Jews Strive To Restore Christmas Trees At Seattle Airport

Anarcissie
What the lovers of Christmas trees need to do is get
the Christ out of Christmas and make sure the holiday
is as ostensibly pagan or secular -- irreligious -- as
it is in fact. I've already suggested that Christmas be
renamed "Consumermas". Maybe someone can come
up with something better?

"brique"
Kissmyass ..... then you could keep all the songs and not have to change the
scansion.....

The proposed names show that you guys are not prepared to accept even
the secular aspects of Christmas.

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:
I have suggested for a long time (okay, not online)
that we have Solstice on the 22nd,

People, however, want the distribution of presents to be
at the same date for everyone so it is impossible to
move the date.

Further, the children of people who decline to
participate in this general distribution of presents are
inevitably going to be upset, and people who *do*
participate are going to glam it up, generate a lot of
anticipation that Christmas day is coming, for example
by putting up big displays of Christmas trees - which is
what you mean when you complain that Christians are
"forcing" Christmas on everyone.

Here is my solution: Jews celebrate Christmas on
christmas day, and call it the day of the returning sun
instead of calling it Christmas.

Of course "Merry day of the returning sun" just does not
scan. You could concoct something yiddish that scans,
and just pretend that it translates as "day of the
returning sun"

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We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
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http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald

wrote:

(But Macy's was only sending people to Gimbels if they
didn't have the actual merchanidse....)

Was that in all stores, or just the one on 34th Street, in 1947?

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:51:18 -0800, Sancho Panza wrote:

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:42:19 -0500, Al Klein wrote:

On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:35:17 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
wrote:

On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 04:44:06 +0000, flaviaR wrote:

On 14-Dec-2006, "Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:

On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:36:56 -0800, markzoom wrote:


In a way that would be victory for the zionist Rabbi too.... and a blow
to freedom.

Not having tax funded blinky lights on plastic trees is a "blow to
freedom?"

Maybe to kooks...

Certainly to those who expose themselves and their
politics so thoroughly as markzoom. Or did you miss
what he called the rabbi....? I left it in, above....

Oh I've seen the rants about the US being run by Da Jooos!!! That's why I
used the word "kook." G

And where did the news story say that the rabbi was a Zionist? Or are
all "Jooz" supposed to be Zionists?

They run all the banks you know!

Actually, the largest bank is owned by a sheik from the Saudi royal
family.

Shhh! You'll spoil his fun!

Stay duped and stupid then, your loss.


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thought! Moreover, since he is aware, however dimly, that his
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James A. Donald wrote:
Anarcissie
What the lovers of Christmas trees need to do is get
the Christ out of Christmas and make sure the holiday
is as ostensibly pagan or secular -- irreligious -- as
it is in fact. I've already suggested that Christmas be
renamed "Consumermas". Maybe someone can come
up with something better?

"brique"
Kissmyass ..... then you could keep all the songs and not have to change the
scansion.....

The proposed names show that you guys are not prepared to accept even
the secular aspects of Christmas.

I already tolerate numerous public performances of one sort
of Christianity or another, as well as the pseudo-religions of
patriotism and civil pride. I could put up with Consumermas
as I put up with Christmas, although I'd certainly like to get
away from them and not be taxed to pay for them. I am
taxed for worse things, however.

In article . com,
wrote:

Arturo Magidin wrote:
In article .com,
wrote:

Arturo Magidin wrote:
In article ,
Al Klein wrote:
On 15 Dec 2006 16:18:39 -0800, wrote:

Al Klein wrote:
On 14 Dec 2006 04:47:51 -0800, wrote:

Lets be clear about this, The Rabbi wanted to display the national
emblem of the "STATE" OF ISRAEL at Seattle intenational airport:

No, he wanted to display a Chanukiyah, not a candelabrum.

He wanted to display a Menorah (which is most definately a candelabrum,
as defined in any english dictionary).

Since when did Christianity become the definer of Judaism?

Are you saying a Chanukiah is not a menorah?
Are you saying the the Israeli state emblem is not a Menorah?
Are you saying that Menorahs are not candelabra?

