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The Nullarbor
On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 15:17:37 +1000, kangaroo16
wrote in : On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 01:09:41 +0800, wrote in : On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 06:56:32 GMT, kangaroo16 wrote: On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:15:39 +0800, wrote in : On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 02:35:24 GMT, kangaroo16 wrote: On 27 Sep 2007 02:38:22 -0400, Dick Adams wrote in : kangaroo16 Dick Adams wrote: Where does the Nullarbor begin and where does it end? No definite points, opinion differs. IMHO, when driving from east to west, would say that Ceduna was the last eastern outpost. {{{{{{{snip, see original posts}}}}} Nullarbor Plain "This is a vast, treeless, flat, limestone plain covering 270 000 square kilometres. It is 50 m - 200 m above sea level, extending for 2000 km across the southern parts..." Nullarbor plain...... 2000km across..... I don't think so...... NO way....... Yeah, I know, it seems longer! :-) Of course, I crossed it, and drove a goodly portion of it, decades ago, at night. Have you crossed it? Was it paved when you did? In that case, it might seem shorter.:-) Only the odd few times..... First time was around 1965, when it was still dirt from Norseman in WA to Port Augusta in SA. That time it took a mate and myself three days just to do the Norseman to Ceduna stretch, camping out each night along the way. Still unpaved in 1967 when hitchiked from Sydney to Perth with a mate. Hitching was easier in those days, and we had learned enough to put large sign on one frame pack, magic marker on flourescent orange plastic, that said "USA to Perth". Were just west of Ceduna when a bloke in a car sped past, pulled up a 100 meters or so, then backed up to where we were. Turned out to be a salesman who had to be in Perth the next day, said that he had decided to pick us up to help keep him awake. All of us had drivers licenses, so told him we could do better than that, we could rotate the driving. He liked that idea even better, so I drove the midnight to 4 AM shift.Got to Perth about noon, from memory.:-) In any case, I must admit that I didn't personally measure the distance. I'm quoting data from The Australian Museum http://www.amonline.net.au/geoscienc...h/nullabor.htm Someone there seriously needs to get their bottom smacked over that, as any map will show that is totally incorrect. If you do a Whereis.com.au map directions enquiry, you'll find that the distance from Norseman to Ceduna is shown as 1206.21 km. You even make mention of a distance around this figure further down in your original post, between these 2 places. If they are in error, I'm sure that they would be grateful if you pointed out why you think them to be in error. See above, perhaps you could point this out to them. If you don't want to, I'm certainly willing. I don't like to make errors in posts, especially when am misled by a supposedly reliable source. Perhaps we should both criticise them. Or, if group members want to "stir" a little, over the next few days we could all criticise them. :-) Have read that advertising managers have called on the carpet for a nationwide ad on the basis of 3 or 4 complaints. OTOH, as a Christian I shouldn't even suggest that course of action. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". To be more precise: John 8:7 King James Version (KJV) Public Domain [A Public Domain Bible] [KJV at Zondervan] [Zondervan] 7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. John 8:7 (King James Version) http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...:7;&version=9; Or for those who wish to dig deeper: http://bible.cc/john/8-7.htm There is a lot of good info on the net, but a lot of crap as well. What gets me is spelling errors by people who should know better, such as a scientific or medical article posted by some Ph.D. or M.D. Am not talking here of spelling variations such as the English "whisky" which Yanks spell "whiskey", but misspelling of common words. If they write it themselves, do they post it themselves or dictate it to a secretary? If so, do they proofread it? Do neither of them use a spellchecker program? To be more charitable, perhaps at some point electrical interference may flip a "0" to a "1" and vice-versa? ..... However, it seems to happen much more often than one would think. In any case, would think that they would check their posted website copy. It might be useful if you quote your full header, as follows: [snip] Doubt this? Click on it to show full header of your message. In Agent Forte, you could toggle full headers on and off by pressing key "h". I don't know if this works for the free version, as haven't used it for ten years or so, but it certainly works in Agent Forte. Try it and see! Incidentally, have been working on something else, and checking groups every few minutes. According to your full header, your