AA Boeing 777 DC power source under seat

On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 01:37:58 -0700, NotABushSupporter
wrote:

R Brickston wrote:

On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 23:04:50 -0700, NotABushSupporter
wrote:


R Brickston wrote:

The odds of the event you describe being caused by an additional plug
on the system in question, imo, is zero. That said, one can imagine
because this system is aloft it may have a low tolerance for any
additional drain on a single fused, or circuit with fuse, per plug
design.

In any event, back to almost the original argument, plugging in an
aditional device does not halve the volts/amps. And going back *the*
original premise, Mr. notabushsupporter simply made a stupid gaff
remark based on his non-logical thought process, got caught out and
then tried to deny. Case closed, game, set, match.


I didn't say it gave each device half the power. I said you couldn't
power 2 average laptops from one outlet.

In your post, YOU said "Sure, you get half the volts and amps to each
device. LOL! "

I said that the amount wouldn't be enough to power the average laptop.
I didn't say you would get half for each device.


You're still in denial on your original stupid statement. And now you
have the unmitigated gall to misquote a transcript that's openly
available to anyone who cares to google it:

I wrote: "Sure, you get half the volts and amps to each device."

And you replied to that specific quote: "Which would not be enough to
power the aveage laptop. That is the point."

So, Mr. Clinton, the word "which" means in your above usage, "half the
volts."

Yes, I was saying that 1/2 (of the 75) would not be enough to count on
for 2 laptops. I didn't say each would be limited to 1/2. You made that
statement. I wasn't agreeing with your statement.
But... back to the
issue... If you try to use BOTH at the same time, there is a good chance
that neither will work.

If you're planning to be a writer or otherwise take up any endeavor
that requires clear, succinct and well thought out usage of the
English language, don't give up your day job.

NotABushSupporter wrote:
J. Clarke wrote:
NotABushSupporter wrote:

You don't get a an unlimited amount power out of the socket.


A laptop doesn't need "an unlimited amount of power".

No, but the response was relative to the plan using a splitter to
share
the socket.


https://www.aa.com/aa/pubcontent/en_...Technology.jsp
"with a maximum 75-watt capacity". How much power does the average
laptop use?


More than 75 watts, so clearly no laptop can be used with that outlet
according to your theory.


Yeah, right.


1. The ability of the average laptop to use it, doesn't mean "no"
laptop
can use `1it.

2. I think the average would be under 75. By aveage, I mean the
average
maximum required.

I currently have a 65 watt AC adapter connected to it my Dell D610;

I have used my laptop on many flights. I have seen people have trouble
getting enough power from the airline power adapter for other models.

How do you know that they were "having trouble getting enough power"?
What are the symptoms of a laptop "not getting enough power"?

So, I stand by my reasoning that it would be unwise to count on using
2
laptops from a single adapter. Additionally, someone also indicated
something about an adapter in every other row. On an AA 777, in the
back, there not that many.

--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

R Brickston wrote:
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 01:37:58 -0700, NotABushSupporter
wrote:

R Brickston wrote:

On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 23:04:50 -0700, NotABushSupporter
wrote:


R Brickston wrote:

The odds of the event you describe being caused by an additional
plug on the system in question, imo, is zero. That said, one can
imagine because this system is aloft it may have a low tolerance
for any additional drain on a single fused, or circuit with fuse,
per plug design.

In any event, back to almost the original argument, plugging in an
aditional device does not halve the volts/amps. And going back
*the* original premise, Mr. notabushsupporter simply made a
stupid gaff remark based on his non-logical thought process, got
caught out and then tried to deny. Case closed, game, set, match.


I didn't say it gave each device half the power. I said you
couldn't power 2 average laptops from one outlet.

In your post, YOU said "Sure, you get half the volts and amps to
each device. LOL! "

I said that the amount wouldn't be enough to power the average
laptop. I didn't say you would get half for each device.


You're still in denial on your original stupid statement. And now
you have the unmitigated gall to misquote a transcript that's openly
available to anyone who cares to google it:

I wrote: "Sure, you get half the volts and amps to each device."

And you replied to that specific quote: "Which would not be enough
to power the aveage laptop. That is the point."

So, Mr. Clinton, the word "which" means in your above usage, "half
the volts."

Yes, I was saying that 1/2 (of the 75) would not be enough to count
on for 2 laptops. I didn't say each would be limited to 1/2. You
made that statement. I wasn't agreeing with your statement.
But... back to the
issue... If you try to use BOTH at the same time, there is a good
chance that neither will work.

If you're planning to be a writer or otherwise take up any endeavor
that requires clear, succinct and well thought out usage of the
English language, don't give up your day job.

Geez, would you give it a rest?

