Hiati

Do you think you're going to get a doctor to talk to you when you have NO
insurance?


"Kurt Ullman" wrote in message
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"Tom K" wrote:

"Kurt Ullman" wrote in message
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Yeah the government-run program (as I mentioned the employees plan is
NOT government run) is going bankrupt, has so many holes in coverage
that many people buy supplemental insurance from private insurance
programs such as AARP, and pays so little that more and more physicians
are refusing to treat Mcare patients. Whats not to love?


What's not to love? Not having ANY medical insurance because you're not
working, can't afford it, etc.

A govt. run program with a few holes sure beats having nothing.

Unless of course you can't get a doc to talk to you. This is an
ongoing problem with MCare where for the last 30+ years which has gotten
worse.
The idea that a govenment run program is suddenly gonna bring up
Healthcare Nirvana is not supported by experience in the US (or for that
manner the rest of the world).
Even the CBO said that both plans before Congress would leave a
minimum of 24 and 18 million people w/o healthcare. And that was,
according to my cursory reading of the report, assuming that the
increased coverage requirements and taxes on drugs, devices, etc., was
not passed on to consumers. There is a whole line of studies showing
that for every y dollars of new required coverage,x people lose their
insurance. Congress was attempting to repeal laws of economics.

--
To find that place where the rats don't race
and the phones don't ring at all.
If once, you've slept on an island.
Scott Kirby "If once you've slept on an island"

Oh boy, there are so many untruths here I don't even know where to start.
Tea party anyone? Sheesh!


"Jean O'Boyle" wrote in message
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"Barbara Brown" wrote in message
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I like the fact that we are providing aid when it comes from the US
citizens as donations. I don't like the heat we are getting because aid is
not getting there fast enough or it's not organized. We weren't even first
on the ground, the Chinese were. Where is Haiti's government? Haven't seen
anything about them on the news. They should all be thrown out of office
and let some other country take over (but not us).

I also don't think our government should spend so much of OUR money
helping them when they can't even agree on a health care bill for us. I
don't understand why the Republicans don't want health care? Are they all
rich and don't need it? Do they all have jobs?

Barbara, it is not that the Republicans don't want health care, it is that
they have not even been included in putting together a health care bill.
Not ONE was included in putting it together. Republicans and Independents
want health care but without the sweet deals being made behind closed
doors and the hurry to ram it down our throats so that Obama can make
history. No one even really even knows what is in the health care bill.
Between the House and Senate, there are over 2000 pages!
Obama, who repeatedly promised change with complete transparency is
meeting behind closed doors with Pelosi and Reid making decisions and
buying
votes to pass a health care bill that even some Democrat congressmen are
now
saying that they do not want.

a) behind closed door meetings with unions Obama exempted the unions from
paying taxes on their Cadillac Insurance Plans until 2017 and then they
will
pay a lower rate of tax than the rest of us...The unions supported him
very
strongly in his election to office and this is the way he gets their
support for the health care bill.
(b) They gave Democrat senator from Louisiana $300 million dollars for her
state for her vote for the health care bill the
way it is..
(c) bought the one vote needed for the bill to pass to committee by
promising him that his state would never have to pay Medicaid while all
the rest of the states would continue paying it.(Democrat Senator Nelson
of Nebraska)
(d) promising Democrat Senator Nelson from Florida that his constituents
would be able to receive Medicare Advantage while the rest of the country
will receive regular Medicare.
(e) promising in eight of his election speeches that C-Span would publicly
show all congressional procedures and health care discussions. Instead
they
are being held secretly behind closed doors.

We have 10.1 %unemployment...17% if you include the part time (who really
want full time) and those who have just plain given up....Our next door
neighbor told us that he lost his job New Year Eve Day because of
downsizing. He is the second person we know to lose a job last year.

2.Our national debt has been quadrupled by the Obama's administration. His
Tarp, stimulus package, bailing out banks and auto companies and
outrageous
spending has mortgaged our children and grandchildren and has not helped
the
economy. The taxes on our retirement pensions have increased this month.

3.Small businesses are closing their doors...On the main street to get to
our home, there have been five that have closed...a dry cleaning business,
a
small garage, shoe store and two restaurants in the past two months. Our
mechanic, who
owns his own garage, told my husband last week that he had to let two of
his
mechanics go because he could not afford to keep them. Obama's stimulus
package has done nothing to help small business.

Obama is charismatic, likeable and quite a speech maker with his handy
teleprompter...but watch out, the people
are slowly seeing through it all. New Jersey and Virginia had state
elections a few weeks ago...despite Obama
going 4-5 times to support his candidates there, both states voted in
Republicans. In Massachusetts, which has
three times as many Democrats as Republicans, and is one of the most solid
Democrat states in the country, the
senate seat once held by Ted Kennedy,(D) for 44 years....the people let
Obama and congress know how unhappy they are with their policies and voted
in Scott Brown, a Republican. Perhaps now we will hopefully see a
bi-partisan health care bill put together that we can understand and will
benefit everyone and not be half as costly as the one they have now that
includes sweet deals and pay-offs.