message was posted at: Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:15:39 +0800 GMT +0800 is WA time ....not Kiwi time _Mea culpa maxima_! You are right, of course! I shouldn't write posts "off the top of my head" should I? :-) Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Current time Saturday, September 29, 2007 at 2:47:49 PM EST UTC/GMT Offset Standard time zone: UTC/GMT +10 hours No daylight saving time at the moment Time zone abbreviation: EST - Eastern Standard Time Daylight Saving Time DST ended on Sunday, March 25, 2007 at 3:00 AM local daylight time DST starts on Sunday, October 28, 2007 at 2:00 AM local standard time See time changes/daylight saving time in other years Perth, Western Australia, Australia Current time Saturday, September 29, 2007 at 12:49:59 PM WST UTC/GMT Offset Standard time zone: UTC/GMT +8 hours No daylight saving time at the moment Time zone abbreviation: WST - Western Standard Time To me, this indicates you might be a "Kiwi" posting from "Kiwiland" :-) My mistake, thanks for the correction! This doesn't negate your question, but am a bit interested in why you don't think that 2,000 kM is a reasonable length for the Nullabour Plain. See above After all, 2,000 km = 1,242.80 miles, and N.Z. does use the metric system, doesn't it? I don't claim to be free of errors, as I even managed to get the Tropic of Capricorn confused with Tropic of Cancer. [As don't usually proofread posts, just spellcheck.] Now I could seek other sources, written or on the net, for the 2,000 km figure, and will do this if you think it necessary. It may be interesting..... go for it. with all the stuff you put in your posts, you obviously have the time to look around for information. True, but like most people, I don't bother, and take some things for granted. Ask a yank the boiling point of water and the freezing point of water and he will say 212 degrees and 32 degrees. If a bit pedantic, he might add "Fahrenheit". Ask an Aussie the same question, and he will probably say 100 and 0, If a bit pedantic, he might add "C", or "Celsius" or "Centigrade". As you probably know, both are actually meaningless unless one adds "using distilled water at "STP" or "Standard Temperature and Pressure" using a certified class A lab thermometer or other certified and calibrated scientific instrument. ....And even then, to what decimal point accuracy are we considering and when was the instrument last certified? :-) I've read UFO books where the author used silica, silicon, and silicone interchangably. IMHO, if the author hasn't checked his facts, I shouldn't depend too much on his suppositions.:-) Is attention to detail important? Well, it can be. Suppose someone is searching the net for information on "scotch whiskey"? A Yank would spell it this way, but a Pom would search for "scotch wiskey". So for the maximium number of returns, in practice, should search under both spellings. Search terms should all be in lower case as well, as you probably know :-) Proof? Well, I could ask readers to check on Google, but in an attempt to atone for my mistakes, will save them a bit of time, if they bother to read our posts at all. :-) Results 1 - 10 of about 2,090,000 for scotch whiskey. Results 1 - 10 of about 2,090,000 for Scotch whiskey. .....So possibly the net has got this one sorted out. scotch whisky: Results 1 - 10 of about 1,930,000 for scotch whisky [definition]. Scotch whisky: Results 1 - 10 of about 2,010,000 for Scotch whisky Interesting! If do this excercise again, will try for a better example! "tyre" v.s. "tire" perhaps? Oh, well, won't take long. Results 1 - 10 of about 12,900,000 for tyre [definition]. (0.12 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 63,900,000 for tire [definition]. (0.04 seconds) Oh well, should be enough to show a Pommie that if looking for info on "tyres" or "tires" he or she should search with both terms! :-) Will avoid the temptation to insert a pommie joke. Perhaps am mellowing with age! :-) You really now need to make sure you get the correct information. Point taken, but like most people I do have some time limitations. At my age, could "kark it" or "fall off the perch" tonight. Of course, as Kenny Rogers sang in "The Gamblers Song" Every gambler knows That the secret to survivin' Is knowin' what to throw away And knowin' what to keep 'Cause every hand's a winner And every hand's a loser And the best that you can hope for Is to die in your sleep" http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/Ken...e-Gambler.html A link from: http://drneau.com/poker_soundtrack_ideas.htm ------------------------ Unexpected break! Wife came in, asked if wanted to see a documentary on Sydney channel 7, 4:30 PM, "Is their life after death (PGa Rpt CC) A doctoris pronounced dead after a heart attack, but awakes five hours later. 