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Clueless first-timer needs advice about cruises please
On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 05:43:02 GMT, "William Coleman"
wrote: shorts in the dining room does not show good taste nor common sense. Especially when the appropriate dress for the evening is spelled out for you by the cruiseline, and you know that before you even leave for your holiday. Bill You miss the point .... I'm not against *a* dress code, that's only common sense, and applies everywhere. I'm just against *all* cruisers having to lug around heavy and bulky suits and jackets simply to satisfy those who cannot digest a meal unless formally dressed. Not all travellers come from their homes with baggage all neatly taken care of on every step of the way. Some of us have to travel half-way around the globe to get to the cruise ship, and have any number of places where carrying baggage by hand is the only viable option. We already have to jetison much in the interests of space and weight and it's ludicrous to expect everyone to have to dress up like a peacock when "neat casual" would be more than adequate. I have never travelled without something respectable to dine in, but this blanket, over-the-top approach, is just plain inconsiderate. It seems to have entirely escaped several people's attention that I am not advocating sloppy dress, nor am I suggesting everyone has to lower their standards to an unacceptable degree. All I suggest is that there are hundreds of people on a cruise ship, and not all want to join the penguin parade. Why is it such a hard concept to understand that all tastes can be catered for ??? Why should the pretentious snobs be given preference? We manage to allow people to choose their excursions, choose their menus, choose their cabins, choose their destinations etc etc etc. Why not allow people to choose their dining habits as well, especially when they're on holiday. Heavens ... I'm not even *packing* a pair of shorts on my cruise! Bob T. |
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Clueless first-timer needs advice about cruises please
On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 05:48:25 GMT, "William Coleman"
wrote: Didn't you say in an earlier post that you have yet to take your first cruise? In your reply above you make it sound like you have taken cruises before. If you haven't cruised before how do you now that cruising "IS" your cup of tea? I have to agree with Tom that it a cruise may not be your cup of tea. I don't think one necessarily has to have cruised to know whether it's what suits. I have travelled independently, on bus tours and now I'm trying ships. There is no doubt that for my purposes (i.e. to see certain places and minimise moving bags and myself from hotel to hotel) a cruise is the best option. However, just as there are drawbacks to every form of holiday, it seems that cruising too has it's share of negatives - one of which is this dress-up policy on some ships. I think it depends on why you cruise. To some, the cruise is the focus - in fact an end in itself, whereas for others it is a means to an end. Some travel to cruise - others cruise to travel. You also shouldn't get all riled up with the RTC posters because of their responses. You can post the same questions on www.cruisecritic.com and you'll basically get the same kind of replies. Nah .... I'm nowhere *near* riled up. 8*) I've read a lot of cruising comments, and a lot of negativity about the penguin nights. I'll be happy to avoid those nights by eating at an alternative venue, but it would be fairer if the options were not so biased in favour of what is, in many ways, an anachronistic habit. I notice that many ships are changing this approach these days, just as a suit and tie is no more the standard for office wear. I think, in time, this sort of pretentiousness will become less popular as the younger age groups turn to cruising and the old school dies out. One can hope so anyway. Bob T. |
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Clueless first-timer needs advice about cruises please
On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 05:48:25 GMT, "William Coleman"
wrote: Didn't you say in an earlier post that you have yet to take your first cruise? In your reply above you make it sound like you have taken cruises before. If you haven't cruised before how do you now that cruising "IS" your cup of tea? I have to agree with Tom that it a cruise may not be your cup of tea. I don't think one necessarily has to have cruised to know whether it's what suits. I have travelled independently, on bus tours and now I'm trying ships. There is no doubt that for my purposes (i.e. to see certain places and minimise moving bags and myself from hotel to hotel) a cruise is the best option. However, just as there are drawbacks to every form of holiday, it seems that cruising too has it's share of negatives - one of which is this dress-up policy on some ships. I think it depends on why you cruise. To some, the cruise is the focus - in fact an end in itself, whereas for others it is a means to an end. Some travel to cruise - others cruise to travel. You also shouldn't get all riled up with the RTC posters because of their responses. You can post the same questions on www.cruisecritic.com and you'll basically get the same kind of replies. Nah .... I'm nowhere *near* riled up. 8*) I've read a lot of cruising comments, and a lot of negativity about the penguin nights. I'll be happy to avoid those nights by eating at an alternative venue, but it would be fairer if the options were not so biased in favour of what is, in many ways, an anachronistic habit. I notice that many ships are changing this approach these days, just as a suit and tie is no more the standard for office wear. I think, in time, this sort of pretentiousness will become less popular as the younger age groups turn to cruising and the old school dies out. One can hope so anyway. Bob T. |
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Clueless first-timer needs advice about cruises please
You sound like a Norwegian Cruiser for sure! Your email could be used as
an ad for them! Julie Bob Thomas wrote: On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 05:43:02 GMT, "William Coleman" wrote: shorts in the dining room does not show good taste nor common sense. Especially when the appropriate dress for the evening is spelled out for you by the cruiseline, and you know that before you even leave for your holiday. Bill You miss the point .... I'm not against *a* dress code, that's only common sense, and applies everywhere. I'm just against *all* cruisers having to lug around heavy and bulky suits and jackets simply to satisfy those who cannot digest a meal unless formally dressed. Not all travellers come from their homes with baggage all neatly taken care of on every step of the way. Some of us have to travel half-way around the globe to get to the cruise ship, and have any number of places where carrying baggage by hand is the only viable option. We already have to jetison much in the interests of space and weight and it's ludicrous to expect everyone to have to dress up like a peacock when "neat casual" would be more than adequate. I have never travelled without something respectable to dine in, but this blanket, over-the-top approach, is just plain inconsiderate. It seems to have entirely escaped several people's attention that I am not advocating sloppy dress, nor am I suggesting everyone has to lower their standards to an unacceptable degree. All I suggest is that there are hundreds of people on a cruise ship, and not all want to join the penguin parade. Why is it such a hard concept to understand that all tastes can be catered for ??? Why should the pretentious snobs be given preference? We manage to allow people to choose their excursions, choose their menus, choose their cabins, choose their destinations etc etc etc. Why not allow people to choose their dining habits as well, especially when they're on holiday. Heavens ... I'm not even *packing* a pair of shorts on my cruise! Bob T. -- Julie ********** Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm |
