Smoking Policy

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But the way we're going the smokers are going to be put in concentration
camps before to much longer. I wonder if the pendulum will ever swing back
the other way?


--
Donald R. Newcomb
DRNewcomb (at) attglobal (dot) net


Atcually the best chance of that happening is when they finally BAN SMOKING
on the ships. That will effectly BAN SMOKERS from any of the ships and BAN
SMOKERS DOLLARS from any of the ships which will Significantly increase
cruise fares across the board (exponentially) which will reduce some of the
less die hard cruisers which will prevent more dollars being spent which
will require more rate increases ........ well not hard to figure out the
rest of the tale.

On 7/7/2007 5:32 PM Cruises exclaimed:
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But the way we're going the smokers are going to be put in concentration
camps before to much longer. I wonder if the pendulum will ever swing back
the other way?


--
Donald R. Newcomb
DRNewcomb (at) attglobal (dot) net



Atcually the best chance of that happening is when they finally BAN SMOKING
on the ships. That will effectly BAN SMOKERS from any of the ships and BAN
SMOKERS DOLLARS from any of the ships which will Significantly increase
cruise fares across the board (exponentially) which will reduce some of the
less die hard cruisers which will prevent more dollars being spent which
will require more rate increases ........ well not hard to figure out the
rest of the tale.



Not very much likely. Smokers are in the minority. Think of it this
way. It could encourage more smokers to quit or at least wear the
nicotine patch while they cruise. Since smokers are in the minority,
the financial impact of completely banning smoking aboard a cruise ship
will be minimal.

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On 7/7/2007 5:32 PM Cruises exclaimed:
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Not very much likely. Smokers are in the minority. Think of it this way.
It could encourage more smokers to quit or at least wear the nicotine
patch while they cruise. Since smokers are in the minority, the financial
impact of completely banning smoking aboard a cruise ship will be minimal.

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Minority is a word used by those who don't necessarily want to address an
actual number. 49 is a minority out of 100 if you are only talking two
classes or people. Yep minority was a good word for you to use for the
argument. I have always "guessed" smokers at 15% when discussing percentages
of certain populations. I would think that in the cruise industry my number
is kind to say the least. Not sure what business your in, but everyone I
have been associated with would be at wits end over a predictable drop of
15% of revenues. When you think of the poor Casino staff that number has to
be a substantial number of people not gambling and thus not tipping them.
But those breathing the "clean" air will realize this and compensate for it
right?

Cruises wrote:
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On 7/7/2007 5:32 PM Cruises exclaimed:
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Not very much likely. Smokers are in the minority. Think of it this way.
It could encourage more smokers to quit or at least wear the nicotine
patch while they cruise. Since smokers are in the minority, the financial
impact of completely banning smoking aboard a cruise ship will be minimal.

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Minority is a word used by those who don't necessarily want to address an
actual number. 49 is a minority out of 100 if you are only talking two
classes or people. Yep minority was a good word for you to use for the
argument. I have always "guessed" smokers at 15% when discussing percentages
of certain populations. I would think that in the cruise industry my number
is kind to say the least. Not sure what business your in, but everyone I
have been associated with would be at wits end over a predictable drop of
15% of revenues. When you think of the poor Casino staff that number has to
be a substantial number of people not gambling and thus not tipping them.
But those breathing the "clean" air will realize this and compensate for it
right?



My wife still smokes, and we like to cruise. If she cannot have
a cigarette now and then we'll simply find another way to take
our hotel with us - like a 10 meter luxury motor home.

From a purely business viewpoint, I imagine the cruise lines
will solve the problem with some combination of improved safety
measures and restricted smoking areas.

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On 7/7/2007 5:32 PM Cruises exclaimed:
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Not very much likely. Smokers are in the minority. Think of it this
way. It could encourage more smokers to quit or at least wear the
nicotine patch while they cruise. Since smokers are in the minority, the
financial impact of completely banning smoking aboard a cruise ship will
be minimal.

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Minority is a word used by those who don't necessarily want to address an
actual number. 49 is a minority out of 100 if you are only talking two
classes or people. Yep minority was a good word for you to use for the
argument. I have always "guessed" smokers at 15% when discussing
percentages of certain populations. I would think that in the cruise
industry my number is kind to say the least. Not sure what business your
in, but everyone I have been associated with would be at wits end over a
predictable drop of 15% of revenues. When you think of the poor Casino
staff that number has to be a substantial number of people not gambling
and thus not tipping them. But those breathing the "clean" air will
realize this and compensate for it right?