55455 Have you seen it in W.A.? ... If not, I would suggest that you try to. It might extend your horizons. My wife interruped this post to you and others thinking I would be interested. I was, and and we discussed it on commercial breaks. Excellent program, discussed both the "religious" and "scientific" sides of the issue. Before anyone asks, yes, I have a "N.D.E" or "Near Death Experience". If you and others have read this far, they might wonder why I bother to "range far and wide" on groups. Dunno, actually, perhaps just a "hunch" that some reader might value my posts.(Shrug!) Not that unusual, many people have. Most are reluctant to talk about it, though. Why? ... Well as most psychologists, psychiatrists, or priests, or even MD's would tell you, most people are aren't all that truthful! If into poetry, See: http://www.wonko.info/albatross/default.htm Too much other stuff down below to go any further.... Bye and have a nice day. Trying to, and has worked out rather well actually. However, I do think you should be able to find a better point to challenge me on. :-) Perhaps something along the lines of how one differentiates between a "kangaroo" and a "wallaby"? Well, on usenet, I generally offer the very rough definition that most Aussies use. If it is below waist height, and looks like a 'roo, then it is likely to be a "wallaby". If higher, a 'roo. :-) Then again, not many macropods in N.Z. from memory. The other marsupials such as the opossums seem to be doing rather well over there, though!:-) Personally, am amazed at how many "yanks", of which I am one, consider Australia and N.Z. to be "close together". They aren't, of course, and must try to get there someday and have a look. I actually am interested in volcanoes and earthquakes. Fortunately or unfortunately, Australia is outside the "Pacific Ring of Fire". Those who don't know what this means should "Google it" or check on "Plate Tectonics" as well. Still, I don't mean to denigrate N.Z. It is at least somewhat close to Australia, thus in one of the better parts of the world! :-) After all, you wouldn't want to live in the U.K. or the U.S., would you? :-) Are you in N.Z. at all, or just using a server there? If there, are you an immigrant, or born there? Slow day on " rec.travel.australia+nz" but then again, seems to be a very slow group, compared to most. In other words, when I go online, doesn't take me more than a couple of minutes to check both visitor and immigration groups. Still, we have some tourist attractions on at the moment. You, and others might like to check out: -------------------------------------- Outback race to flush out fastest dunny Posted 6 hours 5 minutes ago * Map: Winton 4735 The world's eyes, and noses, are on the outback central western Queensland town of Winton today for the Australian Dunny Derby.... http://www.abc.com.au/news/stories/2...28/2045954.htm [snip] Perhaps I should say a few phrase in "strine" for the benifit of brave readers who may read this post" A message to you in "strine" you which may not be understatandable to others: " Fair go mate! Don't come the raw prawn with me"! "Not an "alf" "Gidday you old *******" I would assume from your posts that you have have been "back of beyond". Don't want to "Have a Barney" with you. I don't really think that you are "trying Big note yourself", or are really "Doing your Block" Cheers, kangaroo16 |
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On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 17:49:20 GMT, MI
wrote in : On 9/29/07 3:29 AM, in article , "kangaroo16" wrote: snip Am not talking here of spelling variations such as the English "whisky" which Yanks spell "whiskey", but misspelling of common words. These spelling are not an English-US variation. Only scotch whisky and Canadian whisky can spell the word without the "e" Apparently, is an acknowledgement of the quality and history of the product. They are both quite different in flavour. Thanks for the info! Was unaware of that, as scotch is one of the distilled spirits that I seldom drink as I actually don't like the taste. Given a choice of spirits, I much prefer a good bourbon, or even vodka. When attending university in the US, took organic chemistry. Every student was regularly issued 100 ml of ethanol, C2H5OH, to remove traces of water from washed glassware. However, students being students, a considerable percentage of the ethanol was diverted for beverage purposes! Chemically pure ethanol suitably diluted to the proper percentage makes the purest vodka obtainable. It could even be cautiously sipped. I have heard from a reliable source, a naval officer, that a medical corpsman on a ship used to fill a small glassful of pure ethanol when he went on duty, and sipped it occasionally. Unfortunately, he found that an officer was about to make an unexpected visit to the sick bay, so, not wanting to be caught, grabbed the glass and drank it all. What he hadn't realised, though, is that alcohol is very volatile. He gasped as he drank it, vapors hit his lungs, and he ended up with frostbite of the lungs. Somewhat stupid of him, actually, but he made a full recovery after a couple of