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On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 22:11:12 +1000, "Peter Webb"
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"John L" wrote in message
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You seem to base all your arguments on how I think, what I buy,
& what my occupation is. Therefore your arguments have absolutely no
validity, as you have no idea what I buy, how I think or my
profession.

Look back at the thread. You speculated on my employment - specifically that
I worked for a telco or Bank. I did not speculate on yours.


Perhaps you would like to give some validity to those
spurious statements by stating what my profession is

Ummm where did I do that? No its not "or is [he]
simply employed in one of these industries as a manager". That was YOU
speculating on MY employment.

Forgetting which side you are arguing on?

No, just aware of your less than subtle comments regarding my
credentials re banks & telcos. Obviouslyf you don't believe my
statement regarding my profession, so lets hear your thoughtrs on it.

& what brand of
shoe I wear, I don'y buy inferior products or your inferior arguments.

Try to stick to facts & don't impose your fantasies regarding the
buying habits & thoughts of other people. It appears you believe a
little spin makes your own arguments appear more legitimate.. Your own
hypocrisy is breathtaking.

Gee, so I guess this is put up or shut up time. Do you buy Australian made
shoes? From where? How much did they cost?
How about your clothes - made in Australia, or at an overseas factory? Of
course, your kids toys - no doubt all made in Australia?

More assumptions on my spending habits as well as my family
circumstances. As you were the one that raised spending habits, let's
hear a little about yours. State your credentials.

Unless you have never bought a pair of shoes that cost less than $300 (and
this is the time and place to state this is true), you have made an economic
cost-cutting decision to use an outsourced offshore supplier - exactly the
same behaviour as you critisice the Banks for. This makes you a "greediest &
most socially immoral entity" - somewhat worse than the Banks and telcos, as

More about my spending habits. Nice emotive term, adds heat but not
much light to your argument.

1. They are not flaming hypocrites

Your words, not mine.

2. You did it long before you did

I did what, before I did what?

3. They act this way to save some-one else's money - their shareholders -
you do it for completely selfish reasons.

Thank you for the free consultation, more assumptions of my motives &
the motives of company directors.on your part.

If you support overseas call centres why do you call the Indians
idiots for playing Indian music, would it be better in your eyes if
they conned people into believing they were in Australia.

Better for them, yes. Because there are people who (rightly or wrongly)
believe that the call centre industry should be protected from overseas
competition.

Possibly the majority of thinking Australians would fall into this
group. No I don't speak for them, just understand the average
Aussie's feelings.
..
Your attempt
to add a little (cough) racism says more about your own moral outlook
than any of your spurious arguments. You'd do Warney proud with your
spin.

Missed this one, did we?

It's more than a little curious why the companies would prefer their
customers not know the call centres were overseas. Could it be they
are aware of the slippery moral grounds for outsourcing?

No. Its purely a matter of business. They win no friends in Australia by
moving their call centres offshore. Doesn't of course mean that they are
wrong to do so, its just that they have better things to do than explain
macro-economic theory to bozzos on newsgroups.

Lucky we have you, the consumate expert to do this. Your credentials
are?

Where is the
benefit to the Australian consumer when it puts other Australians out
of work & the taxpayer has to foot the unemployemnt bill.

Your comment? Or is this one too hard?


Everybody else in the developed world understood this argument 50 years ago.

You asked everybody, you speak for everyone in the developed world?
More spin.

Lets take it from the top.

Q) How is moving a call centre offshore morally different to moving a shoe
manufacturing facility offshore?

Probably none, are you using Nike as an example?

Or do you think Australia should prohibit the importation of shoes,
textiles, pharmaceuticals, factory equipment, aircraft, industrial
chemicals, software, and patent rights from overseas? Alternatively, if you
think that these industries should be open to offshore competition, explain
to me just one more time why call centres should be protected when none of
these other (strategically more important) industries are not?

Australia can't exist as a customer nation, we need to take a stand
somwhere. I am not responsible for short sighted government policies.
You obviously prefer the lemming principle.

Do that, and you can kick my arse with the $400 shoes, hand made in the
Strand Arcade, that you are presumably wearing.

I wouldn't bother, they would fit better in your mouth.

John L.