If just one ship were to enforce it as the Carnival Paradise did, it would
probably fail, but if all the cruise lines do it, it'll probably be more
successful and accepted...there will be no choice...No doubt there will be
some financial impact at first, but the no smoking message is spreading all
over the world...took effect in bars and restaurants in London just this
July first!

The poor casino staff may just appreciate it too..I have been in the casino
and had to move many times because a smoker would come sit next to me and
smoke one after another with the smoke hitting me in the face. Think of
having to put up with that day in day out....Some of the ships have split
their casino into smoking and non-smoking areas...but it drifts over and you
know how it is..the machine that you think you might want to play will be in
the wrong area!!! ;-)

Don't knock breathing clean air....I took the Carnival Paradise and enjoyed
the fresh air immensely. I was disappointed that the concept failed at the
time and that more cruise lines did not jump on the wagon. Besides having a
fire while on the seas is a horrific thing! It's terrifying anywhere but
just imagine it happening on a transatlantic...I can't remember seeing a
ship in sight on the seas the entire time on our last one.

--Jean

On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 19:09:30 -0400, "Cruises" wrote:


Minority is a word used by those who don't necessarily want to address an
actual number. 49 is a minority out of 100 if you are only talking two
classes or people. Yep minority was a good word for you to use for the
argument. I have always "guessed" smokers at 15% when discussing percentages
of certain populations. I would think that in the cruise industry my number
is kind to say the least. Not sure what business your in, but everyone I
have been associated with would be at wits end over a predictable drop of
15% of revenues. When you think of the poor Casino staff that number has to
be a substantial number of people not gambling and thus not tipping them.
But those breathing the "clean" air will realize this and compensate for it
right?


We won't go in the casino when others are there smoking. I doubt if
I'm the only one who feels that way. So there is a greater chance that
more of the 85% who don't smoke will gamble or even cruise.

"Cruises" wrote in message
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Atcually the best chance of that happening is when they finally BAN
SMOKING
on the ships. That will effectly BAN SMOKERS from any of the ships and BAN
SMOKERS DOLLARS from any of the ships which will Significantly increase
cruise fares across the board (exponentially) which will reduce some of
the
less die hard cruisers which will prevent more dollars being spent which
will require more rate increases ........ well not hard to figure out the
rest of the tale.

I don't know. Even in municipalities which have not banned smoking in
restaurants, many restaurants have gone entirely non-smoking and seem to be
surviving quite well. OTOH, I know one bar owner who had to stop serving
sandwiches after Florida banned smoking in "restaurants". Most of his
clients are smokers and to keep his regular customers he had to give up
serving food. The booze was more profitable than the sandwiches. Banning
smoking onboard except in designated smoking rooms seems to me to be a bit
extreme but the cruise line probably believes that this makes good economic
sense for them.

Now if the cruise line banned alcohol they'd go bust in a New York second.

--
Donald R. Newcomb
DRNewcomb (at) attglobal (dot) net

"Brian K" wrote

Since smokers are in the minority, the financial impact of completely
banning smoking aboard a cruise ship will be minimal.

Way wrong. Banning smoking would prevent smokers from cruising, PLUS... the
people who cruise with them.

First of all, 21.6 percent of adults smoke.
http://www.cdc.gov/od/oc/media/pressrel/r050526a.htm Even if you are right,
not many business can afford to lose over 1/5 of their business.

One couple, one person smokes. Ban smoking and both couples stay home. Now
the 22% rises to 44%.

One family group of 30 people. Say five people smoke... the whole group
goes somewhere else. (This is why the Paradise failed as a non-smoking
ship).

The financial impact of totally banning smoking from a cruise ship would not
be minimal.... it could be very severe.

You won't see smoking banned but you will see more restrictions placed on
where people can smoke... just like here on land.


--
George Leppla http://www.CruiseMaster.com

October 14, 2007 MOAGC 3 - http://www.moagc-3.com
January 20, 2008 - GGC2008 - http://cruisemaster.com/adventure.htm
June 5, 2008 9 nt from NJ - http://www.cruisemaster.com/explorer.htm

In article , George Leppla
wrote:

You won't see smoking banned but you will see more restrictions placed on
where people can smoke... just like here on land.

They will leave a couple of designated smoking areas, like on Oceania,
and that will be enough. The smokers will adjust.

--
Charles

nunymouse wrote:

My wife still smokes, and we like to cruise. If she cannot have
a cigarette now and then we'll simply find another way to take
our hotel with us - like a 10 meter luxury motor home.

Will it float? Seems like it won't be nearly the same experience
as going on a cruise. But at least she'll still be able to
smoke. It's good to have priorities.

Bill