"Report confirms terror dry run"

Report confirms terror dry run
By Audrey Hudson
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published May 30, 2007


A newly released inspector general report backs eyewitness
accounts of suspicious behavior by 13 Middle Eastern men on a
Northwest Airlines flight in 2004 and reveals several missteps by
government officials, including failure to file an incident report
until a month after the matter became public.
According to the Homeland Security report, the "suspicious
passengers," 12 Syrians and their Lebanese-born promoter, were
traveling on Flight 327 from Detroit to Los Angeles on expired visas.
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services extended the visas one week
after the June 29, 2004, incident.
The report also says that a background check in the FBI's National
Crime Information Center database, which was performed June 18 as part
of a visa-extension application, produced "positive hits" for past
criminal records or suspicious behavior for eight of the 12 Syrians,
who were traveling in the U.S. as a musical group.
In addition, the band's promoter was listed in a separate FBI
database on case investigations for acting suspiciously aboard a
flight months earlier. He was detained a third time in September on a
return trip to the U.S. from Istanbul, the details of which were
redacted.
The inspector general criticized the Homeland Security officials
for not reporting the incident to the Homeland Security Operations
Center (HSOC), which serves as the nation's nerve center for
information sharing and domestic incident management.
The report comes three years after the incident, which was not
officially acknowledged until a month later, after The Washington
Times reported passenger and marshal complaints that the incident
resembled a dry run for a terrorist attack. After reviewing the
report, air marshals say it confirms their earlier suspicions.

Official denial
An air marshal who told The Times that he has been involved
personally in terror probes that were ignored by federal security
managers, called such behavior typical.
"Agency management was not only covering up numerous probes and
dry-run encounters from Congress and other federal law-enforcement
agencies, it was also hiding these incidents from their own flying air
marshals," said P. Jeffrey Black, an air marshal stationed in Las
Vegas.
Homeland Security officials initially denied the complaints and
blamed passengers who reported the incident to the press as behaving
hysterically. However, the inspector general report shows that air
marshals had the group of men under surveillance before they boarded
the plane.
"Prior to boarding, one of the air marshals noticed what he later
characterized as 'unusual behavior' by about six Middle Eastern males,
who arrived at the gate together, then separated, and acted as if they
did not know each other," the report said.
"According to the air marshals, these men were sweaty, appeared
nervous and arrived after the boarding announcement. The air marshals
made eye contact with one another to ensure they were aware of this
behavior," the report said.
The inspector general's two-year investigation was originally
released in April 2006 but was then wholly redacted except for two
sentences. The re-release stems from a Freedom of Information request
by The Times on April 25, 2006, which was answered Friday.
Portions of the report remain redacted. However, current and
former air marshals who reviewed a copy provided by The Times say the
activities of the men details a dry run for a terrorist attack.
"This report is evidence of Homeland Security executives
attempting to downplay and cover up an unmistakable dry run that
forced flight attendants to reveal the air marshals and compel the
pilots to open the flight deck door," said Robert MacLean, a former
air marshal who was fired last year for revealing that the service
planned to cut back on protection for long-distance flights to save
money.

Suspicious behavior
According to the report, Flight 327 was "delayed for five minutes
because one of the 13 suspicious passengers, who appeared not to
understand English and walked with a limp, was seated in the emergency
exit row. The flight attendant determined he was unable to operate the
emergency procedures and delayed the flight while having him exchange
seats."
"On the flight, 13 Middle Eastern men behaved in a suspicious
manner that aroused the attention and concern of the flight
attendants, passengers, air marshals and pilots," the report said. The
men "walked in the aisle, appearing to count passengers," and "several
men spent excessive time in the lavatories."
"One man rushed to the front of the plane appearing to head for
the cockpit. At the last moment, he veered into the first-class
lavatory, remaining in it for about 20 minutes," according to the
report. One man carried a McDonald's bag into the lavatory, and
"another man, upon returning from the lavatory, reeked strongly of
what smelled like toilet bowl chemicals."
"Some men hand signaled each other. The passenger who entered the
lavatory with the McDonald's bag made a thumbs-up signal to another
man upon returning from the lavatory. Another man made a slashing
motion across his throat, appearing to say 'No.' "
As the flight descended into Los Angeles, the report said, "four
of the suspicious individuals stood up and made their way to the back
of the plane," where "the individuals used the rear lavatory, and one
of the men was doing stretching exercises/knee bends by the exit
door."