--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 07:43:32 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

R Brickston wrote:
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 01:37:58 -0700, NotABushSupporter
wrote:

R Brickston wrote:

On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 23:04:50 -0700, NotABushSupporter
wrote:


R Brickston wrote:

The odds of the event you describe being caused by an additional
plug on the system in question, imo, is zero. That said, one can
imagine because this system is aloft it may have a low tolerance
for any additional drain on a single fused, or circuit with fuse,
per plug design.

In any event, back to almost the original argument, plugging in an
aditional device does not halve the volts/amps. And going back
*the* original premise, Mr. notabushsupporter simply made a
stupid gaff remark based on his non-logical thought process, got
caught out and then tried to deny. Case closed, game, set, match.


I didn't say it gave each device half the power. I said you
couldn't power 2 average laptops from one outlet.

In your post, YOU said "Sure, you get half the volts and amps to
each device. LOL! "

I said that the amount wouldn't be enough to power the average
laptop. I didn't say you would get half for each device.


You're still in denial on your original stupid statement. And now
you have the unmitigated gall to misquote a transcript that's openly
available to anyone who cares to google it:

I wrote: "Sure, you get half the volts and amps to each device."

And you replied to that specific quote: "Which would not be enough
to power the aveage laptop. That is the point."

So, Mr. Clinton, the word "which" means in your above usage, "half
the volts."

Yes, I was saying that 1/2 (of the 75) would not be enough to count
on for 2 laptops. I didn't say each would be limited to 1/2. You
made that statement. I wasn't agreeing with your statement.
But... back to the
issue... If you try to use BOTH at the same time, there is a good
chance that neither will work.

If you're planning to be a writer or otherwise take up any endeavor
that requires clear, succinct and well thought out usage of the
English language, don't give up your day job.

Geez, would you give it a rest?

Would you mind your own business?

R Brickston wrote:
On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 07:43:32 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

R Brickston wrote:
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 01:37:58 -0700, NotABushSupporter
wrote:

R Brickston wrote:

On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 23:04:50 -0700, NotABushSupporter
wrote:


R Brickston wrote:

The odds of the event you describe being caused by an additional
plug on the system in question, imo, is zero. That said, one can
imagine because this system is aloft it may have a low tolerance
for any additional drain on a single fused, or circuit with
fuse, per plug design.

In any event, back to almost the original argument, plugging in
an aditional device does not halve the volts/amps. And going
back *the* original premise, Mr. notabushsupporter simply made a
stupid gaff remark based on his non-logical thought process, got
caught out and then tried to deny. Case closed, game, set,
match.


I didn't say it gave each device half the power. I said you
couldn't power 2 average laptops from one outlet.

In your post, YOU said "Sure, you get half the volts and amps to
each device. LOL! "

I said that the amount wouldn't be enough to power the average
laptop. I didn't say you would get half for each device.


You're still in denial on your original stupid statement. And now
you have the unmitigated gall to misquote a transcript that's
openly available to anyone who cares to google it:

I wrote: "Sure, you get half the volts and amps to each device."

And you replied to that specific quote: "Which would not be enough
to power the aveage laptop. That is the point."

So, Mr. Clinton, the word "which" means in your above usage, "half
the volts."

Yes, I was saying that 1/2 (of the 75) would not be enough to count
on for 2 laptops. I didn't say each would be limited to 1/2. You
made that statement. I wasn't agreeing with your statement.
But... back to the
issue... If you try to use BOTH at the same time, there is a good
chance that neither will work.

If you're planning to be a writer or otherwise take up any endeavor
that requires clear, succinct and well thought out usage of the
English language, don't give up your day job.

Geez, would you give it a rest?

Would you mind your own business?

I was hoping you weren't yeat another netloon whose main interest is
arguing. Alas, I was wrong. plonk

--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 23:35:01 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
In any event, back to almost the original argument, plugging in an
aditional device does not halve the volts/amps.

A heavy load can lower the voltage in some cases.

True enough, but if you're dropping anywhere near half the voltage,
something is getting hot enough that I sure don't want it on any airplane
I'm flying in!

While I'm not specifically familiar with this circuit, I *STRONGLY*
suspect an overload will open a circuit breaker long before the voltage
drops noticeably.

On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 11:19:11 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

R Brickston wrote:
On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 07:43:32 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

R Brickston wrote:
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 01:37:58 -0700, NotABushSupporter
wrote:

R Brickston wrote:

On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 23:04:50 -0700, NotABushSupporter
wrote:


R Brickston wrote:

The odds of the event you describe being caused by an additional
plug on the system in question, imo, is zero. That said, one can
imagine because this system is aloft it may have a low tolerance
for any additional drain on a single fused, or circuit with
fuse, per plug design.

