Man tries to open exit door during flight

Guess we'll never know if yah can since he didn't.

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By MATTHEW BARAKAT, Associated Press Writer 41 minutes ago

CHANTILLY, Va. - A man wearing military fatigues and throwing punches
into the air tried to open the exit door of a jet during a
cross-country flight on Tuesday night, airline officials and passengers
said.

Ken Wolfenberger, of Whittier, Calif., who was on the flight, told The
Associated Press in a telephone interview that he helped subdue the
unruly passenger. The man wore patches on his fatigues with special
forces and jujitsu champion logos, Wolfenberger said.
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Jujitsu champion logos huh. Guess it doesn't help in enclosed
conditions.

Wolfenberger said the man was held down and punched by other passengers
as he grabbed the man's leg. Air marshals then came and took custody
of the man.



Well it sounds like the air marshall arrived "just in time"....wonder
where he,or she,was while all the action was taking place? Maybe with a
flight attendant in the "cock pit"?

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By MATTHEW BARAKAT, Associated Press Writer 41 minutes ago

CHANTILLY, Va. - A man wearing military fatigues and throwing punches
into the air tried to open the exit door of a jet during a
cross-country flight on Tuesday night, airline officials and passengers
said.

Ken Wolfenberger, of Whittier, Calif., who was on the flight, told The
Associated Press in a telephone interview that he helped subdue the
unruly passenger. The man wore patches on his fatigues with special
forces and jujitsu champion logos, Wolfenberger said.
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Jujitsu champion logos huh. Guess it doesn't help in enclosed
conditions.


That kind of situation has been in FS-Passengers. He could
have porentially caused an explosive decompression of the
aircraft, as happens in FS-Passengers. The attempt to open
the door can compromise the integrity and possibly make
the door fail. A passengers attempting to open a door,
however, is the only situation I can think of, that could
cause door failure, and catrostrophic decompression
of the aircraft, like what happens in FS-Passengers.

Charles Newman wrote:
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By MATTHEW BARAKAT, Associated Press Writer 41 minutes ago

CHANTILLY, Va. - A man wearing military fatigues and throwing punches
into the air tried to open the exit door of a jet during a
cross-country flight on Tuesday night, airline officials and passengers
said.
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That kind of situation has been in FS-Passengers. He could
have porentially caused an explosive decompression of the
aircraft, as happens in FS-Passengers. The attempt to open
the door can compromise the integrity and possibly make
the door fail. A passengers attempting to open a door,
however, is the only situation I can think of, that could
cause door failure, and catrostrophic decompression
of the aircraft, like what happens in FS-Passengers.

I suspect that on any nominal passenger jet aircraft capable
of "cross-country" flight, he could have done little to nothing.
The door seal is about the only thing he could have broken.
The doors have a fair amount of pressure on them and
would be difficult to open in flight. At best he might
be able to start one heck of a noisy leak around the door.
But the seal isn't an integral part of the structure and I
doubt much else would have happened.

Mythbusters played around with explosive decompression
and demonstrated that it takes a pretty big hole to
cause much trouble.

wrote:
Wolfenberger said the man was held down and punched by other passengers
as he grabbed the man's leg. Air marshals then came and took custody
of the man.



Well it sounds like the air marshall arrived "just in time"....wonder
where he,or she,was while all the action was taking place? Maybe with a
flight attendant in the "cock pit"?


Perhaps the air marshalls were not near that specific emergency exit.
The man was being held down. What was the need for being "punched by
other passengers"?

In message . com
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Wolfenberger said the man was held down and punched by other passengers
as he grabbed the man's leg. Air marshals then came and took custody
of the man.



Well it sounds like the air marshall arrived "just in time"....wonder
where he,or she,was while all the action was taking place? Maybe with a
flight attendant in the "cock pit"?

Likely avoiding revealing themselves until absolutely necessary, to
avoid a terrorist using a situation like this to identify the air
marshall, allowing the terrorists to take our the air marshalls first.

--
If men can run the world, why can't they stop wearing neckties?
How intelligent is it to start the day by tying a noose around
your neck?

Charles Newman wrote:
That kind of situation has been in FS-Passengers. He could
have porentially caused an explosive decompression of the
aircraft, as happens in FS-Passengers.


Not on pressurised aircraft. Assuming sufficient brute force, moving
the lever into the unlocked position on a pressurized aircraft door
would just move the door slightly, enough to break the seal and create a
LOT of noise as the air escapes through the fissure around the door.


When you consider the surface of the door, and a pressure of about 8psi,
that is a lot of pounds of force applied to the whole door. On a door of
6 feet * 3 feet, it would be around 2500 square inches. You apply 8
pounds to each of those and you get roughly 20,000 pounds of force
applied to the door.

Per DevilsPGD:
Likely avoiding revealing themselves until absolutely necessary, to
avoid a terrorist using a situation like this to identify the air
marshall, allowing the terrorists to take our the air marshalls first.

That was my own first reaction. Keep you head down and your mouth shut until
the situation unfolds more fully.
--
PeteCresswell

FAMs (Federal Air Marshalls) will always allow flight crews to handle
any situation that arrises.
They only intervene if a situation goes beyond the control of the flight
crew..... then they will get involved, one at a time........

wrote:

FAMs (Federal Air Marshalls) will always allow flight crews to handle
any situation that arrises.
They only intervene if a situation goes beyond the control of the flight
crew..... then they will get involved, one at a time........


Is it possible that by that time, it might be too late?
Why were they needed in this event? The passengers had already handled
it. At that point, apparently, they BOTH revealed themselves.