Paris Metro zones, RER and the Visite pass

On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 14:27:53 +0100, "Runge11"
wrote:


"Hatunen" a écrit dans le message de
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Be warned, though. Making full use of Museum Pass will require
you to visit a lot of Monuments and Museums, and, frankly, there
are much more interesting things to do in Paris, including
sitting at a sidewalk cafe and watching the people walk by.

When my wife and I were in Paris ten years ago we bought the
Monumnts and Museums Pass, went to the Louvre our first day,
spent fiver hours there seeing maybe half of it, some of it at a
brisk walk, and then suffered museum burnout and never entered
another museum in the six days we were there. (Well we did go the
Museum of Man, though.)

My most memorable moment of our trip is not seeing Mona Lisa, but
standing on the top deck of the Eiffel Tower at night in a light
drizzle.

Tourists mostly sit at a cafe and watch people go by, in touristic places
where most of the people they watch are also tourists !
Great memories, eh...

While that can have its attractions, tourists being kind of fun
to watch, I didn't say to do it in tourist neighborhoods.

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"Martin Theodor Ludwig" wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:24:21 +0100, "tim \(not at home\)"
wrote:

As stated by the other posters, the day you go to Versailles, you must
buy a return ticket from Paris to Versailles and you pass is of no use.

This can't be right.

Even if Paris does not have the concept of issuing tickets from the Zonal
Boundary, the worst case requirement is for a ticket from the last station
stop in Zone 3 to Versailles. This must be less than buying one all the
way from Central Paris.

This is working only if you leave the train at the last stop in zone 3,
get out of the turnstiles, buy the ticket for the extra zone(s), and
enter the turnstile again.

I have to say that is ridiculous.

Not even the UK operates a policy like that

(On the way back it might work without that interruption, as both
turnstiles can be crossed with a valid ticket - or can't go out when
it has not gone in before?

Surely the operation of turnstiles is irrelevent.

It cannot be unknown for tickets not to work properly, so there must be an
alternative way out of the station with a valid ticket.

tim

"Magda" wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:06:20 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, "tim \(not at
home\)"
arranged some electrons, so they looked like
this:

...
... "Martin Theodor Ludwig" wrote in message
... ...
... On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:24:21 +0100, "tim \(not at home\)"
... wrote:
...
... As stated by the other posters, the day you go to Versailles, you
must
... buy a return ticket from Paris to Versailles and you pass is of no
use.
...
... This can't be right.
...
... Even if Paris does not have the concept of issuing tickets from the
Zonal
... Boundary, the worst case requirement is for a ticket from the last
station
... stop in Zone 3 to Versailles. This must be less than buying one all
the
... way from Central Paris.
...
... This is working only if you leave the train at the last stop in zone
3,
... get out of the turnstiles, buy the ticket for the extra zone(s), and
... enter the turnstile again.
...
... I have to say that is ridiculous.
...
... Not even the UK operates a policy like that
...
... (On the way back it might work without that interruption, as both
... turnstiles can be crossed with a valid ticket - or can't go out when
... it has not gone in before?
...
... Surely the operation of turnstiles is irrelevent.

If you try to leave the station on zone 4 with a ticket valid up to zone
3, the turnstile
won't open.

but if you buy a ticket from X3 to Z4 before you leave Paris you will have a
valid ticket.

tim

On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:52:09 +0100, "tim \(not at home\)"
wrote:

"Magda" wrote in message
.. .

If you try to leave the station on zone 4 with a ticket valid up to zone
3, the turnstile
won't open.

but if you buy a ticket from X3 to Z4 before you leave Paris you will have a
valid ticket.

How does that work on the RER? Doesn't the ticket have to have a
turnstile entrance stamp to be valid? Otherwise to travevl from
Zone 1 to Zone 6 youcould just have a ticket for Zone 1 and a
ticket for Zone 6. Right?

Unless, I presume, you are caught by the authorities in Zone 3
without a Zone 3 ticket. Does the RER have roving patrols like
the Berlin U-Bahn?


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On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 21:42:17 +0100, Magda
wrote:

On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:29:33 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, Hatunen
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

...
... How does that work on the RER? Doesn't the ticket have to have a
... turnstile entrance stamp to be valid?

Yes, but on the RER you have to put your ticket through the machine again when you are
leaving. If it's valid - not only the zones, but you are also within the limit of time (in
the metro your ticket is valid for 2 hours, don't know about the RER) - the turnstile lets
you pass.