--Jean

On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:13:23 -0500, Briggsie wrote:
Oh boy, there are so many untruths here I don't even know where to start.
Tea party anyone? Sheesh!

time for some research:
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/twe...about-hr-3200/

26 lies, only 4 truths

On 1/22/2010 6:29 PM, AZ Nomad wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:13:23 -0500, wrote:
Oh boy, there are so many untruths here I don't even know where to start.
Tea party anyone? Sheesh!

time for some research:
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/twe...about-hr-3200/

26 lies, only 4 truths

Please tell me exactly which part of Jean's post was untrue. Your link
at factcheck addressed absolutely none of her points. Obama's back-door
deals, appointed czars to slip under the radar, you name it. It's
sleezy politics.

Marsha

MAS wrote:
On 1/22/2010 6:29 PM, AZ Nomad wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:13:23 -0500, wrote:
Oh boy, there are so many untruths here I don't even know where to start.
Tea party anyone? Sheesh!

time for some research:
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/twe...about-hr-3200/

26 lies, only 4 truths

Please tell me exactly which part of Jean's post was untrue. Your link
at factcheck addressed absolutely none of her points. Obama's back-door
deals, appointed czars to slip under the radar, you name it. It's
sleezy politics.

Marsha

God, you Americans really do need to join the rest of the world. Is the
U.S. the only non-communist country in the West? Judging from the whole
paranoia (not just in this NG) over your proposed healthcare system,
you'd think so. Most Western countries have some form of universal
healthcare. That's not communism, it's enlightened, decent, dignified,
self-interest really. Live in the U.S. only if you are RICH. Otherwise
go to hell if you are unlucky enough to be sick. Your medical insurance
companies sure have you all tied around their little fingers.

--
Wilf

AMEN!

"Wilf" wrote in message
o.uk...
MAS wrote:
On 1/22/2010 6:29 PM, AZ Nomad wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:13:23 -0500,
wrote:
Oh boy, there are so many untruths here I don't even know where to
start.
Tea party anyone? Sheesh!

time for some research:
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/twe...about-hr-3200/

26 lies, only 4 truths

Please tell me exactly which part of Jean's post was untrue. Your link
at factcheck addressed absolutely none of her points. Obama's back-door
deals, appointed czars to slip under the radar, you name it. It's
sleezy politics.

Marsha

God, you Americans really do need to join the rest of the world. Is the
U.S. the only non-communist country in the West? Judging from the whole
paranoia (not just in this NG) over your proposed healthcare system, you'd
think so. Most Western countries have some form of universal healthcare.
That's not communism, it's enlightened, decent, dignified, self-interest
really. Live in the U.S. only if you are RICH. Otherwise go to hell if
you are unlucky enough to be sick. Your medical insurance companies sure
have you all tied around their little fingers.

--
Wilf

On 1/22/2010 8:36 PM, Wilf wrote:

God, you Americans really do need to join the rest of the world. Is the
U.S. the only non-communist country in the West? Judging from the whole
paranoia (not just in this NG) over your proposed healthcare system,
you'd think so. Most Western countries have some form of universal
healthcare. That's not communism, it's enlightened, decent, dignified,
self-interest really. Live in the U.S. only if you are RICH. Otherwise
go to hell if you are unlucky enough to be sick. Your medical insurance
companies sure have you all tied around their little fingers.

I thought it was socialism? At least that's what all of the opponents
keep telling us it is.

Bill

On 1/22/2010 6:13 PM, Briggsie wrote:
Oh boy, there are so many untruths here I don't even know where to
start. Tea party anyone? Sheesh!

At least she didn't bring up the long-since-debunked "death panels"
which I still heard a Republican Senator mentioning this week.

And she also didn't say she did not want the government taking over her
Medicare (yes, it's not perfect but wasn't fixing it supposed to be part
of the plan)?

Bill

"Wilf" wrote in message
o.uk...

God, you Americans really do need to join the rest of the world. Is the
U.S. the only non-communist country in the West? Judging from the whole
paranoia (not just in this NG) over your proposed healthcare system, you'd
think so. Most Western countries have some form of universal healthcare.
That's not communism, it's enlightened, decent, dignified, self-interest
really. Live in the U.S. only if you are RICH. Otherwise go to hell if
you are unlucky enough to be sick. Your medical insurance companies sure
have you all tied around their little fingers.

--
Wilf

Jean just doesn't see it. But those of us out of work do. I love her
dearly, but.... she just doesn't grasp the magnitude of the problem.

You're exactly right. We are SO behind the rest of the civilized world.
And those Republicans in this country who are anti the universal healthcare
have created such a paranoia.... it's mind boggling. And they're doing it
with a 40% minority in the Senate after the House already passed their
version of the Bill.

It's like they want to keep our country in the dark ages.

--Tom

On 1/22/2010 7:16 PM, MAS wrote:

Please tell me exactly which part of Jean's post was untrue. Your link
at factcheck addressed absolutely none of her points. Obama's back-door
deals, appointed czars to slip under the radar, you name it. It's sleezy
politics.

Marsha

How about "No one even really even knows what is in the health care
bill". Although I will admit that given that there are still untruths
like "death panels" being spread, maybe you are correct.

And it got all of those awful deals added because none of the
Republicans agreed to support it in any way. Had the Democrats not had
to rely on every last Democratic vote, they could have told the people
to they gave those sweetheart deals to get lost. Some commentator (maybe
Dave Ross) suggested that if some Republicans really wanted to send a
message, they would agree to support the original bill so that the pork
could be removed.

Bill