days. In another case, a medical student decided that a quick drunk could be obtained if he injected himself I.V. with ethanol. Unfortunately, he injected it far too rapidly, and died quite quickly as a result. From memory, Alexander Pope wrote in an "Essay on Criticism": "A little learning is a dangerous thing: Drink deep or taste not the Pierian spring . . ." However, not wanting to make further errors, will check it online.:-) "A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: there shallow draughts intoxicate the brain, and drinking largely sobers us again." http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/10400.html For full poem, see first line of 16th stanza at: http://poetry.eserver.org/essay-on-criticism.html A recommended exercise for those readers who think I suffer from prolixity ;-) Cheers, Kangaroo 16 ""A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: there shallow draughts intoxicate the brain, and drinking largely sobers us again." taste of it. Martha Canada snip |
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Actually, should have gone into a bit more detail here. On many
highways and roads, even comparatively near the major cities. most people prefer to travel during the day. Would very much like to see the Nullabor some day!! |
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From your full header I gather that you might be from
the eastern USA. If so, I can appreciate your yen for the "wide open spaces" with a low population. I'm in Missouri..the Midwest.... but have always been attracted to desolate and wide open places. Just something abt them I first learned of the Nullarbor when reading this book last winter. se link http://www.amazon.com/Cold-Beer-Croc.../dp/0792263650 |
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Here is a photo of the Nullarbor taken from the side of the highway.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2tlydv This one is of that part of the highway near Eucla WA. The "fog" is actually sea mist off the Southern Ocean. http://preview.tinyurl.com/2lxbb4 Ross ps. these files are about 300 K each. wrote in message ... From your full header I gather that you might be from the eastern USA. If so, I can appreciate your yen for the "wide open spaces" with a low population. I'm in Missouri..the Midwest.... but have always been attracted to desolate and wide open places. Just something abt them I first learned of the Nullarbor when reading this book last winter. se link http://www.amazon.com/Cold-Beer-Croc.../dp/0792263650 |
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Here is a photo of the Nullarbor taken from the side of the highway.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2tlydv This one is of that part of the highway near Eucla WA. The "fog" is actually sea mist off the Southern Ocean. http://preview.tinyurl.com/2lxbb4 Ross ps. these files are about 300 K each. wow! Incredible!! Its so desolate it appears you can see the curve of the earth! |
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 04:34:57 GMT, kangaroo16
wrote: SNIP0ES Huge snips..... Further to our previous discussions regarding the location and size of the Nullarbor...... The plot thickens !! Here are the transcripts of the e-mails I sent to and received from the Australian national Museum, and their information from their geosciences staff, regarding the information you posted previously..... I am Astounded !! --------- Original message -------- Tony ned said on : Hi, Just reading one of the newsgroups, and the subject of the Nullarbor plain was mentioned. The person posting quoted your page on the Nullarbor plain, and the figure of 2000km being the length of the plain. This is all news to me as from Norseman in WA to Ceduna in SA is only around 1200km. Perhaps someone could clarify then, where the supposed start and end of the actual Nullarbor Plain are. Sent by the AM Public Enquiry System from Australian Museum Enquiries on Wednesday October 10, 2007 at 09:01 AEST Which attracted this reply.... On 10 Oct 2007 at 9:02, Australian Museum Enquiries wrote: Dear Tony, Thankyou for your enquiry. I checked with our Geosciences' staff and got this response: "Hi Ondine, some investigation revealed my original figure of 2000 km came from the Wilderness Society web page. I must now assume that this figure was in error, although it is still on their web site. The more correct figure should be close to 1200 km (Norseman to Ceduna), although I have also seen a range of figures and a range of boundary places." Ross Pogson, Geosciences. Thankyou for letting us know - we will correct the text as soon as we can! Regards Ondine Evans Web My last reply to them this evening by return to Ondine Evans.... OH Dear dear dear !!! A scientist whom supposedly knows about the Earths physical formation giving you, the Australian National Museum information that is patently incorrect I find very disturbing. Enough said. Tony |
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