Warning signs
The men were briefly detained, but only two were questioned.
"The Federal Air Marshal supervisor examined the visas, but did
not notice the visas had expired on June 10, 2004," the report said.
One of the air marshals assigned to the flight noticed the expiration,
but "erroneously believed he was not legally entitled" to run a
background check.
According to the report, the marshal's "primary concern, at that
time, was not whether the visas expired, but to copy the visa pages so
that Customs and Border Patrol could later run a database check on
these individuals."
The FBI issued a warning in April 2004, just two months before the
flight, that terrorists may be trying to enter the country under
cultural or sports visas, the same visas carried by the 12 Syrian men
who claimed to be musicians.
Robert Jamison, deputy administrator for the Transportation
Security Administration (TSA), defended the agency's action in its
official response to the IG audit, which is included in the report.
"The reported suspicious activity was determined to be unfounded,
and not a terrorist threat, and therefore did not merit an HSOC
referral," he said.
The inspector general disagreed, and said TSA's actions once the
matter became public proved that the agency thought otherwise.
The "HSOC clearly signaled a referral was merited by logging the
Flight 327 matter into its database on July 26, 2004, after a July 22,
2004, Washington Times article, and an inquiry from the White House
Homeland Security Council."
Mr. Jamison said, "Law-enforcement assessments made by the FAMS
and FBI on June 29, 2004, were appropriate."
However, the inspector general said the FBI did not begin a full
investigation until July 19, and air marshal officials were assigned
to assist the FBI between July 22 and Aug. 4.
"It's unfortunate that the suspects were released from custody,
but it's not surprising," said Jeffrey Denning, a former air marshal
who quit the agency last month.
"The overt behavior of the 13 men on Flight 327 was indicative of
a terrorist probe. It appeared rehearsed, coordinated and planned. It
was menacing activity," Mr. Denning said.

Past behavior
A background check conducted weeks later in the FBI's Automated
Case Support (ACS) system revealed that the promoter was involved in a
similar probe on Jan. 28, 2004.
The unnamed promoter "was one of eight passengers acting
suspiciously aboard Frontier Airlines Flight 577 from Houston through
Denver, to San Francisco," the report said.
"Flight attendants reported all eight passengers kept trying to
switch seats while boarding and during the flight, made repeated
service requests in what the attendants described as an effort to keep
the flight crew occupied. One took a cell phone into the front
lavatory, remained in the lavatory for over 15 minutes, but did not
appear to have the phone when leaving the lavatory," the report said.
The incident followed a series of breaches of airline security in
December and January, when the FBI issued a memo warning that suicide
terrorists were plotting to hijack trans-Atlantic planes by smuggling
"ready-to-build" bomb kits past airport security to be assembled in
aircraft bathrooms.
"Terrorist operatives are more confident that they can
successfully smuggle [bomb] components, rather than fully assembled
bombs past airport security," the memo said. "It is conceivable
terrorists may plan to use this private area to construct [bombs] in
order to facilitate access to the cockpit, or position themselves in
front of the passengers."
Electronic devices, such as cell phones, can be used to detonate
explosives.

