Anyone else suing?

Northwest Airlines gave information on passengers to the federal
government for a secret air-security project after the Sept.11 attacks,
the airline has admitted,after initially denying that it had.
Northwest is the second carrier to be identified as secretly passing
travelers' records to the government in September, JetBlue Airways said
it turned over passenger records to a defense contractor, later
apologizing to its customers. NorthWest's participation in the
project was first reported by the Washington Post yesterday. The
airline said in a statement to the newspaper Friday that it participated
in NASA program to help the government's search for technology to
improve aviation security. NorthWest,
based in Eagan, Minn. had said earlier that it was not involved in the
program. Other airlines had said they would not cooperate in
developing a passenger screening program because of privacy concerns.
NorthWest declined to say how many passenger records were shared with
NASA from October to December 2001.
More then 10.9 million passengers traveled on NorthWest flights during
that time, according to the Transportation Department.
Philadelphia Inquirer, 1/20/04

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:37:31 -0500 (EST) (Baco19434
Baco19434) wrote:

:Northwest Airlines gave information on passengers to the federal
:government for a secret air-security project after the Sept.11 attacks,

Big deal.

Like the information that they have is so sekrit.

--
Binyamin Dissen
http://www.dissensoftware.com

Baco19434 Baco19434 wrote:
Northwest Airlines gave information on passengers to the federal
government for a secret air-security project after the Sept.11 attacks,
the airline has admitted,after initially denying that it had.
Northwest is the second carrier to be identified as secretly passing
travelers' records to the government in September, JetBlue Airways said
it turned over passenger records to a defense contractor, later
apologizing to its customers. NorthWest's participation in the
project was first reported by the Washington Post yesterday. The
airline said in a statement to the newspaper Friday that it participated
in NASA program to help the government's search for technology to
improve aviation security. NorthWest,
based in Eagan, Minn. had said earlier that it was not involved in the
program. Other airlines had said they would not cooperate in
developing a passenger screening program because of privacy concerns.
NorthWest declined to say how many passenger records were shared with
NASA from October to December 2001.
More then 10.9 million passengers traveled on NorthWest flights during
that time, according to the Transportation Department.
Philadelphia Inquirer, 1/20/04



The government could easily get any information they want on any US
citizen - remember the social security number that everyone ties your
information to???

Baco19434 Baco19434 wrote:
Northwest Airlines gave information on passengers to the federal
government for a secret air-security project after the Sept.11 attacks,
the airline has admitted,after initially denying that it had.

What amount would you sue for? To what amount have you been "damaged"

Fraudulent Cisco rogue employee, troll, and harasser Michael Voight, disguised
as mrraveltay harassed yet another poster:



Baco19434 Baco19434 wrote:
Northwest Airlines gave information on passengers to the federal
government for a secret air-security project after the Sept.11 attacks,
the airline has admitted,after initially denying that it had.

What amount would you sue for? To what amount have you been "damaged"

Probably not half as much as Cisco has been damaged by your years of fraud,
abuse, trolling and harassing on usenet all day from work.

IP address: 171.71.79.29
Host name: mvoight-w2k02.cisco.com

"I never post from my work account" - another one of your lies.

About Rogue Cisco Employee Michael "mrraveltay" Voight,
a.k.a. the "mrtravel" Netkook Troll/Usenet Flooder

"mrraveltay" is the latest usenet handle of a brainless troll whose real name is
Michael Voight, email .

He is better known by his previous stupid handle, "mrtravel".

The idiot works for Cisco in San Jose and apparently they don't
keep him busy enough so he has to troll usenet when he isn't
looking for foreign brides to marry in exchange for money
in alt.visa.us.marriage-based and alt.personals.big-folks, or trying
to pick up minors in alt.personals.teens or any of the number of creepy
newsgroups he frequents. Some of his other trolling aliases are Network
Guy, , sleepydoc , jlhunt
, and Lost 5 of 8 , mrt ,
news.sf.sbcglobal.net , and not-nomen . His
latest one is UCLAisthebest .

All intelligent members of the usenet community have killfiled him, so he takes
great pains to get past their killfiles by rubbing his only two cerebral neurons
together and coming up with gems like: mrtrav and mrtrav3
. The lastest product of his brain diarrhea is: mrraveltay
and he seems to hang out in alt.personals.fat.
Hmmm....

His phone number is 831-252-2606.

