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Old November 25th, 2012, 06:06 PM posted to soc.retirement,alt.activism.death-penalty,alt.politics.economics,alt.politics.liberalism,rec.travel.europe
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On Nov 25, 4:38*am, chatnoir wrote:


"THE CONSERVATIVE" will do anything in a attempt to show that slavery
is really in the best interests of the slave. "THE CONSERVATIVES" even
used crank economics to defend slavery, such as that the freeing of
slaves was a confiscation of private property.

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Old November 25th, 2012, 06:08 PM posted to soc.retirement,alt.activism.death-penalty,alt.politics.economics,alt.politics.liberalism,rec.travel.europe
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On Nov 25, 8:51*am, mikeos wrote:
On 25/11/2012 10:38, chatnoir wrote:
*
* The idea of black Confederates appeals to present-day neo-
* Confederates, who are eager to find ways to defend the principles of
* the Confederate States of America. They say the Civil War was about
* states rights, and they wish to minimize the role of slavery in a
* vanished and romantic antebellum South.

Sure it was about "states rights". The right to oppress a minority and
enslave them. Where's the contradiction?


of course its also unconstitutional.
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Old November 25th, 2012, 06:44 PM posted to soc.retirement,alt.activism.death-penalty,alt.politics.economics,alt.politics.liberalism,rec.travel.europe
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On Nov 25, 9:08*am, Bret Cahill wrote:
* The idea of black Confederates appeals to present-day neo-
* Confederates, who are eager to find ways to defend the principles of
* the Confederate States of America. They say the Civil War was about
* states rights, and they wish to minimize the role of slavery in a
* vanished and romantic antebellum South.


Sure it was about "states rights". The right to oppress a minority and
enslave them. Where's the contradiction?


In any controversy between federal power vs states rights the Supreme
Court should go with states rights when it comes to individual
freedom, i.e.,


How do you get individual freedom with slavery?

Oregon's assisted suicide, and with federal power when
it comes to minority rights.

Jefferson, anticipating the Civil War, warned everyone on all sides to
try to avoid that controversy in the first place.

And, no, looneytarians, there is no "induhvidualist right" in the
constitution to not pay federal taxes.

Bret Cahill

"I've never heard anyone complain about provencial liberties."

"The greatest danger to democracy is the tyranny of the majority."

-- Tocqueville


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Old November 25th, 2012, 06:46 PM posted to soc.retirement,alt.activism.death-penalty,alt.politics.economics,alt.politics.liberalism,rec.travel.europe
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On Nov 25, 7:51*am, mikeos wrote:
On 25/11/2012 10:38, chatnoir wrote:
*
* The idea of black Confederates appeals to present-day neo-
* Confederates, who are eager to find ways to defend the principles of
* the Confederate States of America. They say the Civil War was about
* states rights, and they wish to minimize the role of slavery in a
* vanished and romantic antebellum South.

Sure it was about "states rights". The right to oppress a minority and
enslave them. Where's the contradiction?


Just that one was used to justify the other!
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Old November 25th, 2012, 06:49 PM posted to soc.retirement,alt.activism.death-penalty,alt.politics.economics,alt.politics.liberalism,rec.travel.europe
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Black Confederates in the Civil War

"Black Confederates? Why haven’t we heard more about them? National
Park Service historian, Ed Bearrs, stated, “I don’t want to call it a
conspiracy to ignore the role of Blacks both above and below the Mason-
Dixon line, but it was definitely a tendency that began around 1910”
Historian, Erwin L. Jordan, Jr., calls it a “cover-up” which started
back in 1865.


..It has been estimated that over 65,000 Southern blacks were in the
Confederate ranks. Over 13,000 of these, “saw the elephant” also known
as meeting the enemy in combat. These Black Confederates included both
slave and free. The Confederate Congress did not approve blacks to be
officially enlisted as soldiers (except as musicians), until late in
the war. But in the ranks it was a different story. Many Confederate
officers did not obey the mandates of politicians, they frequently
enlisted blacks with the simple criteria, “Will you fight?” Historian
Ervin Jordan, explains that “biracial units” were frequently organized
“by local Confederate and State militia Commanders in response to
immediate threats in the form of Union raids…”. Dr. Leonard Haynes, a
African-American professor at Southern University, stated, “When you
eliminate the black Confederate soldier, you’ve eliminated the history
of the South.”


google any portion of the above to retrieve the source


*there were blacks in the KKK, and there were nazi sympathizers who
were jewish, so whats your point, that there are those stupid enough
to go against their own best self interests.


They weren't so much stupid as ignorant of the habits rights and
duties of freedom -- very much analogous to the white tire biter wage
slaves here on newsgroups.

