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#51
September 19th, 2004, 10:17 PM
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"Alex Heney" wrote in message ... On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:00:43 +0100, "Gaz" wrote: "Jonathan Bryce" wrote in message ... sniper wrote: Surely this is an offence against Civil Liberties? If I'd been found guilty then maybe I could have understood it but in these circumstance this seems totally unfair, especially as I've previously travelled to the US many times without problems. The US doesn't have a human rights act. It has one of the worst human rights records of any country in the world today. rofl. Only in the world of fantasy relativism. The US doesnt need a human rights act, it has a near perfect system of limited government. Easily the most successful in the history of mankind. And you accuse *him* of living in a fantasy land! Name a better system of rational, limited and democratic government. Gaz 
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#52
September 19th, 2004, 10:17 PM
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"Alex Heney" wrote in message ... On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:00:43 +0100, "Gaz" wrote: "Jonathan Bryce" wrote in message ... sniper wrote: Surely this is an offence against Civil Liberties? If I'd been found guilty then maybe I could have understood it but in these circumstance this seems totally unfair, especially as I've previously travelled to the US many times without problems. The US doesn't have a human rights act. It has one of the worst human rights records of any country in the world today. rofl. Only in the world of fantasy relativism. The US doesnt need a human rights act, it has a near perfect system of limited government. Easily the most successful in the history of mankind. And you accuse *him* of living in a fantasy land! Name a better system of rational, limited and democratic government. Gaz
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#53
September 19th, 2004, 10:17 PM
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"Alex Heney" wrote in message ... On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:00:43 +0100, "Gaz" wrote: "Jonathan Bryce" wrote in message ... sniper wrote: Surely this is an offence against Civil Liberties? If I'd been found guilty then maybe I could have understood it but in these circumstance this seems totally unfair, especially as I've previously travelled to the US many times without problems. The US doesn't have a human rights act. It has one of the worst human rights records of any country in the world today. rofl. Only in the world of fantasy relativism. The US doesnt need a human rights act, it has a near perfect system of limited government. Easily the most successful in the history of mankind. And you accuse *him* of living in a fantasy land! Name a better system of rational, limited and democratic government. Gaz
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#54
September 19th, 2004, 10:19 PM
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"Jonathan Bryce" wrote in message ... Alex Heney wrote: Surely this is an offence against Civil Liberties? this is the US you are talking about. While there are many worse countries in the world, their civil liberties position is about the worst in the so called "free" world, those with anything approaching a genuine democracy. According to Amnesty International, only China and Iran are worse. Amnesty has a very specific agenda, it gains it publicity and exposure. It is relativised, you honestly think that people living in Zimbabwe are 'freer' then the US? Relativism is the poison of the marxists. Gaz
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September 19th, 2004, 10:19 PM
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"Jonathan Bryce" wrote in message ... Alex Heney wrote: Surely this is an offence against Civil Liberties? this is the US you are talking about. While there are many worse countries in the world, their civil liberties position is about the worst in the so called "free" world, those with anything approaching a genuine democracy. According to Amnesty International, only China and Iran are worse. Amnesty has a very specific agenda, it gains it publicity and exposure. It is relativised, you honestly think that people living in Zimbabwe are 'freer' then the US? Relativism is the poison of the marxists. Gaz
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#56
September 19th, 2004, 10:25 PM
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"Jonathan Bryce" wrote in message ... Alex Heney wrote: Surely this is an offence against Civil Liberties? this is the US you are talking about. While there are many worse countries in the world, their civil liberties position is about the worst in the so called "free" world, those with anything approaching a genuine democracy. According to Amnesty International, only China and Iran are worse. Perhaps UK should apply similar conditions on visitors from USA?
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#57
September 19th, 2004, 10:25 PM
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"Jonathan Bryce" wrote in message ... Alex Heney wrote: Surely this is an offence against Civil Liberties? this is the US you are talking about. While there are many worse countries in the world, their civil liberties position is about the worst in the so called "free" world, those with anything approaching a genuine democracy. According to Amnesty International, only China and Iran are worse. Perhaps UK should apply similar conditions on visitors from USA?
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#58
September 19th, 2004, 10:43 PM
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Alex Heney wrote:
|| On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:00:43 +0100, "Gaz" wrote: || ||| ||| "Jonathan Bryce" wrote in message ||| ... |||| sniper wrote: |||| ||||| Surely this is an offence against Civil Liberties? If I'd been ||||| found guilty then maybe I could have understood it but in these ||||| circumstance this seems totally unfair, especially as I've ||||| previously travelled to the US many times without problems. |||| |||| The US doesn't have a human rights act. It has one of the worst |||| human rights records of any country in the world today. ||| ||| rofl. Only in the world of fantasy relativism. ||| ||| The US doesnt need a human rights act, it has a near perfect system ||| of limited government. Easily the most successful in the history of ||| mankind. ||| || || And you accuse *him* of living in a fantasy land! Well I thought he was being ironic but now I'm not so sure? -- Rob
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#59
September 19th, 2004, 10:43 PM
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Alex Heney wrote:
|| On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:00:43 +0100, "Gaz" wrote: || ||| ||| "Jonathan Bryce" wrote in message ||| ... |||| sniper wrote: |||| ||||| Surely this is an offence against Civil Liberties? If I'd been ||||| found guilty then maybe I could have understood it but in these ||||| circumstance this seems totally unfair, especially as I've ||||| previously travelled to the US many times without problems. |||| |||| The US doesn't have a human rights act. It has one of the worst |||| human rights records of any country in the world today. ||| ||| rofl. Only in the world of fantasy relativism. ||| ||| The US doesnt need a human rights act, it has a near perfect system ||| of limited government. Easily the most successful in the history of ||| mankind. ||| || || And you accuse *him* of living in a fantasy land! Well I thought he was being ironic but now I'm not so sure? -- Rob
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#60
September 19th, 2004, 11:49 PM
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Jonathan Bryce wrote:
The US doesn't have a human rights act. It doesn't need one. It has the Bill of Rights instead. It has one of the worst human rights records of any country in the world today. Right........
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