The state emblem of Israel is the candelabra. The symbol of Chanukah
is the Chanukiyah. A Chanukiyah is not a candelabra.

No, actually. "Menorah" means 7 branch candelabrum; "chanukiyah" or
"Hanuka-Menorah" means 9 branch candelabrum.

The state emblem of Israel is the 7 branch candelabrum, the
menorah. The symbol of Hanukah is the 9 branch candelabrum, the
hanukiyah or "Hanukah-menorah".

He wanted to display the latter.

Markzoom's mistake is to think that "menorah" simly means
"candelabrum". It does not; it refers to a specific kind, that with 7
branches.

It DOES refer to a distinctive type of candelabra generically called a
Menorah, uniquely used by Israel as it's state symbol, and no amount of
shystering about small details will change that.

And what you seem incapable of getting through that piece of concrete
you call a head is that all of that is correct, BUT THAT WHAT IS
DISPLAYED IN A HANUKAH DISPLAY IS NOT A "MENORAH". It is a Hanukiyah,
or "Hanukah Menorah" (have you looked up what "compound noun" means
yet?).

Oh yea? Well you better call up all your chums and sell them your new
dictionary then, lying ****wit:

Who are my "chums", dear?

Are you under the impressiono that I am... what?

You post links to... a store front (which, amazingly enough, has
"quick Chanukah Menorah" on top). Then, to another store. Then to
another store. Then to another store.

Did you look it up in, I don't know, an encyclopedia? A dictionary?
Some actual reference, before yelling "lying ****"?

Or is the notion of "appropriate reference" too far beyond the
comprehension of your tiny little mind?

Yes: hanukiyah are often, especially in the US, incorrectly refered to
simply as "menorahs". As such, stores that sell merchandize in the US
will often also incorrectly refer to them as menorahs.

Now, let's look at actual appropriate references, shall we?

I already quoted wikipedia; maybe not to your liking.

The jewish encyclopeida site, www.jewishencyclopedia.com, with the
text of the 12 volume set originally published in 1901-1906. Under
Menorah, it has "holy candelabrum"; all picutres are of 7 branched
candelabrum. It reads in part:

"Symbolically, the menorah represented the creation of the universe
in seven days, the center light symbolizing the Sabbath. The seven
branches are the seven continents of the earth and the seven
heavens, guided by the light of God."

Under Hanukkah, it reads:

"He who lights the Hanukkah-lamp and those who see it kindled
recite the benediction..."

You'll note it is called "Hanukkah lamp", not "menorah".

I could quote others, but as you are not actually interested in truth,
just in diatribe, you'll forgive me if I don't waste my time.

Nobody disagrees that the hanukiyah is often called simply a
"menorah". And hamsters as often called "rats". Alas, calling them
"rats" does not make them rats, and calling a hanukiyah "menorah" does
not mean that it is in fact one. The word is a hebrew word, and in
hebrew it means only the 7 branched candelabrum.

He did not ask for the "symbol of the state of Israel" to be
displayed. He asked for a 9 branch candelabrum to be displayed.

He asked for a Menorah to be displayed.

He asked for a Hanukah-menorah to be displayed. Assuming you are
actually reading accounts instead of going by hearsay, look it up. He
did not ask for a 7 branch candelabrum; he asked for a 9 branched
candelabrum.


No amount of moronic repetition and brain-dead attitude on your part
will change that, no matter how much **** you spew through your mouth.

"Prairie dogs" are not dogs.
"Hanukah menorahs" are not menorahs.

??? An xyz menorah is not a menorah?

Depends on what "xyz" is. A "silver menorah" is a menorah; a "cute
menorah" is a menorah. A "hanukah menorah", however, is not, anymore
than a "prairie dog" is a dog.

Just how stupid are you, you just called it one yourself.

If you aren't a high school drop out, then it is clear that the
education standards in your community are well below acceptable. Your
reading comprehension is appalling.

Have you figured out yet what a "compound noun" is?

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"James A. Donald" wrote in message
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:
I have suggested for a long time (okay, not online)
that we have Solstice on the 22nd,

People, however, want the distribution of presents to be
at the same date for everyone so it is impossible to
move the date.