Understanding this is critical to getting the U. S. back on track. As
Tocqueville wrote, "A despotism would find it more difficult to
overcome the habits of freedom than to overcome the love of freedom
itself."

The reverse is also true. To restore freedom they will need to
overcome the habits of servitude. This will only be slightly less
difficult.


Bret Cahill








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Old November 26th, 2012, 12:55 AM posted to soc.retirement,alt.activism.death-penalty,alt.politics.economics,alt.politics.liberalism,rec.travel.europe
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On Nov 25, 11:49*am, Bret Cahill wrote:
Black Confederates in the Civil War


"Black Confederates? Why haven’t we heard more about them? National
Park Service historian, Ed Bearrs, stated, “I don’t want to call it a
conspiracy to ignore the role of Blacks both above and below the Mason-
Dixon line, but it was definitely a tendency that began around 1910”
Historian, Erwin L. Jordan, Jr., calls it a “cover-up” which started
back in 1865.


..It has been estimated that over 65,000 Southern blacks were in the
Confederate ranks. Over 13,000 of these, “saw the elephant” also known
as meeting the enemy in combat. These Black Confederates included both
slave and free. The Confederate Congress did not approve blacks to be
officially enlisted as soldiers (except as musicians), until late in
the war. But in the ranks it was a different story. Many Confederate
officers did not obey the mandates of politicians, they frequently
enlisted blacks with the simple criteria, “Will you fight?” Historian
Ervin Jordan, explains that “biracial units” were frequently organized
“by local Confederate and State militia Commanders in response to
immediate threats in the form of Union raids…”. Dr. Leonard Haynes, a
African-American professor at Southern University, stated, “When you
eliminate the black Confederate soldier, you’ve eliminated the history
of the South.”


google any portion of the above to retrieve the source


*there were blacks in the KKK, and there were nazi sympathizers who
were jewish, so whats your point, that there are those stupid enough
to go against their own best self interests.


They weren't so much stupid as ignorant of the habits rights and
duties of freedom -- very much analogous to the white tire biter wage
slaves here on newsgroups.

Understanding this is critical to getting the U. S. back on track. *As
Tocqueville wrote, "A despotism would find it more difficult to
overcome the habits of freedom than to overcome the love of freedom
itself."

The reverse is also true. *To restore freedom they will need to
overcome the habits of servitude. *This will only be slightly less
difficult.

Bret Cahill


its hard to get a dog to say no to treats.
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Old November 26th, 2012, 04:04 AM posted to soc.retirement,alt.activism.death-penalty,alt.politics.economics,alt.politics.liberalism,rec.travel.europe
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Black Confederates in the Civil War

"Black Confederates? Why haven’t we heard more about them? National
Park Service historian, Ed Bearrs, stated, “I don’t want to call it a
conspiracy to ignore the role of Blacks both above and below the Mason-
Dixon line, but it was definitely a tendency that began around 1910”
Historian, Erwin L. Jordan, Jr., calls it a “cover-up” which started
back in 1865.


..It has been estimated that over 65,000 Southern blacks were in the
Confederate ranks. Over 13,000 of these, “saw the elephant” also known
as meeting the enemy in combat. These Black Confederates included both
slave and free. The Confederate Congress did not approve blacks to be
officially enlisted as soldiers (except as musicians), until late in
the war. But in the ranks it was a different story. Many Confederate
officers did not obey the mandates of politicians, they frequently
enlisted blacks with the simple criteria, “Will you fight?” Historian
Ervin Jordan, explains that “biracial units” were frequently organized
“by local Confederate and State militia Commanders in response to
immediate threats in the form of Union raids…”. Dr. Leonard Haynes, a
African-American professor at Southern University, stated, “When you
eliminate the black Confederate soldier, you’ve eliminated the history
of the South.”


google any portion of the above to retrieve the source


*there were blacks in the KKK, and there were nazi sympathizers who
were jewish, so whats your point, that there are those stupid enough
to go against their own best self interests.


They weren't so much stupid as ignorant of the habits rights and
duties of freedom -- very much analogous to the white tire biter wage
slaves here on newsgroups.


Understanding this is critical to getting the U. S. back on track. *As
Tocqueville wrote, "A despotism would find it more difficult to
overcome the habits of freedom than to overcome the love of freedom
itself."


The reverse is also true. *To restore freedom they will need to
overcome the habits of servitude. *This will only be slightly less
difficult.


Bret Cahill


*its hard to get a dog to say no to treats.


But the tire biters here aren't getting any treats. They are just
idiots, even more stupid than most dogs.