'Defenseless' flights
"What is disturbing to us as pilots is that there are now a number
of incidents like this taking place across our industry and the vast
majority of our flights are still defenseless," said Captain David
Mackett, president of the Airline Pilots Security Alliance.
"If I were a member of Congress, I'd be asking some hard questions
about why such a small percentage of flights have armed pilots or air
marshals aboard, while the TSA whistles past the graveyard, asking us
to believe none of this is related to terrorism," Mr. Mackett said.
The audit was initiated "because of media reports concerning
actions taken by departmental personnel in response to events on
Flight 327" and "to determine the various systems for recording and
reporting suspicious passengers and activities."
The report sought to "determine the specific circumstances
relating to Flight 327, including the department's handling of the
suspicious passengers after the plane landed."
The inspector general made three recommendations, with part of one
being redacted.
One recommended that the marshal service "develop or acquire
technology to permit effective and timely in-flight communication," a
capability that air marshals say they still lack despite a $15 million
congressional appropriation to develop the technology.
"When handling suspicious passengers and activities aboard
commercial aircraft," the department was directed to establish
guidelines to clarify agency roles and responsibilities and share
information. The inspector general called the follow-up action
"inadequate."
The final recommendation was to develop and execute a memorandum
of understanding with the FBI, which the Federal Air Marshal Service
said was unneeded.

Mike wrote:
Report confirms terror dry run

No, it doessn't.

By Audrey Hudson
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published May 30, 2007


A newly released inspector general report backs eyewitness
accounts of suspicious behavior by 13 Middle Eastern men on a
Northwest Airlines flight in 2004 and reveals several missteps by
government officials, including failure to file an incident report
until a month after the matter became public.
According to the Homeland Security report, the "suspicious
passengers," 12 Syrians and their Lebanese-born promoter, were
traveling on Flight 327 from Detroit to Los Angeles on expired visas.
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services extended the visas one week
after the June 29, 2004, incident.
The report also says that a background check in the FBI's National
Crime Information Center database, which was performed June 18 as part
of a visa-extension application

It doesn't matter if the visas were expired, as applying for an
extension automatically qualifies you to remain until a decision on the
application is made. The incident occured on June 24, 2004. The info
noted states that a background check was completed on June 18, and a
week after the Jan 24 incident, the visa extensions were approved.

, produced "positive hits" for past
criminal records or suspicious behavior for eight of the 12 Syrians,
who were traveling in the U.S. as a musical group.

If there were "real" problems with the information found, then why did
they extend the visas?


In addition, the band's promoter was listed in a separate FBI
database on case investigations for acting suspiciously aboard a
flight months earlier. He was detained a third time in September on a
return trip to the U.S. from Istanbul, the details of which were
redacted.

I see, so you don't know what those actions were, only that someone
thought they were suspicious. Again, the visa wasn't canceled, it was
EXTENDED.


"Prior to boarding, one of the air marshals noticed what he later
characterized as 'unusual behavior' by about six Middle Eastern males,
who arrived at the gate together, then separated, and acted as if they
did not know each other," the report said.
"According to the air marshals, these men were sweaty, appeared
nervous and arrived after the boarding announcement. The air marshals
made eye contact with one another to ensure they were aware of this
behavior," the report said.

Yes, they were suspicious, but took the FAM's no action before the
flight. Sure, if you really think they are a danger, let them board.

Suspicious behavior
According to the report, Flight 327 was "delayed for five minutes
because one of the 13 suspicious passengers, who appeared not to
understand English and walked with a limp, was seated in the emergency
exit row. The flight attendant determined he was unable to operate the
emergency procedures and delayed the flight while having him exchange
seats."

OK. He didn't understand English, so apparently might not have been
aware of the exit row requirements. There in no mention here of it NOT
being his seat, so I assume he was assigned the seat.

"several
men spent excessive time in the lavatories."

Maybe the American food made them sick or gave them Bush's revenge.

"One man rushed to the front of the plane appearing to head for
the cockpit. At the last moment, he veered into the first-class
lavatory, remaining in it for about 20 minutes," according to the
report.

Wow, someone rushed to the lavatory. What is this crap about "appearing
to head for the cockpit"? If his destination was the lav next to the
cockpit, why is comment that he was "appearing to head for the cockpit"?
That is

One man carried a McDonald's bag into the lavatory, and
"another man, upon returning from the lavatory, reeked strongly of
what smelled like toilet bowl chemicals."

Perhaps they wanted to clean use a clean lav.

As the flight descended into Los Angeles, the report said, "four
of the suspicious individuals stood up and made their way to the back
of the plane," where "the individuals used the rear lavatory, and one
of the men was doing stretching exercises/knee bends by the exit
door."

