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Secret trade agreement will require searches of laptops, MP3 players,and cellphones at airports
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Co...rade_Agreement
The Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) is a proposed plurilateral trade agreement that would impose strict enforcement of intellectual property rights related to Internet activity and trade in information-based goods. The agreement is being secretly negotiated by the governments of the United States, the European Commission, Japan, Switzerland, Australia, New Zealand, South Korea, Canada, and Mexico. [1][2] If adopted at the 34th G8 summit in July 2008, the treaty would establish an international coalition against copyright infringement, imposing a strong, top-down enforcement regime of copyright laws in developed nations. The proposed agreement would allow border officials to search laptops, MP3 players, and cellular phones for copyright- infringing content. It would also impose new cooperation requirements upon internet service providers (ISPs), including perfunctory disclosure of customer information, and restrict the use of online privacy tools. The proposal specifies a plan to encourage developing nations to accept the legal regime. The European Commission, the Office of the United States Trade Representative, the Australian Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, and other government agencies have acknowledged participating in ACTA negotiations, but they have not released documents relating to the proposed agreement. Public interest advocates in Canada filed an access to information request but received only a document stating the title of the agreement, with everything else blacked out.[2] On May 22, 2008, a discussion paper about the proposed agreement was uploaded to Wikileaks, and newspaper reports about the secret negotiations quickly followed.[3][4][2][5] Border searches Newspaper reports indicate that the proposed agreement would empower security officials at airports and other international borders to conduct random searches of laptops, MP3 players, and cellular phones for illegally downloaded or "ripped" music and movies. Travelers with infringing content would be subject to a fine and may have their devices confiscated or destroyed.[2][5] ISP cooperation The leaked document includes a provision to force internet service providers to provide information about suspected copyright infringers without a warrant, making it easier for the record industry to sue music file sharers and for officials to shut down non-commercial BitTorrent websites such as The Pirate Bay.[6] Enforcement ACTA would create its own governing body outside existing international institutions such as the World Trade Organization (WTO), the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) or the United Nations.[2][7] |
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Secret trade agreement will require searches of laptops, MP3 players, and cellphones at airports
What about the Fair use doctrine? Digital rights management is the bad
thing. Bill |
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Secret trade agreement will require searches of laptops, MP3 players, and cellphones at airports
On Sun, 01 Jun 2008 03:20:05 GMT, "Bill Cunningham"
wrote: What about the Fair use doctrine? Digital rights management is the bad thing. Bill Precisely. M$ has declared itself the watchdog of the industry and now insists that simply because you use it's products, YOU must have a license. No license? You're screwed. Even though you have legally obtained that music. I can't even play a WMA file on winamp simply because I have no license. DRM ain't about rights, it's about kickbacks and making money. |
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Secret trade agreement will require searches of laptops, MP3 players, and cellphones at airports
On Sat, 31 May 2008 23:14:02 -0400, Larry wrote:
In article , richard wrote: On Sat, 31 May 2008 16:57:40 -0700 (PDT), wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Co...rade_Agreement More wikipedia bull****. The United States copyright laws already give consumers certain rights to enjoy music as they see fit for their own personal use. Copyright laws do not in any way protect the end user, Richard. They protect the owner of the copyright. Larry, you are not an expert in the field. There are clauses in the copyright laws which give the end user certain "rights" to enjoy that music as they see fit. I can legally copy a protected song into any device I own and listen at my convenience. What I can not do legally, is make copies and sell that item. That's what the copyright law is all about. If I go to a store, buy a CD and then copy the contents to my computer, that is 100% legal. I'll bet that it's even legal in Canada. Then there is another problem with this farce. Jurisdiction. In the USA, domains are controlled by ICANN. If you own a domain name registered in the USA, then the USA laws apply to that domain name regardless of where you live. Read the laws. You obviously haven't. I have. Canada does NOT have the legal right to shut down any dot com website for alleged copyright