fraud problem

Hello,

I would like to know what would happen in the event of an Australian
credit card number being obtained, and used to illegally pay for
airline tickets in Ireland, departing from the Hungary. Would the
person be arrested trying to use the tickets, or would they simply be
refused, as the crime was not committed in hungary? I am also trying
to learn about Australian law, as it seems unless you can prove that
you didn't make the transaction or give our details out in someway I
will
be held liable?

Cheers,
Jason

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wrote:

Hello,

I would like to know what would happen in the event of an Australian
credit card number being obtained, and used to illegally pay for
airline tickets in Ireland, departing from the Hungary. Would the
person be arrested trying to use the tickets, or would they simply be
refused, as the crime was not committed in hungary? I am also trying
to learn about Australian law, as it seems unless you can prove that
you didn't make the transaction or give our details out in someway I
will be held liable?

If Australia has an embassy or consul in Ireland and Hungary, contact
them and ask. Your credit card issuer might also be able to help.

On 13 Aug, 01:48, Craig Welch wrote:
wrote:
I would like to know what would happen in the event of an Australian
credit card number being obtained, and used to illegally pay for
airline tickets in Ireland, departing from the Hungary. Would the
person be arrested trying to use the tickets, or would they simply be
refused, as the crime was not committed in hungary?

There are several crimes involved here. At least one of them would have
been committed in Hungary.
Which ones? This is what I am trying to understand, not having a
knowledge of law.

Could you outline the crimes in each country, and there penalties, and
where they could be applied?


I am also trying
to learn about Australian law, as it seems unless you can prove that
you didn't make the transaction or give our details out in someway I
will
be held liable?

Not at all. With all credit card transactions, the onus is on the
merchant to prove that the transaction is a good one.

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On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 00:48:53 GMT Craig Welch wrote:

wrote:

: I would like to know what would happen in the event of an Australian
: credit card number being obtained, and used to illegally pay for
: airline tickets in Ireland, departing from the Hungary. Would the
: person be arrested trying to use the tickets, or would they simply be
: refused, as the crime was not committed in hungary?

:There are several crimes involved here. At least one of them would have
:been committed in Hungary.

: I am also trying
: to learn about Australian law, as it seems unless you can prove that
: you didn't make the transaction or give our details out in someway I
: will
: be held liable?

:Not at all. With all credit card transactions, the onus is on the
:merchant to prove that the transaction is a good one.

Is that true everywhere?

It is true in the US.

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wrote:

Hello,

I would like to know what would happen in the event of an Australian
credit card number being obtained, and used to illegally pay for
airline tickets in Ireland, departing from the Hungary. Would the
person be arrested trying to use the tickets, or would they simply be
refused, as the crime was not committed in hungary? I am also trying
to learn about Australian law, as it seems unless you can prove that
you didn't make the transaction or give our details out in someway I
will
be held liable?


What did your credit card company say when you called them?

On Aug 13, 4:00 am, wrote:
Hello,

I would like to know what would happen in the event of an Australian
credit card number being obtained, and used to illegally pay for
airline tickets in Ireland, departing from the Hungary. Would the
person be arrested trying to use the tickets, or would they simply be
refused, as the crime was not committed in hungary?

What difference does it make? It's not your problem. It sounds almost
like you're trying to set someone up. Did a buddy or girlfriend or
someone use your card number and you want them arrested?

I am also trying
to learn about Australian law, as it seems unless you can prove that
you didn't make the transaction or give our details out in someway I
will be held liable?

It's not Australian law that matters, it's the Credit Card company
written policy.

In most cases you're not liable for over $50. If they did had the
actual card they'll look at the signature.

If, however, you fail to dispute it within a reasonable time (usually
30 days after receiving the statement) you are stuck paying the bill.

Just remember that if you dispute it and it turns out that there was
something else going on (trying to punish an ex-girl friend or
something, or lying about whether or not a transaction was fake) you
go to jail.

Dave Witmarsh wrote:

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:02:47 -0700, mrtravel wrote:


wrote:


Hello,

I would like to know what would happen in the event of an Australian
credit card number being obtained, and used to illegally pay for
airline tickets in Ireland, departing from the Hungary. Would the
person be arrested trying to use the tickets, or would they simply be
refused, as the crime was not committed in hungary? I am also trying
to learn about Australian law, as it seems unless you can prove that
you didn't make the transaction or give our details out in someway I
will
be held liable?


What did your credit card company say when you called them?


No doubt they fed him some line of bull****, that's why he's posting
here. Hope that the wades through tedious trolls like you and gets
some sort of answer

If you say so.
I haven't had any such problems with my credit card issuers.
I doubt he asked them.

On 14 Aug, 08:46, Tchiowa wrote:
On Aug 13, 4:00 am, wrote:

Hello,

I would like to know what would happen in the event of an Australian
credit card number being obtained, and used to illegally pay for
airline tickets in Ireland, departing from the Hungary. Would the
person be arrested trying to use the tickets, or would they simply be
refused, as the crime was not committed in hungary?

What difference does it make? It's not your problem. It sounds almost
like you're trying to set someone up. Did a buddy or girlfriend or
someone use your card number and you want them arrested?

If I was trying to set someone up I would be asking questions
pertaining to
the penalties I would face for fraud, not the other way around. I care
because I am curious, this happened to me, and I would like use my
case for the basis of one of my assignments.


I am also trying
to learn about Australian law, as it seems unless you can prove that
you didn't make the transaction or give our details out in someway I
will be held liable?

It's not Australian law that matters, it's the Credit Card company
written policy.
Which is changed to be within the laws of the country. For example,
I am liable for a minimum of $150 as opposed to 50 everywhere else.


In most cases you're not liable for over $50. If they did had the
actual card they'll look at the signature.

If, however, you fail to dispute it within a reasonable time (usually
30 days after receiving the statement) you are stuck paying the bill.

Just remember that if you dispute it and it turns out that there was
something else going on (trying to punish an ex-girl friend or
something, or lying about whether or not a transaction was fake) you
go to jail.

Thanks....I think, even then that would be unlikely as it could not be
proven,
the worst that would happen is I would have to pay...

On 14 Aug, 08:37, Dave Witmarsh wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:02:47 -0700, mrtravel wrote:
wrote:

Hello,

I would like to know what would happen in the event of an Australian
credit card number being obtained, and used to illegally pay for
airline tickets in Ireland, departing from the Hungary. Would the
person be arrested trying to use the tickets, or would they simply be
refused, as the crime was not committed in hungary? I am also trying
to learn about Australian law, as it seems unless you can prove that
you didn't make the transaction or give our details out in someway I
will
be held liable?

What did your credit card company say when you called them?

No doubt they fed him some line of bull****, that's why he's posting
here. Hope that the wades through tedious trolls like you and gets
some sort of answer

Apparently I made my details available at some stage..., even though I
have had it physically on me
at all times. They are basing this on my lack of internet transactions
and the fact that they had the ccv code.

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wrote:

Apparently I made my details available at some stage..., even though I
have had it physically on me
at all times. They are basing this on my lack of internet transactions
and the fact that they had the ccv code.

At all times? You never handed your card to someone else to swipe?

That's all it takes for someone to grab the CVV code (and the fact that
credit card companies rely on this indicates how little interest they
have in security -- It's cheaper to pay for the fraud then to pay for
security -- Fair enough, good business and all that, just don't take it
personally when you're a victim)

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