If there were a group of 4 white college students, no one would notice.


Warning signs
The men were briefly detained, but only two were questioned.
"The Federal Air Marshal supervisor examined the visas, but did
not notice the visas had expired on June 10, 2004," the report said.
One of the air marshals assigned to the flight noticed the expiration,
but "erroneously believed he was not legally entitled" to run a
background check.


Did it REALLY metter? They had applied for extensions. As long as they
applied before the expiration date, the visas are still valid, until a
decision on the extension is made. Since the extensions were granted
shortly afterward, it is assumed they applied before the expiration
date. Why do they bring up this visa expiration issue multiple times in
the article? It is not relevant. They were legally in the country, and
legally applied for an extension. Not only that, but after reviewing
the informatation about them, the extensions were granted.

According to the report, the marshal's "primary concern, at that
time, was not whether the visas expired, but to copy the visa pages so
that Customs and Border Patrol could later run a database check on
these individuals."
The FBI issued a warning in April 2004, just two months before the
flight, that terrorists may be trying to enter the country under
cultural or sports visas, the same visas carried by the 12 Syrian men
who claimed to be musicians.

They not only claimed to be musicians, they were musicians.

Robert Jamison, deputy administrator for the Transportation
Security Administration (TSA), defended the agency's action in its
official response to the IG audit, which is included in the report.
"The reported suspicious activity was determined to be unfounded,
and not a terrorist threat, and therefore did not merit an HSOC
referral," he said.

I suspect this is a true statement^^^


The inspector general disagreed, and said TSA's actions once the
matter became public proved that the agency thought otherwise.
The "HSOC clearly signaled a referral was merited by logging the
Flight 327 matter into its database on July 26, 2004, after a July 22,
2004, Washington Times article, and an inquiry from the White House
Homeland Security Council."

Yes, after Bush got involved, it became an issue. Bush has an agenda in
this. If the American public were so much in fear, he wouldn't have the
power he does.

Mr. Jamison said, "Law-enforcement assessments made by the FAMS
and FBI on June 29, 2004, were appropriate."
However, the inspector general said the FBI did not begin a full
investigation until July 19, and air marshal officials were assigned
to assist the FBI between July 22 and Aug. 4.
"It's unfortunate that the suspects were released from custody,
but it's not surprising," said Jeffrey Denning, a former air marshal
who quit the agency last month.
"The overt behavior of the 13 men on Flight 327 was indicative of
a terrorist probe. It appeared rehearsed, coordinated and planned. It
was menacing activity," Mr. Denning said.

Or it could have been a bunch of musicians acting normally, but
perceived as terrorist because of the color of their skin.

One took a cell phone into the front
lavatory, remained in the lavatory for over 15 minutes, but did not
appear to have the phone when leaving the lavatory," the report said.

Perhaps he put it in his pocket?

On Wed, 30 May 2007 23:16:47 -0700, NotABushSupporter
wrote:

Mike wrote:
Report confirms terror dry run

No, it doessn't.

By Audrey Hudson
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published May 30, 2007


A newly released inspector general report backs eyewitness
accounts of suspicious behavior by 13 Middle Eastern men on a
Northwest Airlines flight in 2004 and reveals several missteps by
government officials, including failure to file an incident report
until a month after the matter became public.
According to the Homeland Security report, the "suspicious
passengers," 12 Syrians and their Lebanese-born promoter, were
traveling on Flight 327 from Detroit to Los Angeles on expired visas.
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services extended the visas one week
after the June 29, 2004, incident.
The report also says that a background check in the FBI's National
Crime Information Center database, which was performed June 18 as part
of a visa-extension application

It doesn't matter if the visas were expired, as applying for an
extension automatically qualifies you to remain until a decision on the
application is made. The incident occured on June 24, 2004. The info
noted states that a background check was completed on June 18, and a
week after the Jan 24 incident, the visa extensions were approved.

, produced "positive hits" for past
criminal records or suspicious behavior for eight of the 12 Syrians,
who were traveling in the U.S. as a musical group.

