Tourists murdered in Thailand

On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 10:46:37 -0500, ian in this message

ews.net

.com
from subject
as: Tourists murdered in Thailand:
wrote/and/or quoted:

Just try strolling alone in the wrong neighborhood after midnight in,
say, some parts of NYC to see how protected the government keeps you!

Ian

yeah, k i
there is a ny of a difference:
driving down the whole of bronx in a cadilac
and
walking down a block of the same



==end, and/or end quote || When replying respond to the original author, NOT ME PLEASE ==
-pluto

in response to posts by Ian and Maxwell, Sandy, et. al.

Would what would be very interesting to know would be the proportion of :

1. short term visit (less than one month) tourists killed or murdered by
Thais, raped by Thais, or robbed by Thais. i.e., not accidents, not highway
fatalities, not the result of extreme risk-taking behavior by the tourists.

2. long term stay expats (greater than one year) killed or murdered by
Thais, raped by Thais, or robbed by Thais. i.e., not accidents, not highway
fatalities, not the result of extreme risk-taking behavior by the expats.

I'd love to see these statistics broken out by sex, age cohorts, and by
location. Separate statistics for farang suicides broken out by these same
categories.

My guesses :

1. more older long-term stay expats die in Pattaya of suicide and murder per
1000 farang population cohorts than anywhere else in the Kingdom.

2. more young short term visit tourists are murdered on the beach areas
which may include Koh Samui, Phuket, as well as, of course, Jomtien,
Pattaya, etc.

3. more older single long-stay expat males are murdered in the greater
Bangkok area.

An experiment : ... focus only on dead Farangs who have been murdered or
committed suicide ... exclude death by terrorist bombings ... exclude death
by someone who has gone berserk and killed a lot of people in a rage ...

Imagine a large map of Thailand on which stickers are placed per homicide :

1. a blue star is a dead young tourist male, a red star is a dead young
tourist female

2. a green star is a dead younger male long-term expat; a yellow star a dead
younger female long-term expat

3. a black star is a dead older male long-term expat; a dead older female
long-term expat

Now add in stickers for suicides using the same colors but using little
triangular stickers.

What do you think you would see if you looked at the map from several feet
away ?

~o:37;

"ian" wrote in message
...
Bald eagle wrote:
The Military junta don't know and don't care
about tourist being killed frequently in Thailand.
It is their duty to make Thailand safe for their guest.
They failed.

Insurance costs for visiting Thailand
has jumped sky high.
The bottom line is......Thailand is deadly...to
tourists.

I think you have an agenda. .......

Yes. I certainly have an agenda. ...to point out ugly
facts about Thailand....
Since the junta took over, Thailand is NOT safe for
foreign investors, ..not safe for tourists.

What's wrong with my agenda ?

"ian" wrote in message
...
Bald eagle wrote:
The Military junta don't know and don't care
about tourist being killed frequently in Thailand.
It is their duty to make Thailand safe for their guest.
They failed.

Insurance costs for visiting Thailand
has jumped sky high.
The bottom line is......Thailand is deadly...to
tourists.

I think you have an agenda.
No authority can guarantee 100% safety for tourists, nor, indeed, anyone
else. Do you have any comparative stats on tourist deaths per 1000 between
one country and another to prove your point?

Do you need stats....to tell you a place is
dangerous. (intending to lie with stats)

In less than a year after the Junta took over....bombs
exploded in the streets of Bangkok killing people, ...
tourists were killed (don't know how many more
killings have gone unreported ....suppressed by the
Junta).
For comparison, how many bombs were exploded
and how many tourists killed in Tokyo, Taipei, Seoul,
Hong Kong, Singapore, or KL in the last six months.
Your certainly do NOT need stats to know that these
cities are much safer.

"pluto" wrote ...
ian wrote
Just try strolling alone in the wrong neighborhood after midnight in,
say, some parts of NYC to see how protected the government keeps you!
Ian

yeah, k i
there is a ny of a difference:
driving down the whole of bronx in a cadilac and
walking down a block of the same.

'the whole of the Bronx' and 'a block of the same' suggests a criminal
homogeneity of the Bronx that ignores the fact that not only is most of the
Bronx NOT so blighted, but a significant portion of the South(mainly) Bronx
blight has in the past few decades been cleaned up.
One can only wonder when last (if ever) pluto drove through the Bronx, and
if he ever did, whether he drove in circles in one bad part of the Bronx,
thinking he'd seen it all ;~)
-maxwell

Khun Ian wrote :

"Just try strolling alone in the wrong neighborhood after midnight in, say,
some parts of NYC to see how protected the government keeps you !"

Khun Ian, Khrup,

Yeah, "parts" is the key word. If you want to get mugged in San Francisco,
here's a 'guaranteed way' to do it.

1. Stay at the Downtown Hilton Hotel. 333 O'Farrell Street. Remember they
are going to hit you up US $46.50 per day for parking your car ! Thanks to
the friendly local highly politically connected "parking" Mafia of SF.

2. Dress very nicely. Wear some gold or jewelry. A gold Rolex watch would be
very good. Have a nice dinner.

3. Now exit the hotel after 11PM, Friday through Sunday would be best :
between 12 midnight and 3AM the best : start walking west on O'Farrell
Street.