In any event, back to almost the original argument, plugging in
an aditional device does not halve the volts/amps. And going
back *the* original premise, Mr. notabushsupporter simply made a
stupid gaff remark based on his non-logical thought process, got
caught out and then tried to deny. Case closed, game, set,
match.


I didn't say it gave each device half the power. I said you
couldn't power 2 average laptops from one outlet.

In your post, YOU said "Sure, you get half the volts and amps to
each device. LOL! "

I said that the amount wouldn't be enough to power the average
laptop. I didn't say you would get half for each device.


You're still in denial on your original stupid statement. And now
you have the unmitigated gall to misquote a transcript that's
openly available to anyone who cares to google it:

I wrote: "Sure, you get half the volts and amps to each device."

And you replied to that specific quote: "Which would not be enough
to power the aveage laptop. That is the point."

So, Mr. Clinton, the word "which" means in your above usage, "half
the volts."

Yes, I was saying that 1/2 (of the 75) would not be enough to count
on for 2 laptops. I didn't say each would be limited to 1/2. You
made that statement. I wasn't agreeing with your statement.
But... back to the
issue... If you try to use BOTH at the same time, there is a good
chance that neither will work.

If you're planning to be a writer or otherwise take up any endeavor
that requires clear, succinct and well thought out usage of the
English language, don't give up your day job.

Geez, would you give it a rest?

Would you mind your own business?

I was hoping you weren't yeat another netloon whose main interest is
arguing. Alas, I was wrong. plonk

And I was hoping that you weren't one of those netmorons that think
they are some kind of "UseNet Police." But I was wrong. Plonk indeed,
Pvt. Clarke, go find your next "perp" and earn that Corporal's stripe.

J. Clarke wrote:
NotABushSupporter wrote:

J. Clarke wrote:

NotABushSupporter wrote:


You don't get a an unlimited amount power out of the socket.


A laptop doesn't need "an unlimited amount of power".

No, but the response was relative to the plan using a splitter to
share
the socket.


https://www.aa.com/aa/pubcontent/en_...Technology.jsp
"with a maximum 75-watt capacity". How much power does the average
laptop use?


More than 75 watts, so clearly no laptop can be used with that outlet
according to your theory.


Yeah, right.


1. The ability of the average laptop to use it, doesn't mean "no"
laptop
can use `1it.

2. I think the average would be under 75. By aveage, I mean the
average
maximum required.

I currently have a 65 watt AC adapter connected to it my Dell D610;

I have used my laptop on many flights. I have seen people have trouble
getting enough power from the airline power adapter for other models.


How do you know that they were "having trouble getting enough power"?
What are the symptoms of a laptop "not getting enough power"?

There are some laptops that use more than the maximum available power of
the outlet. Additionally, it often isn't difficult to determine if the
outlet on the plane is giving you the required power, even if your
laptop doesn't use more than the 75 watts the airline states you should
have. It is common knowledge that in some laptops, removing the
battery will permit use using the Empower outlet, because you don't use
the extra power required to charge the battery. Believe it or not, some
groups of people spend a lot of time on planes, and actually know the
behavior of different systems.

On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 16:20:57 -0700, NotABushSupporter
wrote:

J. Clarke wrote:
NotABushSupporter wrote:

J. Clarke wrote:

NotABushSupporter wrote:


You don't get a an unlimited amount power out of the socket.


A laptop doesn't need "an unlimited amount of power".

No, but the response was relative to the plan using a splitter to
share
the socket.


https://www.aa.com/aa/pubcontent/en_...Technology.jsp
"with a maximum 75-watt capacity". How much power does the average
laptop use?


More than 75 watts, so clearly no laptop can be used with that outlet
according to your theory.


Yeah, right.


1. The ability of the average laptop to use it, doesn't mean "no"
laptop
can use `1it.

2. I think the average would be under 75. By aveage, I mean the
average
maximum required.

I currently have a 65 watt AC adapter connected to it my Dell D610;

I have used my laptop on many flights. I have seen people have trouble
getting enough power from the airline power adapter for other models.


How do you know that they were "having trouble getting enough power"?
What are the symptoms of a laptop "not getting enough power"?

There are some laptops that use more than the maximum available power of
the outlet. Additionally, it often isn't difficult to determine if the
outlet on the plane is giving you the required power, even if your
laptop doesn't use more than the 75 watts the airline states you should
have. It is common knowledge that in some laptops, removing the
battery will permit use using the Empower outlet, because you don't use
the extra power required to charge the battery. Believe it or not, some
groups of people spend a lot of time on planes, and actually know the
behavior of different systems.

Been googling about I see. Good, you learned something this week.

R Brickston wrote:

Been googling about I see. Good, you learned something this week.

Didn't you claim, it wouldn't matter if a splitter was used?