If there were "real" problems with the information found, then why did
they extend the visas?


In addition, the band's promoter was listed in a separate FBI
database on case investigations for acting suspiciously aboard a
flight months earlier. He was detained a third time in September on a
return trip to the U.S. from Istanbul, the details of which were
redacted.

I see, so you don't know what those actions were, only that someone
thought they were suspicious. Again, the visa wasn't canceled, it was
EXTENDED.


"Prior to boarding, one of the air marshals noticed what he later
characterized as 'unusual behavior' by about six Middle Eastern males,
who arrived at the gate together, then separated, and acted as if they
did not know each other," the report said.
"According to the air marshals, these men were sweaty, appeared
nervous and arrived after the boarding announcement. The air marshals
made eye contact with one another to ensure they were aware of this
behavior," the report said.

Yes, they were suspicious, but took the FAM's no action before the
flight. Sure, if you really think they are a danger, let them board.

Suspicious behavior
According to the report, Flight 327 was "delayed for five minutes
because one of the 13 suspicious passengers, who appeared not to
understand English and walked with a limp, was seated in the emergency
exit row. The flight attendant determined he was unable to operate the
emergency procedures and delayed the flight while having him exchange
seats."

OK. He didn't understand English, so apparently might not have been
aware of the exit row requirements. There in no mention here of it NOT
being his seat, so I assume he was assigned the seat.

"several
men spent excessive time in the lavatories."

Maybe the American food made them sick or gave them Bush's revenge.

"One man rushed to the front of the plane appearing to head for
the cockpit. At the last moment, he veered into the first-class
lavatory, remaining in it for about 20 minutes," according to the
report.

Wow, someone rushed to the lavatory. What is this crap about "appearing
to head for the cockpit"? If his destination was the lav next to the
cockpit, why is comment that he was "appearing to head for the cockpit"?
That is

One man carried a McDonald's bag into the lavatory, and
"another man, upon returning from the lavatory, reeked strongly of
what smelled like toilet bowl chemicals."

Perhaps they wanted to clean use a clean lav.

As the flight descended into Los Angeles, the report said, "four
of the suspicious individuals stood up and made their way to the back
of the plane," where "the individuals used the rear lavatory, and one
of the men was doing stretching exercises/knee bends by the exit
door."

If there were a group of 4 white college students, no one would notice.


Warning signs
The men were briefly detained, but only two were questioned.
"The Federal Air Marshal supervisor examined the visas, but did
not notice the visas had expired on June 10, 2004," the report said.
One of the air marshals assigned to the flight noticed the expiration,
but "erroneously believed he was not legally entitled" to run a
background check.


Did it REALLY metter? They had applied for extensions. As long as they
applied before the expiration date, the visas are still valid, until a
decision on the extension is made. Since the extensions were granted
shortly afterward, it is assumed they applied before the expiration
date. Why do they bring up this visa expiration issue multiple times in
the article? It is not relevant. They were legally in the country, and
legally applied for an extension. Not only that, but after reviewing
the informatation about them, the extensions were granted.

According to the report, the marshal's "primary concern, at that
time, was not whether the visas expired, but to copy the visa pages so
that Customs and Border Patrol could later run a database check on
these individuals."
The FBI issued a warning in April 2004, just two months before the
flight, that terrorists may be trying to enter the country under
cultural or sports visas, the same visas carried by the 12 Syrian men
who claimed to be musicians.

They not only claimed to be musicians, they were musicians.

Robert Jamison, deputy administrator for the Transportation
Security Administration (TSA), defended the agency's action in its
official response to the IG audit, which is included in the report.
"The reported suspicious activity was determined to be unfounded,
and not a terrorist threat, and therefore did not merit an HSOC
referral," he said.

I suspect this is a true statement^^^


The inspector general disagreed, and said TSA's actions once the
matter became public proved that the agency thought otherwise.
The "HSOC clearly signaled a referral was merited by logging the
Flight 327 matter into its database on July 26, 2004, after a July 22,
2004, Washington Times article, and an inquiry from the White House
Homeland Security Council."