Further, the children of people who decline to
participate in this general distribution of presents are
inevitably going to be upset, and people who *do*
participate are going to glam it up, generate a lot of
anticipation that Christmas day is coming, for example
by putting up big displays of Christmas trees - which is
what you mean when you complain that Christians are
"forcing" Christmas on everyone.

Here is my solution: Jews celebrate Christmas on
christmas day, and call it the day of the returning sun
instead of calling it Christmas.

This joker says everyone should march to his band. No one else's band
counts. An insular attitude that can't see more than 12 inches away.

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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:51:18 -0800, Sancho Panza wrote:

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:42:19 -0500, Al Klein wrote:

On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:35:17 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
wrote:

On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 04:44:06 +0000, flaviaR wrote:

On 14-Dec-2006, "Mark K. Bilbo" wrote:

On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:36:56 -0800, markzoom wrote:


In a way that would be victory for the zionist Rabbi too....
and a blow
to freedom.

Not having tax funded blinky lights on plastic trees is a "blow
to
freedom?"

Maybe to kooks...

Certainly to those who expose themselves and their
politics so thoroughly as markzoom. Or did you miss
what he called the rabbi....? I left it in, above....

Oh I've seen the rants about the US being run by Da Jooos!!! That's
why I
used the word "kook." G

And where did the news story say that the rabbi was a Zionist? Or
are
all "Jooz" supposed to be Zionists?

They run all the banks you know!

Actually, the largest bank is owned by a sheik from the Saudi royal
family.

Shhh! You'll spoil his fun!

Stay duped and stupid then, your loss.

Why? Is that statement about the largest bank incorrect in some way?

"Tchiowa" wrote in message
oups.com...

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 05:08:47 -0800, Tchiowa wrote:

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:19:09 -0800, Tchiowa wrote:

James A. Donald wrote:
James A. Donald:
But Xmastime is the time of the return of the sun -
it follows the shortest day of the year. Nothing
directly to do, except symbolically, with the birth
of that notorious Jewish heretic that you seem to be
so remarkably upset by.

Mike Hunt
That is the point. It is symbolically linked to the
birth of Christ, hence the name of the holiday.

But then, your basic grievance, or flavia's basic
grievance, is having a holiday on christmas, hence the
impossibility of appeasing the lawsuit mongers by any
lesser measure.

Exactly.

If they don't like Christmas then sue to have it taken out as a
national holiday. Until then I think there are some maturity issues
that need to be resolved in those whining about Christmas Trees.

So what does that say about the people who throw themselves on the
ground
and have a tantrum when cheap, plastic decorations are removed from an
airport?

Who threw a tantrum?

You for one.

???? So you believe that disagreeing with you is the same a throwing a
tantrum?

I guess this ends any discussion with you about logic. You obviously
can't handle it.

Gee, should someone be calling you a liar now?

You bigots are trying to fight against a holiday because you don't like
the religion involved. Time to grow up.

Cheap plastic decorations were removed from an airport. Christians all
over the country had a childish fit until they were put back.

Cheap plastic decorations helping the people celebrate their most
important holiday were removed because of a threat. Yes, that upset
people. Not because of the decorations but because of what the action
meant.

What do you interpret the action to have meant?

Sancho Panza wrote:
wrote in message
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You're in the UK right? Don't worry, you're in one of the favored
provinces of the empire.

What "empire"? I am in europe, the biggest economy in the world and the
biggest exporter in the world.

All the foot-stomping can't hide the delusional provinciality.

WTF are you on about, Crackpot?

Maybe the
continental senesence is setting in earlier than even the Economist
predicted.


Truth is that any politician that doesn't kiss zioNAZI butt doesn't
last long in the US, if he gets anywhere at all. Remember that zionists
are only an extremist faction of an already tiny 1.8% minority.

And they manage this with what? Magic beans? Wands? Hexes?

No. Slurs, no zionist campaign funding, bad media and organising
opposition by various other means.

That must be a reference to all those marches with the flaming Mogen Davids.

???