infringement. Think about it. How is a Canadian Court going to impose Canadian laws on a USA citizen living in the USA? Have you thought about it? Have you researched it? As a NYC ADA, Larry, can you legally prosecute a citizen of Canada who has never set foot in your city? Of course not. This is why we have borders. Canadian laws have no meaning in the USA. Period. Here's a free hint on where to start: look up the history of France and Yahoo. In that case against yahoo, in France, the case only effected that portion of yahoo that resides in France. Are you aware that yahoo has offices in France? Probably not. This trade agreement sounds like somebody's scare tactic to curb the illegal copying of files. So what are we supposed to do then when crossing borders? Carry proper documentation that we have the legal right to the music and other property? Bull****. How eloquent. And wrong. Do you know what started all this crap? The director of RIAA, a woman with no clues about copyrighty laws, said to the creator of NAPSTER, "Aren't you aware that what you are doing is illegal?" No it's not. Never has been. The program he wrote never violated the laws. As I can legally share with you any item I own. Again, what I can not do with it is, make copies and sell it. Do you own law books? Have you ever given one of them to a friend? Now why is that legal to do and not with music? Have you ever purchasesd a CD and given it to a friend as a present? Legal? Yes it is. |
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Secret trade agreement will require searches of laptops, MP3players, and cellphones at airports
On Jun 1, 12:03*am, Larry wrote:
As a NYC ADA, Larry, can you legally prosecute a citizen of Canada who has never set foot in your city? Of course not. I most certainly can. *Extradition would be tough, but it could be done. Always? Moron. Want some examples of how I can prosecute someone who committed a crime in NY but never set foot here? 1) Someone stands on the shore of the Hudson River in NJ and fires a shot into NY, killing someone. *NY has jurisdiction to charge the person with murder. Apples-oranges. Both NY and NJ are in the SAME country! Moron. Say a person stands in Canada and fires a bullet into the U.S. killing someone. They are charged with murder and Canada is asked for extradition. Too bad. The U.S. has the death penalty and Canada won't extradite where a person would face the death penalty. So much for your bold assertions. 2) Someone hacks into a computer that is in NY, or commits a crime where the victim is in New York (such as identity theft) even if they never come to NY themselves. From China? Oh sure. That'll work. What about all those billions of Asian illegal copies of stuff? Where exactly is U.S. law? I'll tell you, they just decided the problem was too big to handle and just isolated the region with it's own separate copyright rules that wink at illegal copies and concentrated on the rest of the world instead. Want more examples, fool? So who is the "fool" here? Just keep suing those college kids for millions in the hope of shaking a few more quarters out of their pockets. Hopefully kids will wise up and reject all you greedy guts and your rules designed to force everyone to pay and you'll all go out of business. Until then you can just keep billing those chargeable hours to the trade associations! |
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Secret trade agreement will require searches of laptops, MP3players, and cellphones at airports
On May 31, 11:55*pm, richard wrote:
How eloquent. *And wrong. Do you know what started all this crap? The director of RIAA, a woman with no clues about copyrighty laws, said to the creator of NAPSTER, "Aren't you aware that what you are doing is illegal?" No it's not. Never has been. The program he wrote never violated the laws. As I can legally share with you any item I own. Again, what I can not do with it is, make copies and sell it. Well, that's the way it USED to be. You know "Copyright" = right to copy? But all that has changed. Take the Napster case. As you know it went to the Supreme court and they decided AGAINST Napster. Sure he was only making software, but the court said that he "should have known" that people would use it to copy things illegally. You know its the same idea that if you manufacture guns, you "should have known" that criminals would kill people with them, or if you make cars you should have known that people would get drunk and kill and injure others with your products. Bottom line is that if someone is misusing a product you make, you have to be responsible for all the damages done by anyone who misuses that product! It's only sensible I'm sure. As for "fair use"? It's non-existent. Courts have stripped it down to a level where a "researcher" can quote a few words for a review of your work or a teacher might read a few lines of it in class but if you xerox a paper or copy some music to do research, it's a copyright violation pure and simple. There is no such thing as a copyright holder having a responsibility to society. If someone wants to refer to your work for research to educate the next generation, then let them pay through the nose! It's only sensible! Do you