Yes, after Bush got involved, it became an issue. Bush has an agenda in
this. If the American public were so much in fear, he wouldn't have the
power he does.

Mr. Jamison said, "Law-enforcement assessments made by the FAMS
and FBI on June 29, 2004, were appropriate."
However, the inspector general said the FBI did not begin a full
investigation until July 19, and air marshal officials were assigned
to assist the FBI between July 22 and Aug. 4.
"It's unfortunate that the suspects were released from custody,
but it's not surprising," said Jeffrey Denning, a former air marshal
who quit the agency last month.
"The overt behavior of the 13 men on Flight 327 was indicative of
a terrorist probe. It appeared rehearsed, coordinated and planned. It
was menacing activity," Mr. Denning said.

Or it could have been a bunch of musicians acting normally, but
perceived as terrorist because of the color of their skin.

One took a cell phone into the front
lavatory, remained in the lavatory for over 15 minutes, but did not
appear to have the phone when leaving the lavatory," the report said.

Perhaps he put it in his pocket?

— November 1979: *Muslim extremists* (Iranian variety) seized the U.S.
embassy in Iran and held 52 American hostages for 444 days,

— 1982: *Muslim extremists* (mostly Hezbollah) began a nearly
decade-long habit of taking Americans and Europeans hostage in
Lebanon, killing William Buckley and holding Terry Anderson for 6 1/2
years.

— April 1983: *Muslim extremists* (Islamic Jihad or possibly
Hezbollah) bombed the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, killing 16 Americans.

— October 1983: *Muslim extremists* (Hezbollah) blew up the U.S.
Marine barracks at the Beirut airport, killing 241 Marines.

— December 1983: *Muslim extremists* (al-Dawa) blew up the U.S.
Embassy in Kuwait, killing five and injuring 80.

— September 1984: *Muslim extremists* (Hezbollah) exploded a truck
bomb at the U.S. Embassy annex in Beirut, killing 24 people, including
two U.S. servicemen.

— December 1984: *Muslim extremists* (probably Hezbollah) hijacked a
Kuwait Airways airplane, landed in Iran and demanded the release of
the 17 members of al-Dawa who had been arrested for the bombing of the
U.S. Embassy in Kuwait, killing two Americans before the siege was
over.

— June 14, 1985: *Muslim extremists* (Hezbollah) hijacked TWA Flight
847 out of Athens, diverting it to Beirut, taking the passengers
hostage in return for the release of the Kuwait 17 as well as another
700 prisoners held by Israel. When their demands were not met, the
Muslims shot U.S. Navy diver Robert Dean Stethem and dumped his body
on the tarmac.

— October 1985: *Muslim extremists* (Palestine Liberation Front backed
by Libya) seized an Italian cruise ship, the Achille Lauro, killing
69-year-old American Leon Klinghoffer by shooting him and then tossing
his body overboard.

— December 1985: *Muslim extremists* (backed by Libya) bombed airports
in Rome and Vienna, killing 20 people, including five Americans.

— April 1986: *Muslim extremists* (backed by Libya) bombed a
discotheque frequented by U.S. servicemen in West Berlin, injuring
hundreds and killing two, including a U.S. soldier.

— December 1988: *Muslim extremists* (backed by Libya) bombed Pan Am
Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, killing all 259 on board and 11
on the ground.

(Then came an amazing, historic pause in *Muslim extremists*'
relentless war on America after Ronald Reagan won the Cold War by
doing the opposite of everything recommended by Democrats, depriving
Islamic terrorists of their Soviet sponsors. This confuses liberals
because they don't understand the concept of terror sponsors, whether
it's the Soviet Union or Iraq.)

— February 1993: *Muslim extremists* (al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya, possibly
with involvement of friendly rival al-Qaida) set off a bomb in the
basement of the World Trade Center, killing six and wounding more than
1,000.

— Spring 1993: *Muslim extremists* (al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya, the
Sudanese Islamic Front and at least one member of Hamas) plot to blow
up the Lincoln and Holland tunnels, the U.N. complex, and the FBI's
lower Manhattan headquarters.