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You sound like a Norwegian Cruiser for sure! Your email could be used as
an ad for them! Julie Bob Thomas wrote: On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 05:43:02 GMT, "William Coleman" wrote: shorts in the dining room does not show good taste nor common sense. Especially when the appropriate dress for the evening is spelled out for you by the cruiseline, and you know that before you even leave for your holiday. Bill You miss the point .... I'm not against *a* dress code, that's only common sense, and applies everywhere. I'm just against *all* cruisers having to lug around heavy and bulky suits and jackets simply to satisfy those who cannot digest a meal unless formally dressed. Not all travellers come from their homes with baggage all neatly taken care of on every step of the way. Some of us have to travel half-way around the globe to get to the cruise ship, and have any number of places where carrying baggage by hand is the only viable option. We already have to jetison much in the interests of space and weight and it's ludicrous to expect everyone to have to dress up like a peacock when "neat casual" would be more than adequate. I have never travelled without something respectable to dine in, but this blanket, over-the-top approach, is just plain inconsiderate. It seems to have entirely escaped several people's attention that I am not advocating sloppy dress, nor am I suggesting everyone has to lower their standards to an unacceptable degree. All I suggest is that there are hundreds of people on a cruise ship, and not all want to join the penguin parade. Why is it such a hard concept to understand that all tastes can be catered for ??? Why should the pretentious snobs be given preference? We manage to allow people to choose their excursions, choose their menus, choose their cabins, choose their destinations etc etc etc. Why not allow people to choose their dining habits as well, especially when they're on holiday. Heavens ... I'm not even *packing* a pair of shorts on my cruise! Bob T. -- Julie ********** Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm |
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Bob Thomas wrote:
I think it depends on why you cruise. To some, the cruise is the focus - in fact an end in itself, whereas for others it is a means to an end. Some travel to cruise - others cruise to travel. I think this makes it clear that you don't understand cruises (or rather, mass market cruises). Cruising to travel is a little absurd, unless there is no other option. I've done cruises in the Caribbean and I've done land vacations in the Carribbean. Even for the person (like me) who researches the islands, sets off on their own, goes places that the canned excursions are not going, this is a very very poor way to see a new place. You cannot get a taste for it, the whole culture changes when the cruise ship docks, and you don't have nearly enough time. Cruising, as you will discover, is primarily about the ship, even on the port intensive cruises. And it is primarily about the society on the ship, the entertainment, the venues. Which does not even begin to address the dress code issue, on which I am closer to you than you think. Julie -- Julie ********** Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm |
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Clueless first-timer needs advice about cruises please
Bob Thomas wrote:
I think it depends on why you cruise. To some, the cruise is the focus - in fact an end in itself, whereas for others it is a means to an end. Some travel to cruise - others cruise to travel. I think this makes it clear that you don't understand cruises (or rather, mass market cruises). Cruising to travel is a little absurd, unless there is no other option. I've done cruises in the Caribbean and I've done land vacations in the Carribbean. Even for the person (like me) who researches the islands, sets off on their own, goes places that the canned excursions are not going, this is a very very poor way to see a new place. You cannot get a taste for it, the whole culture changes when the cruise ship docks, and you don't have nearly enough time. Cruising, as you will discover, is primarily about the ship, even on the port intensive cruises. And it is primarily about the society on the ship, the entertainment, the venues. Which does not even begin to address the dress code issue, on which I am closer to you than you think. Julie -- Julie ********** Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm |
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Clueless first-timer needs advice about cruises please
Bob Thomas wrote:
I think it depends on why you cruise. To some, the cruise is the focus - in fact an end in itself, whereas for others it is a means to an end. Some travel to cruise - others cruise to travel. I think this makes it clear that you don't understand cruises (or rather, mass market cruises). Cruising to travel is a little absurd, unless there is no other option. I've done cruises in the Caribbean and I've done land vacations in the Carribbean. Even for the person (like me) who researches the islands, sets off on their own, goes places that the canned excursions are not going, this is a very very poor way to see a new place. You cannot get a taste for it, the whole culture changes when the cruise ship docks, and you don't have nearly enough time. Cruising, as you will discover, is primarily about the ship, even on the port intensive cruises. And it is primarily about the society on the ship, the entertainment, the venues. Which does not even begin to address the dress code issue, on which I am closer to you than you think. Julie -- Julie ********** Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm |
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"Bob Thomas" wrote in message ... I think, in time, this sort of pretentiousness will become less popular as the younger age groups turn to cruising and the old school dies out. One can hope so anyway. Bob T. I know we're in the minority but if it's any consolation, I'm with you Bob. Rich |
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