Otherwise to travevl from
... Zone 1 to Zone 6 youcould just have a ticket for Zone 1 and a
... ticket for Zone 6. Right?
...
... Unless, I presume, you are caught by the authorities in Zone 3
... without a Zone 3 ticket. Does the RER have roving patrols like
... the Berlin U-Bahn?

Oh, yes. They hunt in packs, too. Seriously.

So also on the Berlin U-Bahn.

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"Hatunen" wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 21:42:17 +0100, Magda
wrote:

On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:29:33 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, Hatunen

arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

...
... How does that work on the RER? Doesn't the ticket have to have a
... turnstile entrance stamp to be valid?

Yes, but on the RER you have to put your ticket through the machine again
when you are
leaving. If it's valid - not only the zones, but you are also within the
limit of time (in
the metro your ticket is valid for 2 hours, don't know about the RER) -
the turnstile lets
you pass.

Otherwise to travevl from
... Zone 1 to Zone 6 youcould just have a ticket for Zone 1 and a
... ticket for Zone 6. Right?
...
... Unless, I presume, you are caught by the authorities in Zone 3
... without a Zone 3 ticket. Does the RER have roving patrols like
... the Berlin U-Bahn?

Oh, yes. They hunt in packs, too. Seriously.

So also on the Berlin U-Bahn.

I imagine this is the rule everywhere. One person on their own doesn't get
to check many tickets before all the black riders jump off at the next stop.

tim


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No you didn't but most tourists do...
Quite obvious, not a real problem but US and japanese tourists (chinese too,
now) do tend to congregate in what they consider as "safe" environments,
that is places where there can be a few english speaking people (= tourist
traps and other places).
German tourists are more "adventurous" but I still remember the expression
of one I took to Barbès...


"Hatunen" a écrit dans le message de
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On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 14:27:53 +0100, "Runge11"
wrote:


"Hatunen" a écrit dans le message de
. ..

Be warned, though. Making full use of Museum Pass will require
you to visit a lot of Monuments and Museums, and, frankly, there
are much more interesting things to do in Paris, including
sitting at a sidewalk cafe and watching the people walk by.

When my wife and I were in Paris ten years ago we bought the
Monumnts and Museums Pass, went to the Louvre our first day,
spent fiver hours there seeing maybe half of it, some of it at a
brisk walk, and then suffered museum burnout and never entered
another museum in the six days we were there. (Well we did go the
Museum of Man, though.)

My most memorable moment of our trip is not seeing Mona Lisa, but
standing on the top deck of the Eiffel Tower at night in a light
drizzle.

Tourists mostly sit at a cafe and watch people go by, in touristic places
where most of the people they watch are also tourists !
Great memories, eh...

While that can have its attractions, tourists being kind of fun
to watch, I didn't say to do it in tourist neighborhoods.

--
************* DAVE HATUNEN ) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:28:29 +0100, "Runge11"
wrote:

"Hatunen" a écrit dans le message de
.. .

While that can have its attractions, tourists being kind of fun
to watch, I didn't say to do it in tourist neighborhoods.

No you didn't but most tourists do...

So you're going to continue to harngue me as if I did say it?

Quite obvious, not a real problem but US and japanese tourists (chinese too,
now) do tend to congregate in what they consider as "safe" environments,
that is places where there can be a few english speaking people (= tourist
traps and other places).
German tourists are more "adventurous" but I still remember the expression
of one I took to Barbès...

I guess you are.

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************* DAVE HATUNEN ) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

No, nothing against you why ask such a question ?
Almost never see a north american tourist in Belleville, Daumesnil, Paris
13, puces de Montreuil...
Always see them at the Louvre, Champs Elysées, Boul'Mich, Paris 16...
That's the way it is and that's all.

"Hatunen" a écrit dans le message de
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On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:28:29 +0100, "Runge11"
wrote:

"Hatunen" a écrit dans le message de
. ..

While that can have its attractions, tourists being kind of fun
to watch, I didn't say to do it in tourist neighborhoods.

No you didn't but most tourists do...

So you're going to continue to harngue me as if I did say it?

Quite obvious, not a real problem but US and japanese tourists (chinese
too,
now) do tend to congregate in what they consider as "safe" environments,
that is places where there can be a few english speaking people (= tourist
traps and other places).
German tourists are more "adventurous" but I still remember the expression
of one I took to Barbès...

I guess you are.

--
************* DAVE HATUNEN ) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:24:21 +0100, tim \(not at home\) wroteÂ*:

"JuanElorza" wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:00:24 -0600, Steve Cain wrote :

do we then pay an
additional fee when we get off the RER train in Versailles (zone 4)?
Anyway of learning how this works?