— November 1995: *Muslim extremists* (possibly Iranian "Party of God")
explode a car bomb at U.S. military headquarters in Saudi Arabia,
killing five U.S. military servicemen.

— June 1996: *Muslim extremists* (13 Saudis and a Lebanese member of
Hezbollah, probably with involvement of al-Qaida) explode a truck bomb
outside the Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American
servicemen and injuring hundreds.

— August 1998: *Muslim extremists* (al-Qaida) explode truck bombs at
U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, killing 224 and injuring
thousands.

— October 2000: *Muslim extremists* (al-Qaida) blow up the U.S. Navy
destroyer USS Cole, killing 17 U.S. sailors.

— Sept. 11, 2001: *Muslim extremists* (al-Qaida) hijack commercial
aircraft and fly planes into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and
a field in Pennsylvania, killing nearly 3,000 Americans.

R Brickston wrote:

— November 1979: *Muslim extremists* (Iranian variety) seized the U.S.
embassy in Iran and held 52 American hostages for 444 days,

You forgot -
-- Dec 7, 1941 The Japanese, in a sneak attack, bombed Pearl Harbor
Does the mean I should treat the Japanese with any less respect than I
do someone from Iran?

Ok, what does all of this have to do with the 2004 incident?


1. The visas were extended AFTER investigation
2. There is no report of the visas being revoked after the reported
incident.
3. The original investigation showed so little evidence of terrorist
activity, the lower echelons didn't reported any further.
4. It was only after Bush's team heard about it that it was decided
there might be some terrorist activity.
5. The article mentions that one person was previously investigated by
the FBI for similar suspicious behavior. However, there was NO revoking
of his visa at that time, and he wasn't put on the "No Fly" list. Of
course, I would bet that you think everyone investigated by the FBI is
guilty of some federal crime.

6. What kind of suspicious behavior is it that someone would "rush
toward the cockpit" and then "veer to the lavoratory"? In my many years
of flying, I have probably rushed to the bathroom next to the cockpit on
multiple occasions. From the report, it looked like someone saw an Arab
looking man hurry up the aisle toward the bathroom and let their mind
wonder.

On Thu, 31 May 2007 17:12:08 -0700, NotABushSupporter
wrote:

R Brickston wrote:

— November 1979: *Muslim extremists* (Iranian variety) seized the U.S.
embassy in Iran and held 52 American hostages for 444 days,

You forgot -
-- Dec 7, 1941 The Japanese, in a sneak attack, bombed Pearl Harbor
Does the mean I should treat the Japanese with any less respect than I
do someone from Iran?

You left Timothy McVie out so you could add "treat all American
ex-military as possible terrorists.


Ok, what does all of this have to do with the 2004 incident?


Bottomline is that the next terrorist act against an American
commercial aircraft will be perpetrated by a *Muslim extremist*.


1. The visas were extended AFTER investigation
2. There is no report of the visas being revoked after the reported
incident.
3. The original investigation showed so little evidence of terrorist
activity, the lower echelons didn't reported any further.
4. It was only after Bush's team heard about it that it was decided
there might be some terrorist activity.
5. The article mentions that one person was previously investigated by
the FBI for similar suspicious behavior. However, there was NO revoking
of his visa at that time, and he wasn't put on the "No Fly" list. Of
course, I would bet that you think everyone investigated by the FBI is
guilty of some federal crime.

6. What kind of suspicious behavior is it that someone would "rush
toward the cockpit" and then "veer to the lavoratory"? In my many years
of flying, I have probably rushed to the bathroom next to the cockpit on
multiple occasions. From the report, it looked like someone saw an Arab
looking man hurry up the aisle toward the bathroom and let their mind
wonder.

R Brickston wrote:

Bottomline is that the next terrorist act against an American
commercial aircraft will be perpetrated by a *Muslim extremist*.


Really?

How, by rushing to the forward lav?

So, perhaps (in your mind), we should just ban all muslims or anyone
that resembles them.

If this was really terrorist activity, then why were their visas never
revoked?