4. Walk slowly, spend your time eyeballing shops and such.

5. If you reach Polk Street without being mugged yet :

a. turn left on Polk and walk south one street down to Ellis street,
turn left and walk back heading east back toward the hotel area.

6. If you made it down Ellis as far as Mason Street (near the hotel) without
being mugged yet :

a. turn right on Mason, walk south one street to Eddy Street. Then right
on Eddy and walk west again until you reach Polk.

If you have not been mugged by this time, you are doing something wrong !

By the way if you are Japanese, and are staying at the Downtown Hilton,
there are far simpler ways to get extorted close to the Hotel in special
shops that appear to cater to Japanese only : they use the same play-book
that the upstairs sex shows in Patpong, and some of the seafood restaurants
on Sukhumvit use, but also use dramatic intimidation and threats.

~o:37;

On Mar 3, 3:42 pm, "truth" wrote:
"Bald eagle" wrote in message

...







"Nisse PowerMan" wrote in message
...
Bald eagle wrote:

The Military junta don't know and don't care
about tourist being killed frequently in Thailand.
It is their duty to make Thailand safe for their guest.
They failed.

Insurance costs for visiting Thailand
has jumped sky high.
The bottom line is......Thailand is deadly...to
tourists.

Maybe...........

But not even close as deadly to tourists as for example Miami or Los
Angeles or any other major city in America.

NOT true...
Honolulu is safe...... the second best city in the world.

U have always run down America, r u not contradicting urself.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

orang37 wrote:
in response to posts by Ian and Maxwell, Sandy, et. al.

Would what would be very interesting to know would be the proportion of :

1. short term visit (less than one month) tourists killed or murdered by
Thais, raped by Thais, or robbed by Thais. i.e., not accidents, not highway
fatalities, not the result of extreme risk-taking behavior by the tourists.

2. long term stay expats (greater than one year) killed or murdered by
Thais, raped by Thais, or robbed by Thais. i.e., not accidents, not highway
fatalities, not the result of extreme risk-taking behavior by the expats.

I'd love to see these statistics broken out by sex, age cohorts, and by
location. Separate statistics for farang suicides broken out by these same
categories.

My guesses :

1. more older long-term stay expats die in Pattaya of suicide and murder per
1000 farang population cohorts than anywhere else in the Kingdom.

2. more young short term visit tourists are murdered on the beach areas
which may include Koh Samui, Phuket, as well as, of course, Jomtien,
Pattaya, etc.

3. more older single long-stay expat males are murdered in the greater
Bangkok area.

An experiment : ... focus only on dead Farangs who have been murdered or
committed suicide ... exclude death by terrorist bombings ... exclude death
by someone who has gone berserk and killed a lot of people in a rage ...

Imagine a large map of Thailand on which stickers are placed per homicide :

1. a blue star is a dead young tourist male, a red star is a dead young
tourist female

2. a green star is a dead younger male long-term expat; a yellow star a dead
younger female long-term expat

3. a black star is a dead older male long-term expat; a dead older female
long-term expat

Now add in stickers for suicides using the same colors but using little
triangular stickers.

What do you think you would see if you looked at the map from several feet
away ?

~o:37;

A very untidy map!

Your stats should be broken down further by nationality and
socioeconomic class in country of origin, ideally speaking.

Ian

maxwell wrote:
"pluto" wrote ...
ian wrote
Just try strolling alone in the wrong neighborhood after midnight in,
say, some parts of NYC to see how protected the government keeps you!
Ian

yeah, k i
there is a ny of a difference:
driving down the whole of bronx in a cadilac and
walking down a block of the same.

'the whole of the Bronx' and 'a block of the same' suggests a criminal
homogeneity of the Bronx that ignores the fact that not only is most of the
Bronx NOT so blighted, but a significant portion of the South(mainly) Bronx
blight has in the past few decades been cleaned up.
One can only wonder when last (if ever) pluto drove through the Bronx, and
if he ever did, whether he drove in circles in one bad part of the Bronx,
thinking he'd seen it all ;~)
-maxwell

I lived in the Bronx for several years, in an extremely safe area. It
was safe to stagger around drunk at any hour without any worry
whatsoever, not that one is claiming so to have done.

I was thinking of some areas of Harlem, blocks on Pennsylvania Avenue in
Brooklyn, parts of Bushwick, or even places in Crown Heights. Or the
parking lot off Flatbush Avenue near Juniors where the cousin of my then
girlfriend was murdered.

You always need to understand the environment, be watchful, and have a
way out if anything untoward occurs or looks like occurring.

Ian

Bald eagle wrote:
"ian" wrote in message
...
Bald eagle wrote:
The Military junta don't know and don't care
about tourist being killed frequently in Thailand.
It is their duty to make Thailand safe for their guest.
They failed.

Insurance costs for visiting Thailand
has jumped sky high.
The bottom line is......Thailand is deadly...to
tourists.
I think you have an agenda. .......

Yes. I certainly have an agenda. ...to point out ugly
facts about Thailand....
Since the junta took over, Thailand is NOT safe for
foreign investors, ..not safe for tourists.

What's wrong with my agenda ?

It appears to have distorted your objectivity. What stats do you have to
show that the takeover has increased physical risk for foreigners?

Ian