own law books? Have you ever given one of them to a friend? Now why is that legal to do and not with music? Have you ever purchased a CD and given it to a friend as a present? Legal? Yes it is. Well, USED to be! You need to get up on the law. Today with software people leading the way, things change. Used to be when you purchased a CD or software or a book. You got to own the book and to use it and to transfer that book to someone else. But now, you only own the MEDIA (paper if it's a book, Plastic if a CD etc.) and the INFORMATION on that media is only given to you to use under the myriad terms of the license agreement. Use as long as you owned the book is gone. Now the license is for a limited time. So you get to read your book or play the CD for a year and then when the license runs out you the device quits or a minimum it becomes illegal to use it. You simply then have to purchase a NEW license for an additional year! And keep doing that EVERY year until you are no longer interested in the intellectual property! Shouldn't the creator be able to make a profit from others using their work? Of course, it's only "sensible"! Of course the public does have a say in all this and they can vote with their wallets. All this nasty greed is killing the goose that laid the golden egg and is the motor behind the "open source" copyright movement. These product are actually copyrighted but licensed in such a way that prohibits the usual copyright restrictions. Smart. And oh, by the way, Congress was not about to let others act without jumping on the greed bandwagon and has extended copyright law to such an extent that the next revision will be to ban all public domain works forever. The payments to the copyright holders will continue on through estates of the dead long after the original author or artist is worm food. You know that Mozart and Beethoven had relatives and his descendants should all deserve cut of their genius! It's only sensible. As for me this is being posted from Firefox and Ubuntu. Screw the greedy *******s. |
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Secret trade agreement will require searches of laptops, MP3 players, and cellphones at airports
On Sat, 31 May 2008 23:55:05 -0400, Larry wrote:
In article , richard wrote: On Sun, 01 Jun 2008 03:20:05 GMT, "Bill Cunningham" wrote: What about the Fair use doctrine? Digital rights management is the bad thing. Bill Precisely. M$ has declared itself the watchdog of the industry and now insists that simply because you use it's products, YOU must have a license. No license? You're screwed. Wait, a company that creates something gets to decide how the product is used? SHOCKING! M$ did not create the music. The program now includes a protective device known as DRM that says, "no license, no listen". That sir, is illegal. I refuse to use that program on that basis. Even though you have legally obtained that music. You have obtained it pursuant to your license with them. You don't have an absolute right to use it however you want. Yes I do. As long as it is in the privacy of my own home and for personal use. I can't even play a WMA file on winamp simply because I have no license. DRM ain't about rights, it's about kickbacks and making money. Wait, a company that creates something gets to make money from letting others use it? SHOCKING! The license agreement is nothing more than a moneymaking scam for a certain few and you know damn good and well the artists aren't getting a dime of it. |
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Secret trade agreement will require searches of laptops, MP3 players, and cellphones at airports
"Larry" wrote in message ... In article , richard wrote: On Sat, 31 May 2008 23:14:02 -0400, Larry wrote: In article , richard wrote: On Sat, 31 May 2008 16:57:40 -0700 (PDT), wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Co...rade_Agreement More wikipedia bull****. The United States copyright laws already give consumers certain rights to enjoy music as they see fit for their own personal use. Copyright laws do not in any way protect the end user, Richard. They protect the owner of the copyright. Larry, you are not an expert in the field. I never claimed to be. I do, however, know much more about the law than you do. There are clauses in the copyright laws which give the end user certain "rights" to enjoy that music as they see fit. I find it humorous that you make this claim, since you've repeatedly demonstrated that you can't - or won't - read statutes. Can you cite me a "right" given to music listeners in federal copyright law? Provide the cite he 17USC107 Fair use and all that it means. |
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Secret trade agreement will require searches of laptops, MP3 players, and cellphones at airports
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Larry wrote: States routinely achieve extraditions in these circumstances by agreeing not to ask for the death penalty. Problem solved. After, of course, an appropriate amount of blustering for the cameras about how these other countries shouldn't pry into our business lest anyone suggest the prosecutor is Soft On Crime. |
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