He's got a daughter in Orange County that one of his ex-wives had the
intelligence to take away from him. Lord only knows what could have
happened to her if she had continued to live with the kook. The other kids
he has belong to his previous Russian sleazy brides, and since they come
and go so do the kids. It wouldn't hurt to let Cisco know what kind of
deviant sexual pervert maniac they have working for them, so....

For starters, forward his idiotic posts to .

He works in technical support, so forward them to .

He often posts through sbcglobal and prodigy, so forward them to
and as well.

You can also call them at 1 800 553 2447 and ask to speak with a supervisor
and explain that you are EXTREMELY unhappy that this idiot spends his whole
day at work playing on the internet on company time. THEY WILL NOT LIKE
THAT.

Then write to corporate headquarters explaining what this idiot is doing
and telling them HOW BAD IT IS FOR THEIR COMPANY IMAGE. They will LOVE
that you brought this to their attention:

Cisco Systems, Inc.
170 West Tasman Dr.
San Jose, CA 95134
USA

Then also call them. You should always follow up email or letters with
phone calls. Always ask for supervisors or managers. Try to get as far up
as possible.

(408)526-4000
(800)553-NETS or
(800)553-6387

Contact Investor Relations and tell them you are interested in investing in
their company but won't do so until they get rid of this asshole who is
wasting company resources:

Cisco Systems, Inc.
Investor Relations Department
170 West Tasman Drive
San Jose, CA 95134-1706
Phone: (408) 526-8890
Fax: (408) 526-4545
Email:

Might as well contact customer service too, they LOVE to hear about this
type of stuff:

USA 1 800 553 6387




Then finally, send letters with copies of his nasty posts addressed
personally to each one of the OFFICERS of the company using the
headquarters address. Believe me, they READ your complaints and are VERY
INTERESTED in them, especially if it's about one of their employees. They
will take a PERSONAL interest in rooting this ASSHOLE out of their company:

John Morgridge, Chairman
John Chambers, President, CEO
Donald Valentine, Vice Chairman
Larry Carter, CFO, Sr. VP-Fin. and Admin., Sec., Director
Richard Justice, Sr. VP, Worldwide Field Operations

Have fun!

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 22:29:47 +0000, mrraveltay wrote:



Baco19434 Baco19434 wrote:
Northwest Airlines gave information on passengers to the federal
government for a secret air-security project after the Sept.11 attacks,
the airline has admitted,after initially denying that it had.

What amount would you sue for? To what amount have you been "damaged"

Issue is not damage. It should be punitive. Class action, ask for enough
to drive them into bankruptcy.

Best way to ensure next time no one else feels like pulling the same trick.

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:19:41 -0700, cj wrote:


The government could easily get any information they want on any US
citizen - remember the social security number that everyone ties your
information to???

But that would be illegal too, wouldn't it?

In article ,
(Baco19434 Baco19434) wrote:


More then 10.9 million passengers traveled on NorthWest flights during
that time, according to the Transportation Department.
Philadelphia Inquirer, 1/20/04


What would you sue for? You can only sue for monetary damages.
How did Northwest's disclosure of this information harm you?

devil wrote:
Issue is not damage. It should be punitive. Class action, ask for enough
to drive them into bankruptcy.

Best way to ensure next time no one else feels like pulling the same trick.


Bush claimed, in his state of the police state speech, a great achievement in
having analysts studying airline reservations.

Bush and his media claim he has big majority of support from american public
for his measures supposed to deal with anti-terrorism but which break privacy
and human rights/civil liberties.

It now seems more and more apparent that all the big USA carriers submitted
private reservation data to a multitude of government bodies each trying their
onw version of Big-Brother-Is-Watching-You.

Patriot act probably makes what the airlines did perfectly legal. So the
invasion of privacy is probably just a public relations issue, not a
legal/criminal one.

Unless americans send a very strong message to their media outlets and polling
outfits that they will not tolerate such invasions of privacy and excess use
of powers and bypassing of constitution, the Bush Regime will rightfully
continue its policies unchallenged.

Some stupid democrat tonight said that he still supported the invasion of
Iraq. So it seems that the only possible opposition to the Bush regime is at
best divided on the issue and certaintly not unanimously and agressively
fighting those abuse of power by the Bush regime.

Class action, ask for enough
to drive them into bankruptcy.

Why would you want to put 55,000 people out of work?