You don't prevent terrorism by complaining everytime someone goes to the
bathroom, or by complaining because an unqualified muslim was sitting in
the exit row, and didn't understand English. Of course, he was assigned
to the seat AND the emergency seat information wasn't in his native
language, but yet... you expect everyone to understand English, right?

On Thu, 31 May 2007 18:15:44 -0700, NotABushSupporter
wrote:

R Brickston wrote:

Bottomline is that the next terrorist act against an American
commercial aircraft will be perpetrated by a *Muslim extremist*.


Really?

How, by rushing to the forward lav?

So, perhaps (in your mind), we should just ban all muslims or anyone
that resembles them.

If this was really terrorist activity, then why were their visas never
revoked?

You don't prevent terrorism by complaining everytime someone goes to the
bathroom, or by complaining because an unqualified muslim was sitting in
the exit row, and didn't understand English. Of course, he was assigned
to the seat AND the emergency seat information wasn't in his native
language, but yet... you expect everyone to understand English, right?

With your attitude, unfortunately, the only method left is to complain
everytime a Muslim extremist attacks one of our aircraft.

R Brickston wrote:
On Thu, 31 May 2007 18:15:44 -0700, NotABushSupporter
wrote:


R Brickston wrote:

Bottomline is that the next terrorist act against an American
commercial aircraft will be perpetrated by a *Muslim extremist*.


Really?

How, by rushing to the forward lav?

So, perhaps (in your mind), we should just ban all muslims or anyone
that resembles them.

If this was really terrorist activity, then why were their visas never
revoked?

You don't prevent terrorism by complaining everytime someone goes to the
bathroom, or by complaining because an unqualified muslim was sitting in
the exit row, and didn't understand English. Of course, he was assigned
to the seat AND the emergency seat information wasn't in his native
language, but yet... you expect everyone to understand English, right?


With your attitude, unfortunately, the only method left is to complain
everytime a Muslim extremist attacks one of our aircraft.

Well, with your attitude, then maybe TSA should just forget inspecting
all non-mulims.

Get a brain. Treating all muslims like terrorists doesn't put this
country in good light.

On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 01:06:48 -0700, NotABushSupporter
wrote:

R Brickston wrote:
On Thu, 31 May 2007 18:15:44 -0700, NotABushSupporter
wrote:


R Brickston wrote:

Bottomline is that the next terrorist act against an American
commercial aircraft will be perpetrated by a *Muslim extremist*.


Really?

How, by rushing to the forward lav?

So, perhaps (in your mind), we should just ban all muslims or anyone
that resembles them.

If this was really terrorist activity, then why were their visas never
revoked?

You don't prevent terrorism by complaining everytime someone goes to the
bathroom, or by complaining because an unqualified muslim was sitting in
the exit row, and didn't understand English. Of course, he was assigned
to the seat AND the emergency seat information wasn't in his native
language, but yet... you expect everyone to understand English, right?


With your attitude, unfortunately, the only method left is to complain
everytime a Muslim extremist attacks one of our aircraft.

Well, with your attitude, then maybe TSA should just forget inspecting
all non-mulims.

Get a brain. Treating all muslims like terrorists doesn't put this
country in good light.

Agreed. Be that as it may, if there is another terror attack on a a US
commercial flight via passenger(s), the conclusion will again be that
racial profiling, as ugly as it is, would have saved many lives. In
essence, thousands of dead (so far) have sacrificed their lives so
Muslims would not have to endure a slight inconvenience.

On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 00:23:16 GMT, R Brickston rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@
wrote:

R Brickston wrote:

— November 1979: *Muslim extremists* (Iranian variety) seized the U.S.
embassy in Iran and held 52 American hostages for 444 days,

You forgot -
-- Dec 7, 1941 The Japanese, in a sneak attack, bombed Pearl Harbor
Does the mean I should treat the Japanese with any less respect than I
do someone from Iran?

You left Timothy McVie out so you could add "treat all American
ex-military as possible terrorists.

No, he'd have called Timothy McVeigh a Christian extremist. And by your
logic the Japanese were Shinto extremists.

If he was going after the American military he'd have mentioned Iran Air 655

DaveM