Merci beaucoup!

So you may get on the RER trains with your pass but not pass back out
through the turnstiles at Versailles.
The solution is to buy the ticket or supplement to Versailles before
getting on the train at the RER station in Paris. Not a big deal...s

As stated by the other posters, the day you go to Versailles, you must
buy a return ticket from Paris to Versailles and you pass is of no use.

This can't be right.

It may appear unfair and nearly stupid but it is current rule. To be
valid, your ticket must be validated at the begining of your journey. You
cannot validate a Zone 3 - Zone 4 ticket in a Zone 1 station, and you
cannot pass through the exit turnstile with an unvalidated ticket.
So better buy a valid ticket.

Now there many interesting least known sites outside intra-muros Paris.
Some examples.
Atelier des arches d'Issy
Playing cards Museum
http://issy.com/index.php/fr/english/cultural_amenities

Chateau Malmaison in Rueil-Malmaison
http://www.chateau-malmaison.fr/

Chateau Monte-Cristo
http://www.marlyleroi-tourisme.fr/en...on/welcome.htm
http://www.chateau-monte-cristo.com/

Musée Maurice Denis
http://www.musee-mauricedenis.fr/
Musée Claude Debussy Saint Germain en Laye
http://www.ot-saintgermainenlaye.fr/...re/les-musees/
musee-claude-debussy/

Maison Van Gogh - Auvers sur Oise
http://vincent.vangogh.ifrance.com/Van%20Gogh%20-%20L'eglise%20d'Auvers%
20sur%20Oise.htm
http://www.auvers-sur-oise.com/conte...nt3436760.html

To be discovered too, use
http://www.tourisme.fr/recherche/e_index.htm to find
more details
Musée Départemental Stephane Mallarme (Vulaines-sur-Seine) - Maison-musée
Maurice Ravel (Montfort-l'Amaury) - Maison Madeleine Delbrêl (Ivry-sur-
Seine) - Maison historique de Léon et Jeanne Blum (Jouy-en-Josas) -
Maison Elsa Triolet - Aragon (Saint-Arnoult-en-Yvelines) - Musée Claude
Debussy (Saint-Germain-en-Laye) - Maison de Jean Monnet (Bazoches-sur-
Guyonne) - Musée-maison de Chateaubriand (Châtenay-Malabry) - Maison
Robert Doisneau (Gentilly) - Maison André Derain (Chambourcy) - Maison
d'Emile Zola (Médan) - Maison de Rouget de Lisle (Choisy-le-Roi) - Musée
Ivan Tourguéniev (Bougival) - Musée Henri Chapu (Le-Mée-sur-Seine) -
Musée Ianchelevici (Maisons-Laffitte) - Maison littéraire de Victor Hugo
(Bièvres) - Le Pôle, Espace Landowski (Boulogne-Billancourt) - Musée
international d'Art naïf (Vicq) - Musée de l'Hôtel-Dieu (Mantes-la-Jolie)
- Musée de la Batellerie (Conflans-Sainte-Honorine) - Musée du Château de
Malmaison (Rueil-Malmaison) - Musée Bossuet (Meaux) - Basilique royale de
Saint-Denis - Musée René Sordes (Suresnes) - La Galerie (Noisy-le-Sec) -
Musée municipal d'Art et d'Histoire de Colombes - Arboretum de Chèvreloup
(Rocquencourt) - Galerie d'art contemporain d'Auvers-sur-Oise - Musée du
Cheval de courses (Maisons-Laffitte) - Archives départementales des
Yvelines (Montigny-le-Bretonneux) - Musée du Costume militaire de 1870 Ã*
nos jours (Sainte-Mesme) - Musée d'Art et d'Histoire Louis Senlecq
(L'Isle-Adam) - Musée archéologique départemental du Val d'Oise (Guiry-en-
Vexin) - Ecomusée de Boigneville - Musée Roybet-Fould (Courbevoie) -
Musée d'Art et d'Histoire de Saint-Denis - Centre d'art Jacques-Henri
Lartigue (L'Isle-Adam) - Musée des Automates (Neuilly sur Seine) -
Collection de l'Aventure Automobile Ã* Poissy (Carrières-sous-Poissy) -
Musée Tavet Delacour (Pontoise) - Maison populaire de Montreuil - Musée
Pierre Cardin (Saint-Ouen) - Musée de la Grenouillère (Croissy-sur-Seine)
- L'Osmothèque (Versailles) - Musée de la Renaissance (Ecouen) - Musée
municipal Robert Dubois-Corneau (Brunoy)