That is obvious by the way Karl Rove and Mittens were willing to toss
the wingers under the bus.

That's why the legacy media thinks Teaparty is 100% racist -- there
isn't anything else in it for them.

Actually only about half are racists. The rest are so stupid they
think they'll get a biscuit when Koch is much more likely to offer us
money to STFU.


Bret Cahill




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Old November 26th, 2012, 05:48 AM posted to soc.retirement,alt.activism.death-penalty,alt.politics.economics,alt.politics.liberalism,rec.travel.europe
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On Nov 25, 9:04*pm, Bret Cahill wrote:
Black Confederates in the Civil War


"Black Confederates? Why haven’t we heard more about them? National
Park Service historian, Ed Bearrs, stated, “I don’t want to call it a
conspiracy to ignore the role of Blacks both above and below the Mason-
Dixon line, but it was definitely a tendency that began around 1910”
Historian, Erwin L. Jordan, Jr., calls it a “cover-up” which started
back in 1865.


..It has been estimated that over 65,000 Southern blacks were in the
Confederate ranks. Over 13,000 of these, “saw the elephant” also known
as meeting the enemy in combat. These Black Confederates included both
slave and free. The Confederate Congress did not approve blacks to be
officially enlisted as soldiers (except as musicians), until late in
the war. But in the ranks it was a different story. Many Confederate
officers did not obey the mandates of politicians, they frequently
enlisted blacks with the simple criteria, “Will you fight?” Historian
Ervin Jordan, explains that “biracial units” were frequently organized
“by local Confederate and State militia Commanders in response to
immediate threats in the form of Union raids…”. Dr. Leonard Haynes, a
African-American professor at Southern University, stated, “When you
eliminate the black Confederate soldier, you’ve eliminated the history
of the South.”


google any portion of the above to retrieve the source


*there were blacks in the KKK, and there were nazi sympathizers who
were jewish, so whats your point, that there are those stupid enough
to go against their own best self interests.


They weren't so much stupid as ignorant of the habits rights and
duties of freedom -- very much analogous to the white tire biter wage
slaves here on newsgroups.


Understanding this is critical to getting the U. S. back on track. *As
Tocqueville wrote, "A despotism would find it more difficult to
overcome the habits of freedom than to overcome the love of freedom
itself."


The reverse is also true. *To restore freedom they will need to
overcome the habits of servitude. *This will only be slightly less
difficult.


Bret Cahill


*its hard to get a dog to say no to treats.


But the tire biters here aren't getting any treats. *They are just
idiots, even more stupid than most dogs.



agreed. but that carrot and stick thingy has worked for decades. one
has to wonder how long it takes to get thru the denseness?


That is obvious by the way Karl Rove and Mittens were willing to toss
the wingers under the bus.



plan b was to steal ohio, then va. and florida.


That's why the legacy media thinks Teaparty is 100% racist -- there
isn't anything else in it for them.



true, not all of them are racists, but all of them are stupid.



Actually only about half are racists. *The rest are so stupid they
think they'll get a biscuit when Koch is much more likely to offer us
money to STFU.



agreed.



Bret Cahill


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Old November 26th, 2012, 06:07 PM posted to soc.retirement,alt.activism.death-penalty,alt.politics.economics,alt.politics.liberalism,rec.travel.europe
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Ah yes : black.
Very important to donovan.


"PJ O'D" a écrit dans le message de groupe de discussion
: ...
Black Confederates in the Civil War

"Black Confederates? Why haven’t we heard more about them? National
Park Service historian, Ed Bearrs, stated, “I don’t want to call it a
conspiracy to ignore the role of Blacks both above and below the Mason-
Dixon line, but it was definitely a tendency that began around 1910”
Historian, Erwin L. Jordan, Jr., calls it a “cover-up” which started
back in 1865.

..It has been estimated that over 65,000 Southern blacks were in the
Confederate ranks. Over 13,000 of these, “saw the elephant” also known
as meeting the enemy in combat. These Black Confederates included both
slave and free. The Confederate Congress did not approve blacks to be
officially enlisted as soldiers (except as musicians), until late in
the war. But in the ranks it was a different story. Many Confederate
officers did not obey the mandates of politicians, they frequently
enlisted blacks with the simple criteria, “Will you fight?” Historian
Ervin Jordan, explains that “biracial units” were frequently organized
“by local Confederate and State militia Commanders in response to
immediate threats in the form of Union raids…”. Dr. Leonard Haynes, a
African-American professor at Southern University, stated, “When you
eliminate the black Confederate soldier, you’ve eliminated the history
of the South.”

google any portion of the above to retrieve the source

 




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