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Jews Strive To Restore Christmas Trees At Seattle Airport
"Laura Sanchez" wrote in message ups.com... Too bad Christianity doesn't return the favor. Excuse me? It's Christians that are the only ones defending Israel and denouncing anti-Semitism. Excuse me? Christians used to burn Jews at the stake. -- Robyn Resident Witchypoo #1557 I think religion is so popular because even the village idiot can feel like Einstein without any effort. - Denis Loubet |
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Jews Strive To Restore Christmas Trees At Seattle Airport
On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:38:26 -0800, markzoom wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote: On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:02:49 -0800, Laura Sanchez wrote: Too bad Christianity doesn't return the favor. Excuse me? It's Christians that are the only ones defending Israel and denouncing anti-Semitism. By refusing to add a menorah to the airport display? It's not just some kind of festive decoration. The menorah is the NATIONAL EMBLEM OF THE "STATE" OF ISRAEL Like the eagle is to the US!: http://www.science.co.il/Israel-Emblem.asp I would find it highly offensive to have an 8 foot foreign state emblem displayed by legal imposition in my country. But hey, maybe yanks should know who their real masters are. That's stupid. Doesn't matter what it means in Israel, this isn't Israel. Here, many regard it as a religious symbol. If we're going to let one religious symbol be displayed on public property at public expense, we should let all of them be displayed. -- Mark K. Bilbo ------------------------------------------------------------ There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels. |
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Jews Strive To Restore Christmas Trees At Seattle Airport
Mike Hunt postmaster@localhost wrote in message . .. wrote: On 13-Dec-2006, " wrote: James A. Donald wrote: But you guys are trying to suppress even the secular aspects of Christmas - you were suing against the display of Christmas trees Who was suing against what display of Xmas trees? The ones in SEATAC?\ Even if anyone was - which no one is doing - the proof that the trees and all the other attendent crap really is NOT secular is that it is ONLY brought out AT XMAStime. Right, it is bought for the same day that happens to coincide with the day that Christians celebrate the birth of Christ. Thats right, they only grow in December and they all die overnight on the 26th . |
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Jews Strive To Restore Christmas Trees At Seattle Airport
James A. Donald wrote in message ... "brique" Nobody was 'sueing against the display of trees'. a rabbi threatened to sue if the airport did not also display symbols of his religion alongside the trees. But they were displaying trees, and not a manger, because the manger is a symbol of the Christian religion, and the trees are not. Hey, sorry if the facts upset your little pre-programmed rant.... but there you go.... Further, past experience has shown you cannot settle this dispute by concessions. Any concession is met by further demands from additional complainants, for the real grievance is Christmas itself, as several people in this thread have made abundantly clear. Past experience..... so, you are giving up on your libertarian campaign against the state then? After all, they can't concede anything to you, you will only ask for more...... -- ---------------------- We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state. http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald |
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Jews Strive To Restore Christmas Trees At Seattle Airport
Anarcissie wrote in message oups.com... Sancho Panza wrote: "James A. Donald" wrote in message ... "brique" Nobody was 'sueing against the display of trees'. a rabbi threatened to sue if the airport did not also display symbols of his religion alongside the trees. But they were displaying trees, and not a manger, because the manger is a symbol of the Christian religion, and the trees are not. If the trees are not a religious symbol, why is there so much fervor to display them? Yes, that's the question. Why is it so important? I'ts a convenient hook for every nutcase in usenet to pontificate.......thats the point.... |
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Jews Strive To Restore Christmas Trees At Seattle Airport
Cary Kittrell wrote in message ... In article "brique" writes: Cary Kittrell wrote in message ... In article James A. Donald writes: Mike Hunt The issue isn't that the Rabbi wanted the Christmas ornaments removed, but he wanted representation of his religion a this public facility. James A. Donald: Christmas is a universal celebration, No, it is not. The fact that some people have secularized it changes nothing. So you are worried that people might look at the Christmas tree and THINK of a manger? Sure sounds like war on Christmas. Sounds like a bar fight against Christmas -- an isolated incident. A war would be large numbers of complaints or lawsuits against displays which contain no specifically Christian symbolism. Yet this is the only story of this nature I am aware of which did not involve things such a manger, wise men, or other related icons. The joke is that the decorated tree is a pagan symbol, adopted by germans christians, imported into England and popularised by the Victorians and thence spread world-wide. It has no relationship to the christian nativity tale at all. Yeppers, not an authentic Christian symbol, like, say....um, bunnies and eggs at Easter? More pagan symbols.... fertility and all that..... unless the rabbit symbolises the resurrection. because it can get it up so many times a day..... and the egg, why that symbolises the slaughtered foetii of all that years abortions..... and....up..... ribbons.... the ribbon signifies.... um...... oh the Crown of Thorns.... yep..blood red ribbons.... and.....mmm.... chocolate.. yep, dark chocolate bunnies signify the bitter tears of the Lord and the sweet milky chocolate bunnies are Yoru reward in heaven! Say, this religion bull**** symbolism is dead easy...... -- cary |
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Jews Strive To Restore Christmas Trees At Seattle Airport
Tchiowa wrote in message ups.com... James A. Donald wrote: Your insistence that "Christmas is now secular and erveyone must celebrate it or be considered a bigot [the upshot of your "only those with a grudge against it don;t celebrate it" post] " is not only insanely fascist and bigoted, but just not logical. No one must celebrate it, but any one who not only does not celebrate it, but gets upset and offended by other people celebrating it, is indeed a bigot. Exactly right. So, anyone who isnt a christian or who doesn't pretend to be a christian for christmas is a bigot? Right. |
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Jews Strive To Restore Christmas Trees At Seattle Airport
Mark K. Bilbo wrote: I notice nobody asking why it is tax money has to be spent on ornaments rather than silly things like, you know, fixing potholes or even something really absurd like airport security... That attitude could help explain why socialist countries have such a reputation for being ugly, spirit-killing places. |
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Jews Strive To Restore Christmas Trees At Seattle Airport
Mark K. Bilbo wrote: On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:02:49 -0800, Laura Sanchez wrote: Too bad Christianity doesn't return the favor. Excuse me? It's Christians that are the only ones defending Israel and denouncing anti-Semitism. By refusing to add a menorah to the airport display? If there's a choice between displaying all religions and displaying none - and that was ultimately the choice - then the better option is to display none. Christmas trees are nonreligious as all obvious traces of Christianity are removed (a nativity scene would constitute an obvious Christian element). Christmas is in fact a federal holiday and therefore secular (since the federal state is secular), and so to celebrate Christmas is not, by itself, to celebrate Christianity. Of course a display that refers not only to Christmas but also to Christ is not secular. Thus Santa is secular and Christmas trees are secular, but the nativity scene is not secular. However, if it is tragically and incorrectly decided in the courts that to display Christmas trees is to endorse Christianity, then Christmas trees should be removed rather than overtly religious displays such as menorahs, nativity scenes, and the like, added. None of this harms Israel or endorses anti-semitism, so it is orthogonal to the question of whether Christians defend Israel and denounce anti-semitism. |
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