I understand it.) Mind you I don't think there is anything that it going to turn the A380 into some sort of "turkey" with respect to performance. But the industry fights over single digit percentage differences. |
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Boeing confirms Dreamliner delays
On Jan 18, 12:32*pm, "William Black"
wrote: "me" wrote in message ... On Jan 18, 12:26 am, "Mr. Travel" wrote: me wrote: Yeah, I mentioned this in my original response. You have a plane that doesn't exist yet and a plane that isn't finished. It's a race between them to get to the full production versions and demonstrate actual performance in operations. The first one to do so may get a "head start" on future orders. That's a stretch. It's not like they are airlines are going to pick one over the other based on completion time. * *No, but customers can't wait forever to make long term buys and the plane that can demonstrate performance the earliest could get more orders. *Demonstrated performance is important. ----------------------- For example Air India looks like beings seriously embarrassed by the Dreamliner delays as their Airbus fleet is approaching the 'clapped out' stage and they need replacing really really quickly... Exactly. And to some extent it is more than just a choice of airframe. Choosing to buy an A380 is committing to a certain kind of route and a certain kind of business model. Buying a 787 is buying into a different, and potentially completely different, model for servicing routes. Companies can't wait forever to make such commitments. |
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Boeing confirms Dreamliner delays
me wrote:
On Jan 18, 12:26 am, "Mr. Travel" wrote: me wrote: Yeah, I mentioned this in my original response. You have a plane that doesn't exist yet and a plane that isn't finished. It's a race between them to get to the full production versions and demonstrate actual performance in operations. The first one to do so may get a "head start" on future orders. That's a stretch. It's not like they are airlines are going to pick one over the other based on completion time. No, but customers can't wait forever to make long term buys and the plane that can demonstrate performance the earliest could get more orders. Demonstrated performance is important. Can you explain why an airline that was planning on buying a 787 would buy a A380, simply because of the delay? They are not really similar. You wouldn't go out and buy the biggest plane you can, simply because the much smaller one is delayed. There are other options. |
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